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Just got demoted
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dynamicv said:
You're right. It feels nice not be forced into anything right now though. My resume and portfolio have collected a lot of dust in 7 years. Time to break out the Pledge.
What? Are they driving you to drink?leekohler said:Time to break out the Pledge.
Go for it Lee. This lot sound like the type of people that will only truly appreciate you when you're a competitor. September is always a good hiring time over here in the UK, so if that follows for Illinois you may find you're snapped up and having leaving drinks before you know it.
But please don't totally discard the freelancing idea. That's the only real way to get total control of your career and if your portfolio looks good enough when you've got it together you should seriously consider it. Judge it by other people's eyes rather than your own as we're always more critical of our own work.
dynamicv said:What? Are they driving you to drink?
Huh? Pledge is spray used here for dusting. It must mean something else over there.
No, I was just failing to be funny by making a pun between Pledge and the whole AA Pledge thing, but considering they now call their program the "Twelve Steps" or something, it didn't really work.leekohler said:Huh? Pledge is spray used here for dusting. It must mean something else over there.
And on top of that it was probably extremely insulting to anyone on this site who's ever had a drink problem. I'll just go hide in a corner I think
leekohler said:
great news
and no matter how good your job, or your self owned business, always keep an artist's portfolio and a current resume
even though i have had the same job for nearly two decades, (i am not an artist) i have always kept a resume and finally, last month after retiring, i actually need it
i expect any artist though usually does not have as steady a job as an accountant, secretary, or plumber, year after year, so it seems a portfolio is like an ongoing ad for artistic services
my wife is an artist and has been for 25 years and the funny thing is even though her resume is great and her education is great, it never factored in her getting a job or account...it was always the portfolio
that's why i hired her
63dot said:great news
and no matter how good your job, or your self owned business, always keep an artist's portfolio and a current resume
even though i have had the same job for nearly two decades, (i am not an artist) i have always kept a resume and finally, last month after retiring, i actually need it
i expect any artist though usually does not have as steady a job as an accountant, secretary, or plumber, year after year, so it seems a portfolio is like an ongoing ad for artistic services
my wife is an artist and has been for 25 years and the funny thing is even though her resume is great and her education is great, it never factored in her getting a job or account...it was always the portfolio
that's why i hired her
You're correct- people always ask for a portfolio first. I need to crank one out. My old one is well...old.
leekohler said:You're correct- people always ask for a portfolio first. I need to crank one out. My old one is well...old.
where you may have some favorite pieces, put it all there, at first, and see how it strikes your artist and non artist friends and get an idea of what art moves them
easy to say, but put enough work to show your talent and versatility, but not so much that it's like the equivalent of a three page resume
i have seen some great books on georgia o'keefe or peter max, but the publisher put too many similar pieces into the book and it actually took away from the artist
of course, someone like picasso has so many styles in so many mediums, that even a very large coffee table book is never boring
Congrats on getting reinstated. I'm glad everything turned out for the best for you.... I guess that means no modeling
Sounds like you need to move on from this company asap.
First demoted...oh wait, nevermind. Are the inmates running
the asylum over there? Sound like management doesn't know what they are
doing.
First demoted...oh wait, nevermind. Are the inmates running
the asylum over there? Sound like management doesn't know what they are
doing.
LethalWolfe said:If you had $$$ in the bank I'd say leave to save your sanity, but you don't so you need to gut it out. Dignity doesn't pay the rent.
I was in a similar situation late last year. Things were going sour w/the company that I was working and early this year they restructured the department which included effectively demoting me (same pay, but the move would've pushed one step farther away from the position I was going for). I kicked it around over the weekend and ultimately went w/my initial reaction, screw you guys, I'm goin' home. But my gf and I were in a financial position where I could be outta work for 4-5 months. Let me tell you it was one of the most liberating things I've done in my life. No regrets about it. I became so unhappy working there that when I left if was like a dark cloud that had been following me for months disappeared.
I hope you can find a way out sooner rather than later.
Lethal
You're right!! You should write inspirational stories! I don't even hate my job and Im gonna quit! FREEDOM!!
This thread ended up in a happy ending (for now). In this current job market, nothing is secure. I am in the very stable transportation industry (people ship in recession and booming economy) and have not gone through the firing range (yet). I have gone through the job change about 3 years ago and it was nasty. I was the one who initiated divorce from my former employer because I knew I was not valued for my work/contributions I made and business I brought to that company (I was the #1 sales rep for their north eastern USA region).
I am a believer in "not to burn bridges." But, I gave myself a grand pardon to myself and I did a slash and burn on my former employer (after I left my former employer) as I moved on a better deal with my former employer's competitor. You can gess what would happen by looking at the formal: a very productive marketing/sales executive + customers = business to my employer. I got a few legal letters from them out of spite by my former boss; my attorney and I laughed at them and sent them one letter saying there is nothing they can stop me from succeeding in my profession. That was the end of their harassment.
I think OP took the right course of actions in his situations. By giving a "mild push" to the management team, he was able to get what he wanted. Business is all about who has the winning card to play.
I am a believer in "not to burn bridges." But, I gave myself a grand pardon to myself and I did a slash and burn on my former employer (after I left my former employer) as I moved on a better deal with my former employer's competitor. You can gess what would happen by looking at the formal: a very productive marketing/sales executive + customers = business to my employer. I got a few legal letters from them out of spite by my former boss; my attorney and I laughed at them and sent them one letter saying there is nothing they can stop me from succeeding in my profession. That was the end of their harassment.
I think OP took the right course of actions in his situations. By giving a "mild push" to the management team, he was able to get what he wanted. Business is all about who has the winning card to play.
way to go on being reinstated!!
where exactly do you work and what do you do? I'm curious because I've probably heard of your business as I'm also a Chicagoan.
where exactly do you work and what do you do? I'm curious because I've probably heard of your business as I'm also a Chicagoan.
gwuMACaddict said:
to say "always" sounds naive in the real world, but i know what you are trying to say
how about "almost always find decent work"
though the economy isn't 100 percent secure or insecure, the better your marketable skills, the better chance you have at finding and retaining a job at the desired wage/salary
very few people will find that they get their ideal job in the ideal area for the ideal amount throughout their entire careers...there may be some people out there and i have met only a few
where i live there is this one mid level construction company with a work yard, about 10-15 square blocks in size with rock, lumber, gravel, etc, and there are no areas in the surrounding peninsula towns that have any commercial space large enough to fit another competitor so the construction company which has been around for many years has a virtual monopoly on the area
because of that, they are overpriced and they get away with it year after year and make great money which is generously shared with its employees
whenever a business or organization needs medium to major construction, it almost always goes to the local construction company and they may be the only business that will ever be able to boast being in business locally for 100 years
so if you have a skill, and want to start a business (especially), and you know will grow and corner a market, you will always, in a better sense than most others, have income
one local tree trimming company has also done the same as has one hospital and none of those secure businesses have ever had layoffs or downturns and are always trying to find new people in order to grow and those two are half a century old, or more, and there is no end in sight for them
one can also get pretty decent security as a highly skilled employee, too, but using your skills to be self employed and unique will not only give you the job security, but most likely make you rich
I agree, 63dot. It's my personal intention to avoid the corporate world as much as I can after I graduate. I'll probably start my own business as soon as I have to funds to do so, but working for a local business would be good too.
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scem0 said:
how is parsons going?
my wife is an sva alum and she told me, at the time, parsons, along with pratt, sva, cooper union, and rhode island school of design were the big five of the east coast in art
i also liked seeing parsons on tv on one of the fashion reality shows
-63dot
aka jefhatfield
Sorry if this sounds heartless, but I've gone through a couple pets dying of old age, and I'm wondering if you're cat is really sick and dying, why not just get it over with, and save it some pain and yourself the money, time, emotional pain?
I'm not talking about a temporary little sickness, I'm saying if you think it's on it's way out of this world.
I'm not talking about a temporary little sickness, I'm saying if you think it's on it's way out of this world.
wmmk said:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ARE jefhatfield????????????????????
yes, and i was also networkman back in 2001-02
so i am squared away with just one name now, 63dot, based on my favorite guitar...an epiphone/gibson 1963 ES-335 dot marker hollowbody electric guitar
ooh yes. those are nice. the guitarist of the band in which I play bass was looking to buy a '65 dot at the local vintage guitar shop.63dot said:yes, and i was also networkman back in 2001-02
so i am squared away with just one name now, 63dot, based on my favorite guitar...an epiphone/gibson 1963 ES-335 dot marker hollowbody electric guitar
wmmk said:
but i don't own one since they list for $2000 dollars, and that's the epiphone 63 dot reissue and with that money i can get a 20" inch imac
...i have a new 2006 ibanez 335 copy with dot markers and that lists for only $439 dollars and it's a good player's guitar
gibson's reissue dot costs nearly twice as much that the epiphone and is approaching a mac pro setup with lcd
...and a real epi dot from the 60s is five grand (equivalent of a decked out mac pro setup
) ...and a real gibson dot from the 60s is fifteen grand (and up)
...if you find a late 50s gibson dot, in a natural wood finish, with it's original non patented humbuckers, in rare plastic black and tan zebra stripe, that axe is worth well over twenty grand and you can buy apple inc and have steve jobs wash your car
well, at that point, i would put the money towards a hybrid car
MarkCollette said:
No- he's dying. I do need to do that soon. It's very sad. And thank you for saying so. I've been wrestling with it for a few weeks.