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Epic started this whole thing with external payment methods and all Apple fanboys were so confident.
Yet, Epic won the battle
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Judge Says Apple Has Until December 9 to Make App Store Change Letting Developers Link to Alternate Payment Methods
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Epic started this whole thing with external payment methods and all Apple fanboys were so confident.
Yet, Epic won the battle
A oak chair and an oak bookshelf both contain oak, but they’re fundamentally different right? Ok, you can do a little more with a chip, but the principle is the same. The end product is what ultimately distinguishes it’s use, not it’s nuts and bolts.
Which is why discussion on MR is sad. ( And yet they dominate the discussion ) You have people who cant understand the basic like they could still use Apple Pay.
So do I. However most other peoples entire lives are stored on their phone.
Buying an item from a website IS a walled garden (for the most part). Whereas (even currently) Apps have the opportunity to access other data stored on your device.
Open up sideloading and you think that Amazon, Google, Facebook or other data mining companies will not try to use it to their advantage under the guise of "in order to serve you better"?
I've said it in another thread. But if a developer wants to go that direction and leverage off-app sales I think they should lose all product placement in the App store and rely soley on their own marketing unless are willing to a hefty sum for Pay-per-click visibility in the store.
Bottom line:
You will have the choice, pay Apple or pay the developer directly.
You will have the choice, pay Apple or pay the developer directly.
Not every change has to benefit all parties. This one benefits developers and businesses more than customers. You get to just do whatever you did before without feeling any change.
But not of those devs decide to only use their own payment system.
And then parental control goes out the window.
They can make the case that features like this is what customers expect and paid for and it will require extra work.
Devs with established robust payment system can choose to go through external payment and bypass that 30% fee, also, devs are either part of a business or a business themselves.
Do we know for sure an external payment option will allow them to bypass paying Apple commission? I thought the lawsuit had stipulated Apple could continue to collect commission and I presume they would do so?
It has been suggested that Apple could still collect a commission even if a developer uses a 3rd-party payment processor.
So if developers think they can completely avoid Apple's 30% fee by paying Stripe 3% instead... they might be in for a shock.
It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out in practice.
So if developers think they can completely avoid Apple's 30% fee by paying Stripe 3% instead... they might be in for a shock.
It'll be interesting to see how this all shakes out in practice.
That is the case for most purchase already, digital subscriptions go to 15% after the first year, developers making less than 1 million dollar a year, 15% ... so a big chunk is already on the 15% regime ... they just need to do the last mile on this, but in the end I think for a court it does not matter how much you take, it's the principle. The issue with that is that Apple pays for hosting / updates / new iOS releases (that the user gets for free) and they will not be compensated for that trough the AppStore business anymore. They could charge like 15 dollars for OS upgrades, but then you get a fragmented and low quality market place ... and that would be no good for either Apple or developers.
But allowing external payment processing while letting Apple keep the same fees would be plain stupid, wouldn't it? Why would the judge do it?
Well, guys, here is how google will do it. I bet, it is not what most of you expected.
developers-kr.googleblog.com
Enabling alternative billing systems for users in South Korea
Posted by Wilson White, Senior Director of Public Policy Click here to read this post in Korean The South Korean government recently passe...
I dunno. Ask the judge.
But let's be clear... Apple's 30% was never just for payment processing. It is the "everything" fee.
So moving one small part of the fee elsewhere wouldn't cancel out the rest of the fee.
Developers can pay Stripe or PayPal their 3%... but Apple could collect 12% or 27% if they wanted to.
And then the App Store would be running pretty close to or maybe below break even.
Break even seems to be somewhere between 10% and 15%.
Don't forget that each paying app needs to support 5 or 6 free apps.
Most developers (90% or so) already pay 15%, but most developers is not most of the money. Most of the money is coming from a minority of developers making huge amounts of money, like Epic. Apple is taxing the rich.
“My opinion”
I think you are missing the point.
iPhone and iOS is more popular than Mac, exactly for this reason.
People want simplicity, safety and no complications.
You can give an iPad to child or your granny, if a scammer sends some link, most likely nothing happens. You can keep the most private things in your iOS device and most likely, it will be safe.
If t is build to use apps and concentrate on the apps, you want to.
Mac is not that way, windows is not that way, Android is not that way.
Also, consider, that if there will be multiple stores, multiple places to register and get things from, if something goes wrong, who do you deal with? It’s an Apple hardware and Apple software, Apple platform. If iOS turns junk, people will blame Apple and likely, leave the platform.
My question is, why would you choose a platform, which is build the way you don’t prefer it?
I used to be a techie, building and repairing windows machines.
But it was a constant maintenance. I grew tired of it and switched to Mac, which felt like almost no work. It was great.
When I got my first iPad, I have used computer less and less. Now I use it only for Logic X and occasional graphic design/ video editing.
Point is, that most of us, want things simple and safe. For complex, computers are better.
If there would be a toggle, like on Mac (install from known developers, or how is it called), scammers would ask users to turn it on, then could steal data, from people, who do not understand the tech.
I also understand your point, and will not blame you to disagree with me, but, I think you get the point.
Sorry for long post
Pretty sure they can't do that. Apple needs to provide the developer with the option of their own payment link, not remove the ability for the customer to choose Apple to pay.
Well, guys, here is how Google will do it. I bet, it is not what most of you expected.
Enabling alternative billing systems for users in South Korea
Posted by Wilson White, Senior Director of Public Policy Click here to read this post in Korean The South Korean government recently passe...
Thank you for this. I will highlight some key points:
"Like any business, we [Google] need to have a sustainable model to continue to improve our products while maintaining important user protections. Just as it costs developers money to build an app, it costs us money to build and maintain an operating system and app store that makes those apps easily and safely accessible by consumers.
We’ve been able to grow the Android and Google Play ecosystems by charging a fee based on purchases of digital content. This business model helps keep costs low for a wide range of device makers and developers. It’s a model that works.
Google Play’s service fee covers more than simply payment processing, including a range of distribution, development, and security services."
And here's the most interesting part... developers who were paying 15% will have the fee reduced to 11%... but then they'll be paying 3% to a 3rd-party external payment processor.
So after all that... it's still basically 15% in the end. Only now the developers will have to deal with collecting payments, accounting, and taxes from external payment processors, in addition to Google Play, if they go down this route.
I suspect Apple will follow a similar plan as Google here.
In short... using a 3rd-party payment processor is not a "Get Out Of All Fees" card.
Apple/Google will still get theirs.
The 30% (15% for most) is not for payment processing. It is for use the developer tools, platform, and access to Apple's >1 billion customers in a world-wide curated store in 40+ languages where Apple does some promotion and customer relations.
Payment processing is thrown in for free.
One thing that makes the store work and an attractive place for Apple's customers is lots of free apps, >80% is free.
Apple is taxing the rich developers to pay for this.
Developers like Epic don't want to pay those taxes because they are used to subsidize their small developer competitors.
And because they are big companies, with lots of employees so they don't need the Apple for payment processing, customer relations, promotions etc. They can do that themselves better and cheaper.