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Are we a free country, or a communist chattel? Why is a judge dictating what a company can do with its own product?
Or do you want Apple having more access to everything you have than you? Or do you support company handing over location data of suspects without jurisdiction procedure and prosecute random people without consequences?

Oh, I see. You have no idea what “free” actually mean.
 
On this site people seem happy when rulings go against Apple.

Personally I am happy to have Apple handle payments for apps. I don’t want to have to turn over my credit card information to 20 different apps and be worried about data breaches all the time. Also I trust Apple more to refund me for issues than random developers.
This whole ruling merely offers “choice” which didn’t exist before, rather than “mandating you to use external payment system”. You still have your choice to hand over payment information exclusively to Apple.
 
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When the government starts to interfere with the private sector… Beware!

Also, I can foresee a flood of alternate payment methods and a dramatic increase in fraud.
It seems like a good thing, but just wait and see.
 
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On this site people seem happy when rulings go against Apple.

Personally I am happy to have Apple handle payments for apps. I don’t want to have to turn over my credit card information to 20 different apps and be worried about data breaches all the time. Also I trust Apple more to refund me for issues than random developers.
Nobody is forcing you to give your credit card to anyone. Don't want to, then use another app.

Also, it's pretty easy to get a credit card refund. Just tell your bank it wasn't approved, and they'll reverse it.

I bet most apps - especially small ones - won't ask for a credit card. The security requirements on their end are too high... they'll use a third party payment service such as paypal which won't let the app have access to your account.
 
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This whole ruling merely offers “choice” which didn’t exist before, rather than “mandating you to use external payment system”. You still have your choice to hand over payment information exclusively to Apple.
Is their product, they spent tons of $$$ on R&D and keep spending it in hosting.
Their cut is what supports the AppStore and all its related expenses.
So some moron payment system is going to get free business from an AppStore they don’t spend a penny hosting?

Something is definitely not right…
 
What are ‘reasonable rates’? And why can’t a company let the market decide? if people don’t want to use an iPhone they can buy Android? And since when do ‘reasonable’ rates apply in business? Have you looked at what interest rates credit card companies charge? I just don’t think your argument holds any water. It is irrational. And it completely ignores market realities. Please, but an Android. Costco only accepts Visa cards. Is that illegal too?
Can you guys just stop this “free market” arguments? Absolute freedom is a hoax and doesnt event exist in nature. Absolute free market is ripe for price gauging, intentional hoarding and vague descriptions etc.

Oh wait, you want Apple to charge iPhone 13 Pro Max 128GB for $1299 today, and $1899 next quarter because “hey guys, we are out of stock atm, so let’s just raise the price for no reason”.

Guess people in certain regions will have an extra hard time understanding what “freedom” means. A navy seal once said “self-discipline brings freedom”. Just throw this out there.
 
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The refusal to stay was probably not that surprising. Granting this would be like the judge admitting that she made a mistake in her initial judgement.
 
Apple has to allow third party developers to communicate that they can get better prices outside the App Store, and has to allow links to websites where you can get those prices. All the rest of the relief Epic asked for was denied.

This means Epic is not allowed to do what it tried to do (have in app purchasing go to its own payment processing), isn’t allowed to be an App Store itself, etc.

It’s also not clear, but there are reasons to believe, that the judge would allow apple to demand a percentage of any out-of-IAP purchases - apple could accomplish this by amending the developer agreement, adding an audit provision, etc.
Hence all efforts now on preventing the disastrous sideloading flood. IMHO surprisingly Craig did a better job than Tim on that subject.
 
On this site people seem happy when rulings go against Apple.

Personally I am happy to have Apple handle payments for apps. I don’t want to have to turn over my credit card information to 20 different apps and be worried about data breaches all the time. Also I trust Apple more to refund me for issues than random developers.
The thing is, you might not want to, but there might people who do, and allowing you to do that won't sacrifice your need, you can still pick Apple if you wish.

It's a case of "won't harm" anyone (but Apple) to allow you to pay with another system.
 
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It’s also not clear, but there are reasons to believe, that the judge would allow apple to demand a percentage of any out-of-IAP purchases - apple could accomplish this by amending the developer agreement, adding an audit provision, etc.
The judge also slapped Apple down for having excessively high fees.

My reading on that is if Apple wants to keep their 30% fee, then they have to prove developers are willing to pay it by allowing developers an alternative where they don't pay such high fees.

The judge left it up to Apple to decide what their reworked business model is - but at the same time if the new one is anti-competitive (such as having very high fees) it will mean a fresh lawsuit and harsher restrictions likely to come from it.
 
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Is their product, they spent tons of $$$ on R&D and keep spending it in hosting.
Their cut is what supports the AppStore and all its related expenses.
So some moron payment system is going to get free business from an AppStore they don’t spend a penny hosting?

Something is definitely not right…
Yes, Apple spent lots of money for R&D etc, to maintain such system and I am sure few if any would argue Apple should not earn their own cut.

However, for businesses that merely uses app as a portal for online service or whatever, should Apple still get a cut outside of app hosting fee? Why I spend so much time gathering my customer base outside of App Store and Apple wants to get 30% cut just because? This is a rather grey area where no clear distinction can be made. Rather than making the world BLACK AND WHITE, this ruling opens the means for certain business to gain their legitimate revenue that has nothing to do with Apple.
 
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This is the second dumbest thing I’ve read this week. You don’t think that pissing off all their developers and customers might be bad for business?
They have the power tho. They don’t have to provide the store. This is like telling Kroger they have to allow people to pay Meijer instead of Kroger for the goods in their store.
 
In-app purchasing (with Apple’s IAP) will, no doubt, be destroyed.
Not if Apple will go the same route as Google: still charge a fee minus a few percentage points resulting in no change in cost for the developer.

Everyone was so focused on getting the rights to allow external payments thinking that it would let them avoid the Google and Apple fees, without actually making sure that that would be the case.

They were being outflanked.
 
Apple has to allow third party developers to communicate that they can get better prices outside the App Store, and has to allow links to websites where you can get those prices. All the rest of the relief Epic asked for was denied.

This means Epic is not allowed to do what it tried to do (have in app purchasing go to its own payment processing), isn’t allowed to be an App Store itself, etc.

It’s also not clear, but there are reasons to believe, that the judge would allow apple to demand a percentage of any out-of-IAP purchases - apple could accomplish this by amending the developer agreement, adding an audit provision, etc.
So is there anything preventing Apple demanding a greater cut of out-of-IAP purchases? Like 50%?
 
Considering how long Apple has had a target on its back regarding their App Store practices, and frankly how much resources they have, it's very telling that after all this time, they were still unable to put forth more compelling arguments to plead their case.
 
Unless I'm mistaken, Apple does not take a cut for services and goods, and Uber falls under this category, which is why they use Braintree/Paypal.
Why does Apple choose not to take a cut for services and goods? They host the apps in the store and the apps are key to the service provided. Seems an arbitrary distinction on Apple's part. Those apps have no problems with external payment systems and most even accept Apple Pay. Apple has no problems supporting payment systems in those apps where they don't get a cut.

Basically it is a business decision. Apps that compete with what Apple does, such as games and digital media delivery get the 30% tax. Apps that don't compete, don't get taxed at all. The argument that Apple needs to charge the 30% tax to support their business is sort of negated by the large number of apps they support that pay them no money at all and still collect money from their users. On the surface this looks like deliberately targeting for extra costs their direct competitors, something that may get the governments annoyed.
 
This whole ruling merely offers “choice” which didn’t exist before, rather than “mandating you to use external payment system”. You still have your choice to hand over payment information exclusively to Apple.
But what does this choice get me, the consumer? What is the benefit to me?

im probably going to pay the same price regardless of which link I chose to pay with so what benefit do I get from all of this?
 
When the government starts to interfere with the private sector… Beware!

Also, I can foresee a flood of alternate payment methods and a dramatic increase in fraud.
It seems like a good thing, but just wait and see.
I worked in the payments sector for years. Exactly this.

One reason I choose apple ecosystem is the centralised payment system. I have been screwed several times before with difficult to cancel or manage subscriptions.

I will not purchase or use any apps which do not use it. In fact I’d like more things to be well controlled. Things like eHarmony are completely out of control and are shysters and frauds and should be used as a counter example.
 
But what does this choice get me, the consumer? What is the benefit to me?

im probably going to pay the same price regardless of which link I chose to pay with so what benefit do I get from all of this?
What happens now is if you go to the developers website you may get a selection of different pay options than what Apple allows in their apps. I always look for that and I have saved a lot of money over paying through the app itself. Difference is I have to hunt for the website to go through. It would be nice if that info was in the app.
 
What happens now is if you go to the developers website you may get a selection of different pay options than what Apple allows in their apps. I always look for that and I have saved a lot of money over paying through the app itself. Difference is I have to hunt for the website to go through. It would be nice if that info was in the app.
But where’s the evidence that it will be cheaper?
 
So… Apple will need to get the money they will lose in an other place… like changing the $100.- from developer yearly subscription to double it and from others services like that.

I build a PWA for this kind of taxes and have the hands on my Apps without having each time to ask to daddy if my app follow his rules…

The only thing I use inside from Apple is Apple Pay for the people who want use it but if not enough people use it after a year I don’t see why I should continue to pay the developer account than a simple commission on stripe!
 
Laws, yes. Laws are meant to control bad behavior. Nothing Apple is doing here is bad, or anti-competitive, or stifling innovation. This is a case of the law punishing hard work and innovation.
No this is about the court denying Apple to deny its user freedom of choice trough freedom of information.
 
No this is about the court denying Apple to deny its user freedom of choice trough freedom of information.
Can app developers not provide this information via other means like a website or advertising campaign?
 
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