It's interesting that in US courts Apple wins and in Europe their preliminary position is to side with Nokia (and probably will win in Europe).
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Judge Rules in Apple's Favor in Patent Lawsuit Filed by Nokia
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As of 2007:
Domestic-vs-domestic: infringement 23% of the time
Domestic-vs-foreign: infringement 25% of the time
Foreign-vs-foreign: infringement 15% of the time
Foreign-vs-domestic: too few cases to be statistically significant.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are tired of the huge amount of work generated by the snowballing of these patent suits.
The snowball has got to hit the bottom of the hill sometime, right?
It's interesting that in US courts Apple wins and in Europe their preliminary position is to side with Nokia (and probably will win in Europe).
The last case mentioned is also in the US so it is 1-1 on US soil.
Really hoping that nokia gets its ass kicked, they lately can't make a damn phone that doesn't crash or has to be replaced 10 times
Nokia+Microsoft deal just might get a lot bitter
Nokia+Microsoft deal just might get a lot bitter
That lawsuit was filed in Delaware, and is about royalties owed Nokia by Apple for ten patents related to GSM and WiFi. It has yet to be decided.
The ITC appeal and decision is a different action, and was an attempt to ban import of Apple devices into the USA from China.
Y'all do realize this all started because Apple refused to pay jacked-up royalty rates to Nokia when everybody else was paying a much lower rate on the same patents. If Nokia would just settle for what they were getting off of everybody else, there'd be no problems.
My recollection it that Nokia get a percentage and Apple didn't want to pay a percentage because their phone sells for much more and thus it would cost them more than people selling cheap phones.
Everybody else making GSM phones had lower payments to each other, in exchange for sharing their patents. Obviously Nokia would love Apple to do the same.
However, Apple doesn't want to share their patents. Which is understandable, but that obviously infers having higher payments. It's either one or the other.
In any case, Nokia has asked a jury to decide what is a fair payment.
Btw, if Apple ends up having to pay a billion dollars in back payments to Nokia, watch for the other GSM patent sharing members to jump in as well, starting with Sony-Ericsson. One of the reasons that Apple makes so much more profit, is because they haven't been paying for the use of the base technology.
If the allegations are correct and Apple is infringing on Nokia's patents without paying, then Apple needs to pay. What users think of the iPhone or of Nokia's current products is irrelevant.
If this were the other way around-- Nokia being sued by Apple for patent infringement-- this forum would be blindly calling for Apple to "give 'em hell" in court.
Just because this is a pro-Apple forum doesn't mean Apple is above the law.
If this were the other way around-- Nokia being sued by Apple for patent infringement-- this forum would be blindly calling for Apple to "give 'em hell" in court.
Just because this is a pro-Apple forum doesn't mean Apple is above the law.
I don't understand all this hate against Nokia. They are a decent company making some good solid phones. Perhaps their smartphones as nor in par with the iphone or the droids but they are certainly trying.
To be honest I don't think there is anyone here naive enough to think that apple have not ripped some of their ideas... But should this be actionable? Perhaps it would be better for them to sit down and work things out...
...or maybe i'm the one being naive
I had a Nokia N-Gage QD right before I bought the first iPhone on release. I've upgraded my iPhone each year, but sometimes I still miss my N-Gage. I think it would be cool to see a new N-Gage model running WP7.
Weren't the patents listed in the ITC case different to the patents in the court case? I seem to recall there being 10 or 15 in the court case but the ITC case ruling is 5 out of 7. 2 remain with no ruling.
Lost in the shuffle is that Apple lost the preliminary round in its countersuit against Nokia for violating Apple's touch screen, etc. patents.
I think ultimately that lawsuit might be of more importance to Apple than paying some money to Nokia. That's the one to watch, along with Apple's lawsuit against HTC for its use of the Google Android OS.
Those patent lawsuits have more major implications for future competing products. All Nokia wants is money. Apple doesn't even want money, they want to crush HTC and limit Nokia's ability to put out competitive products.
I think ultimately that lawsuit might be of more importance to Apple than paying some money to Nokia. That's the one to watch, along with Apple's lawsuit against HTC for its use of the Google Android OS.
Those patent lawsuits have more major implications for future competing products. All Nokia wants is money. Apple doesn't even want money, they want to crush HTC and limit Nokia's ability to put out competitive products.
I would resist the urge to count your chickens before they hatch.
As far as I can tell, none of these cases are anywhere near finalized...
Kodak vs. Apple
Apple vs. HTC
Nokia vs. Apple
Apple vs. Nokia
If Apple wins the HTC case, the next big one might be, hmm Google itself?
Now THAT would be the mother of all legal battles!
I'd be popping popcorn forever for that one! LOL
I don't understand all this hate against Nokia. They are a decent company making some good solid phones. Perhaps their smartphones as nor in par with the iphone or the droids but they are certainly trying.
To be honest I don't think there is anyone here naive enough to think that apple have not ripped some of their ideas... But should this be actionable? Perhaps it would be better for them to sit down and work things out...
...or maybe i'm the one being naive
You're completely right. Unfortunately MR is filled with insecure Apple-zealots that think SJ invented the Sun.
I've owned Nokia phones since GSM phones became affordable, and Nokia was one of the companies that effectively brought mobile phones to the masses - by their involvement in the GSM standard, as well as the high quality phones they made (at low cost). Even today much of the 2nd and 3rd world (who can't afford a year's salary on an iPhone) use Nokia phones.
Fast-forward anno 2010, Nokia has a directionless smartphone business in a crowded marketplace, and their Ovi-concept is ludicrous. I pity the poor business decisions that Nokia made in getting to where they are now. But the blind fan-boyism that pervades these forums gives Apple product users a bad name.
The concept behind Ovi is fine. It's the execution that is ludicrous. Most of Ovi has come about by buying up disparate backend businesses like Navteq, On2/Loudeye and others and trying to fit them together. Just on a technical level, it's a mish-mash of differing back end technologies inherited from whoever they bought but then you've got to fit them in with Nokia's largely open source philosophy.
Over the years, they've wasted technological leads in Ovi that they had. Ovi Files for instance was easily better than DropBox or BacktomyMac but it was badly marketed and left to wither and then dropped. Ovi Share (kind of like Flickr) is similarly for the cut. It's telling when Symbian^3 dropped Ovi's own 'ShareOnline' feature for instantly publishing photos/videos straight to Ovi Share.
But did the guy responsible for Ovi get the chop when they got a new CEO, no, he got promoted.