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Jury Finds Both Apple and Samsung Guilty of Patent Infringement, Samsung to Pay $119.6 Million, Apple to Pay $158,400

MattyW said:
It is it's 100,000,000,000$

These companies {not just Samsung} Apple, Google, Microsoft, Samsung exct are just way to big and have so much money that it's terrifying. :D
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I don't see why they are this rich and it takes them 3-5 weeks to deliver a Mac Pro. Doesn't make any sense, at all!
 
Dmunjal said:
You do realize that Samsung already sells connected TVs and smartwatches and Apple doesn't?
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A reminder that this was Samsung's best "smart"phone before the iPhone launched:

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Crosscreek said:
3 winners.
Apple for the patent infringement and reputation.
And the lawyers on both sides that get the big checks. :rolleyes:
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How is this a win for Apple? $120 million (will be slightly higher in a moment) is not a punishment for company that spends that without blinking. This is like me or you getting a speeding ticket for going 10 mph faster than the posted speed limit and then going back to work the same day.
And people don't care about the outcome other than us geeks. Your average person did not even know that Apple was suing Samsung.
 
On the lines of Samsung's patent infringements upon the iPhone's features....


I felt the same exact way about Microsoft copying the Mac OS look and feel...and the GUI...and they "got away" with it too, to this day....they are still in business and still producing and shipping Windows, which is for all purposes a rip off the Macintosh operating system environment.
 
apolloa said:
Need a hell of a lot more then that buddy, it tells us nothing about what was licensed, what parts of what Palm made Apple licensed. See if you can answer my question as it would be interesting to know.



and.....erm...... I have no idea what to make of the post above????? Nice picture perhaps??
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I don't believe it was disclosed. Are you more inclined to say they licensed other patents yet still stole multitasking? Silly.
 
WardC said:
On the lines of Samsung's patent infringements upon the iPhone's features....


I felt the same exact way about Microsoft copying the Mac OS look and feel...and the GUI...and they "got away" with it too, to this day....they are still in business and still producing and shipping Windows, which is for all purposes a rip off the Macintosh operating system environment.
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And MacOS was a ripoff of Xerox Star. When does this stop?
 
Avalontor said:
According to you Apple is a convicted copycat too. You read the part how Apple infringed on Samsung, right?
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I thought the same thing haha. Somehow everyone on here just skims over the part that Apple was found to have infringed as well.

Instead of litigating and remaining stagnant and in the past, Apple needs to innovate and implement new products and services at an increased rate continually so that companies like Samsung and others don't have the time to imitate and get a foothold.

All of that is easier said than done though, obviously.
 
This of course isn't about money. It sets a wrong precedent that BS patents can continue to be filed and used as a basis to stifle competition. Microsoft and Apple seem to be champions of litigation now that innovation seems to be running dry.

A US District Judge had this to say about the other Patent Troll Rockstar's (of which Apple is a major investor) case against Google :

Google and Apple’s rivalry in the smartphone industry is well-documented. Apple’s founder stated that he viewed Android as a “rip off” of iPhone features and intended to “destroy” Android by launching a “thermonuclear war." Defendants' litigation strategy of suing Google customers is consistent with Apple's particular business interest... This 'scare the customer and run' tactic advances Apple’s interest in interfering with Google’s Android business.
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Apple for all practical purposes, even if by proxy, are now in the same league as Microsoft - The league of Patent Trolls.
 
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Good, hopefully both companies can move on. Apple can continue to innovate, Samsung can continue to copy.
 
gnasher729 said:
Since MacOS X had notifications ten years before Android existed, what makes you think Apple copied Android and not MacOS X?
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While I agree with you. One could argue that every graphical OS in existence is copied. Even though Apple had notifications in OS X, they failed to integrate it into iOS until after the competition. I don't think they "copied", they just addressed a need somewhat late.

Better notifications should have been integrated by iOS 3 since this was a "phone" with email, texts, calls, and a growing number of apps.
 
Amacfa said:
I don't believe it was disclosed. Are you more inclined to say they licensed other patents yet still stole multitasking? Silly.
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No, my question is not about multitasking, it is about the swipe the card up of the screen to close the app, which is taken straight from WebOS, I want you to post the license or patent Apple has that covers this.
 
Dmunjal said:
You do realize that Samsung already sells connected TVs and smartwatches and Apple doesn't?
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Smartwatch? were can i find one:eek: or u mean Galaxy Gear? that's not a smart watch:mad:

You do realize he said iTV AS SMART TV not a 20 year old TV?
 
"Apple and Samsung are locked in a bitter struggle for dominance of the $330 billion worldwide smartphone market. Samsung has become the leader of the sector with a 31 per cent share after being an also-ran with just 5 per cent in 2007. Apple, meanwhile, has seen its market share slip to about 15 per cent from a high of 27 per cent three years ago."

- Associated Press
 
What have we learned:

1) Patents offer little to no protection once your company reaches a certain level. $120 Million is nothing to Samsung/Google. Subtract Apple's legal fees and the time its executive staff was held up on this (that could have been spent exploring or launching new product development) – it might not even be breakeven.

2) "Investing" in patents – as in, spending billions to acquire patent portfolios ala Rockstar Consortium Inc. – will never pay for itself.

3) Blatantly violating the law and shamelessly copying the market leader is an effective way to gain marketshare. Samsung traded legal costs now for marketshare leadership in Android devices. Its competitors will spend years catching up, if they ever do.

4) Apple really didn't have a choice in not suing the way the screwed up patent system works. Their actions are at least a deterrent to other copiers.

My opinion: Patent law is so utterly broken and abusive that we really should just abandon the concept. Whether you have a patent that lasts 14 years or 20 years, everything ends up copied at some point, even inadvertently. It would be a greater benefit to society to stop patent trolls now than to reward the innovators infringement damages, because these trials aren't really showing much of a reward for anyone. Apple's first-mover advantage on the iPhone was much greater to them than any legal protection garbage will ever be.

Copying only gets you so far. Innovating is deeper than that and requires some foresight, but can get you so much further than copying.
 
WardC said:
Oh, and what about the multitouch? I thought Apple had a patent on this technology.
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Naw. Multitouch has been around since the 70's, and the Prada, which had a capacitance based multitouch screen, beat the iPhone to the market by a couple of months. Hell, Apple wasn't even the first to display pinch-to-zoom.

There's so much prior art for multitouch, it'd be a travesty if any one company managed to score a patent for it.
 
I don't get it. Aren't a lot of the features Apple sued over part of Android, which was developed by Google, NOT Samsung?

Why is Apple suing Samsung instead of Google?

Pretty much all Android phones use some variety of "slide to unlock" and some of the other features Apple is suing over. Samsung is just using Google's product; shouldn't Google be the liable party?
 
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