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I just love seeing this. It never gets old. Because it doesn't handle computing tasks like a typical computer (local storage file access, buggy software, bad battery life, constant updates of software and drivers, PORTS!) it must be a toy.

What year is this? 1995? Drivers? Bad battery life??? I don't know what kind of "typical computers" have you been using lately (PCs with Windows maybe?) but I don't have those problems on my Macs.

I have an iPad Pro and while it is a really nice tablet, I still think it's mostly a toy because the only thing it does best is entertainment. I've been trying using it for work but it's either impossible (because there are no apps) or very inefficient compared to a laptop.
 
I just love seeing this. It never gets old. Because it doesn't handle computing tasks like a typical computer (local storage file access, buggy software, bad battery life, constant updates of software and drivers, PORTS!) it must be a toy.

The future of computing leaves all of that crap behind. Sure there are certain professions that need access to software that the iPad cannot handle, and for them it isn't the best option. But for the vast majority of users, the iPad Pro is more than capable of being a complete computer replacement.

Calling it a toy just because it doesn't handle tasks like a traditional pc is a bit short sighted.

It certainly isn't a toy for me - I use it daily for my paid work. The pencil and sketching apps [not available on PC or Mac] have transformed the way I work.
 
What year is this? 1995? Drivers? Bad battery life??? I don't know what kind of "typical computers" have you been using lately (PCs with Windows maybe?) but I don't have those problems on my Macs.

I have an iPad Pro and while it is a really nice tablet, I still think it's mostly a toy because the only thing it does best is entertainment. I've been trying using it for work but it's either impossible (because there are no apps) or very inefficient compared to a laptop.

Yes I was referring to a Windows machine since we are comparing it to a SP4. Yes, Macs eliminate all of those issues.

There are many professionals who do real work on an ipp. Just because it's not ideal for your workflow doesn't mean it's a toy.
 
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I like the how Microsoft made their pencil connect to the SP4 and also that it has an eraser. The Apple Pencil seems like an afterthought and really know creativeness that Apple used to be known for. I also like that my SP4 has a kickstand, which sounds like it would be no big deal, but it really comes in handy and can be adjusted a number of ways.

I do like my new iPad Pro 9.7, but I think Apple has lost a lot of there creativity, as nothing they have come up with in there recent iPads are really gamechangers, just incremental upgrades. And anything they have added, like the pencil or keyboard is just catching up to their competition and really not even improving upon it. Hate saying that as I am an Apple Fanboy, but seems like it is the truth.
 
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I like the how Microsoft made their pencil connect to the SP4 and also that it has an eraser. The Apple Pencil seems like an afterthought and really know creativeness that Apple used to be known for.

I have used Wacoms since the 90s. They are still the tool of choice when it comes to pro use, but I never used the eraser side and can't recall anyone else doing so either.

The great thing about the Pencil is that Apple chose to simulate the weight, dimensions and feel of a real pencil. It immediately evokes a feel of familiarity, especially for us who grew up before the digital age. Even back then we didn't use the eraser tip. We preferred having a separate eraser, different types of them too.

Digital-wise, it's more nature to draw a line through, scribble out, or write over any text you want to replace. When you do that with Myscript Stylus or Notes Plus it feels so natural that it makes handwriting fun.

What the Pencil needed was wireless charging. This will come, maybe the technology doesn't yet fit in thin cylinder forms.
 
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Honestly I love the device but after using it for 4 months now it really is more of a toy and definitely not a pro device. The os is annoying in many ways, like trying to transfer files or saving files which should be a simple task. Battery was good for the first month, now it's down to 2 hours, and takes over 4 hours to charge. They have a lot of work to do with this machine.
 
I like the how Microsoft made their pencil connect to the SP4 and also that it has an eraser. The Apple Pencil seems like an afterthought and really know creativeness that Apple used to be known for. I also like that my SP4 has a kickstand, which sounds like it would be no big deal, but it really comes in handy and can be adjusted a number of ways.

I do like my new iPad Pro 9.7, but I think Apple has lost a lot of there creativity, as nothing they have come up with in there recent iPads are really gamechangers, just incremental upgrades. And anything they have added, like the pencil or keyboard is just catching up to their competition and really not even improving upon it. Hate saying that as I am an Apple Fanboy, but seems like it is the truth.

Considering how well the pencil works with the iPad Pro, I'd hardly describe it as an afterthought. If by "catching up to the competition" you mean, creating one of the best styluses on the market with their first release - I agree.
 
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The Surface has a desktop OS, but that doesn't mean it's suitable for all "Pro's" either. To realistically use all those Pro apps, you still need an external monitor, keyboard and mouse - using Photoshop on a 12" screen is pretty lame. Plus the Surface is nowhere near as fast as a desktop machine.
The whole point of a hybrid is that you have option using a keyboard and mouse with no set up issues. 12.3" screen is smallish, but surface can drive larger monitors. With MS surface hub, you can plug the surface pro into external drives, power and monitors with one connection. Surface pro 4 is not as fast as highend desktop, but it will do many tasks smoothly, including video editing and 3d graphics.
 
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