Just how far can we go?

[eyoungren]

I said something somewhat similar and got called many harsh names.

Incidentally, I agree with everything you wrote.

I think we hashed that out as to what you really meant. The other subject that came up was an entirely different thing.

I always try to get along, not that I don't have opinions, but I've been in forum communities long enough and have seen what can happen. I always try to put the value of relationships and friendships above misunderstandings. I can only speak for myself on this.

I have no quarrel with you, so if you have an opinion on the matter or anything else that comes along later, share it.

 

[eyoungren]

I remember this thread well, shocking that its six years old now!

Yeah, I was in a bad spot when I posted it. The old Quicksilver was breaking down more than it was working and despite my dedication to keeping it running it just became a source of extreme frustration. I was happy to move on to the G5s, although I've since learned to moderate my expectations for older G4 systems.

But on a larger scale, I knew even then, that the service life of any G5 for what I expect from it was going to be limited. I cannot do with my G5 Quad what it is I am doing today on my MacPro and that's simply because the programs won't run. Even now though, I know I have limited time before I will be pushed into a GPU upgrade because I need to run an app on Mojave. At least, I have that option though. I had none with the G5.

That said, it's a great thing that the baseline for the apps I use are the programs that I CAN run on the G5.

 

[Imixmuan]

I know, it's still vaporware, but...maybe a little LESS vapory and a little more ware with an actual motherboard design, and news that the Slimbook Eclipse will provide the case. But, we can dream a little dream of OpenPower goodness tonight. Even if it probably will never ever actually happen:

GNU/Linux Open Hardware PowerPC notebook - An Open Hardware project for everyone, a PowerPC Notebook for you. Join now!

 

[AL1630]

Just like the local user group I found for Commodore when I was 14 where I experienced social comradery, I've found the same here. We all share a common experience and I value the relationships I've made.

I'll always be around, it's also why I hang out in the iPhone forum even though my daily use phone is an Android. I can only hope that there is something at some point that will keep you here.

That's what I like about this forum that sets it apart from most others I'm on. There's always something interesting or an update whenever I log on, as well as a sense of community that bigger platforms like reddit just don't have.

I think no matter what, people will still be interested in PPC and what the technology can do, but unfortunately it will decline in popularity as @z970mp said. As a way to keep PPC and Intel separate so as not to clog up this forum, maybe we could be moved down into the Special Interests section with separate Intel/PPC subforums? It seems like there's enough interest in both sides to make that work.

 

[MacFoxG4]

I too have been shifting more towards Intel, though my reasons are a bit different. I bought my 2006 C2D MBP as a temporary replacement for my 1.5ghz Sawtooth during the summer months. I have since had to retire the Sawtooth due to its rust issues being worse than I thought. I discovered through using this MBP that I could do everything in Leopard on this MBP that I was doing on the Sawtooth under Leopard, but with better performance. Leopard is my favorite version of OS X, so I really like having a Mac that is good at running Leopard. I will admit that I am so impressed with the performance of this MBP, that I have less incentive to buy another Sawtooth or get a G5. Most of my OS X apps are universal binaries and were bought with Leopard compatibility in mind. With Leopard being my preferred version of OS X and my MBP currently the only working Mac I own capable of running it, I have been using it more than my PPC Macs. I've been dual booting with Linux as well and I am amazed at the results I have gotten so far. If I find the right distro I may shift most of the online stuff to Linux and use Leopard mostly for offline stuff.

I'm not abandoning PPC, rather I am rethinking what I want to do with it. I think when it comes to PPC Macs, I will focus more on classic Mac OS and early OS X rather than Leopard.

It's fun being able to get old Macs online and see how much of the modern web they can handle, but it's not the only thing I use these Macs for. I like using them for offline things too like creative writing, gaming and playing around with creative apps like Photoshop. So even when the day comes that the internet is no longer possible, or is extremely limited like it currently is on my Centris 650, on these old machines, I'll still be doing stuff like writing and playing games on them.

 

[Imixmuan]

I too have been shifting more towards Intel, though my reasons are a bit different. I bought my 2006 C2D MBP as a temporary replacement for my 1.5ghz Sawtooth during the summer months. I have since had to retire the Sawtooth due to its rust issues being worse than I thought. I discovered through using this MBP that I could do everything in Leopard on this MBP that I was doing on the Sawtooth under Leopard, but with better performance. Leopard is my favorite version of OS X, so I really like having a Mac that is good at running Leopard. I will admit that I am so impressed with the performance of this MBP, that I have less incentive to buy another Sawtooth or get a G5. Most of my OS X apps are universal binaries and were bought with Leopard compatibility in mind. With Leopard being my preferred version of OS X and my MBP currently the only working Mac I own capable of running it, I have been using it more than my PPC Macs. I've been dual booting with Linux as well and I am amazed at the results I have gotten so far. If I find the right distro I may shift most of the online stuff to Linux and use Leopard mostly for offline stuff.

I'm not abandoning PPC, rather I am rethinking what I want to do with it. I think when it comes to PPC Macs, I will focus more on classic Mac OS and early OS X rather than Leopard.

It's fun being able to get old Macs online and see how much of the modern web they can handle, but it's not the only thing I use these Macs for. I like using them for offline things too like creative writing, gaming and playing around with creative apps like Photoshop. So even when the day comes that the internet is no longer possible, or is extremely limited like it currently is on my Centris 650, on these old machines, I'll still be doing stuff like writing and playing games on them.

The right distro is MX Linux. Don't know how well it will perform or be compatible with you MBP, but on every computer I've put it on (except my MBP, which has a flaky trackpad under all distros of Linux-yours should be fine) its been stellar.

 

[bobesch]

I've switched from Win to Mac in '09 and started with Leopard & a core2duo MBP (at work a Win-Network is still mandatory)
Getting my first iBookG4 was after my 11"MBA got stolen and I was looking for a both handsome beamer-companion and something kind of virus-proof and "separate", because the beamer-companion has to swallow a lot of different USB-media. Office'04/'08, LibreOffice and PDF-software are still doing a great job now.
Then this "collecting" / "catching up missed computing history" took over. A real nice distraction in times of a mid-life-crisis. All hiding places are full now ...
My current daily driver is an early 2008 17" MBP. So, at least I'm back to the point, where I've started with a Mac in '09.
I like that MBP's style resembling the PowerBook-line and I like the bright non-glossy display. It's the machine, that is still able to do all things I need. My Jack-of-all-trades. I'm sorry, the G4-Books have their shortcomings in some critical tasks now (VPN/RDP for work; web/streaming video for daily tasks and leisure).
But the iBook as a beamer-companion is still on duty!
And besides of having the collecting-bug caught me, this is my quintessence of the matter: using just the machine capable of coping with the tasks I do need as long as possible.
My PPC still have their special niche for duties - but mostly they are used for fun or experimenting now (the few 68k Macs anyway). But!: in case of an alien-invasion and broken down internet/cloud they will serve as an independent local network - together with all my old PalmOS devices, especially the TRGpro ... (And they will be certainly able to use morse-code and send a fax by then!) 😄
So my personal "budget" state-of-the-art Mac is a Core2Duo equipped with SSD and maxed out RAM - my favorite most economical choice, that currently fit's all my needs.
And for heavy workloads the 2012 MBP is cutting edge.

I do also share the idea of having a separate "early intel" section side-by-side to the PPC-subforum, that IMHO ought to include all intel Macs with SATA-drives and RAM-slots (MBP up to 2012).

About current internet: I do agree, that it's absolutely crazy, how bloated web and expiring certificates are the main reasons for planned obsolescence of decent and capable hardware. Both mobile devices and Macs are prone to be victims of this "progress" and finally even updating an iOS device will kill connectivity to elder Mac-hardware.
When the time comes certainly an up-to-date SoC-machine might replace my current daily driver in order to cope with the demands of web and certificates. But I'm gonna try to run my "independent" old 32/64bit compatible stuff separately as long as possible and I don't believe any 2013-2020 rMBP will be part of my working environment.

 

[Macbookprodude]

I feel the sun is setting on PPC, sadly.

 

[CYB3RBYTE]

I hope they keep developing versions of PPC linux. While I know it's unlikely, I've been holding onto "the dream" of using my iMac G4 in some manner for even semi-modern document creation and web browsing. I'd like it to still be more than a useful show piece.

 

[Amethyst1]

I hope they keep developing versions of PPC linux. While I know it's unlikely, I've been holding onto "the dream" of using my iMac G4 in some manner for even semi-modern document creation and web browsing. I'd like it to still be more than a useful show piece.

@wicknix ' Lubuntu remixes are worth a look.

 

[powermi]

Even Linux versions could stop being developed, we still have the option of running openBSD.
For me the future of using powerPc is for running workflows that need a reliable and stable system and if possible combining the power of couple of systems.
for internet activity I'm happy with any MAC early Intel chip like a CORE solo or Core duo, they are reliable and cheap.
Have to say that Im using powerPc less and less but Its part of my life and gonna be with them all my time.

 

[B S Magnet]

Even Linux versions could stop being developed, we still have the option of running openBSD.
For me the future of using powerPc is for running workflows that need a reliable and stable system and if possible combining the power of couple of systems.
for internet activity I'm happy with any MAC early Intel chip like a CORE solo or Core duo, they are reliable and cheap.
Have to say that Im using powerPc less and less but Its part of my life and gonna be with them all my time.

If there was a way for openBSD to support the firewire protocol, I’d definitely install it on my PPC Macs.

 

[Imixmuan]

I hope they keep developing versions of PPC linux. While I know it's unlikely, I've been holding onto "the dream" of using my iMac G4 in some manner for even semi-modern document creation and web browsing. I'd like it to still be more than a useful show piece.

The future of PowerPC is POWER. Right now its Talos and Blackbirds and big IBM stuff, but a smaller, cheaper POWER
machine would catch my interest, but I'm not shelling out that much cash to do what I can pretty much do already on machines I already have. Make a sub$700 Power SBC or a reasonably priced POWER laptop, and I'm there. Just don't tell my wife, she would literally, not figuratively kill me if I brought another computer into the house.