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Justice Department Officially Drops Lawsuit Against Apple in Ongoing iPhone Unlocking Dispute [Updated]
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The phone in question did not have secure enclave on chip. The exploit of tricking the nand into not counting trials won't work with secure enclave. Brute force attack by guessing the four digit code is not a backdoor. FBI wanted to use this case to get Apple to create an actual backdoor so that even latest iPhones would be hackable.
Use a complex password with numbers, letters and symbols longer than 20 digits and they can let their brute force code guessing box run for 10,000 years.
Not sure why people are happy, this means an iPhones encryption was managed to be compromised surely?
Bet the FBI found nothing useful on that phone. The terrorists destroyed the two phones and hard drive from their computer that had any usable information.
The FBI director needs to be brought up on charges for perjury before senate/congress. He lied under oath, stating the FBI had no other resources to get into phone other than Apple. With over $2 million in contracts with Cellebrite, this $15,000 unlock wasn't the first time they used them. He knew it and lied.
And the FBI/Justice Department were about to go before a judge and lie that Apple was their sole way to get into the phone. Apple lawyers had raised that question, if there were no other resources to break phone lock. The whole thing was starting to unravel for the FBI. Better to use Cellebrite, as they have done before. And drop the writ against Apple. Before the lies would be exposed.
As usual, through freedom of information act, and good journalistic investigation, the lies were already being exposed. Can just here FBI director in his office, damn that constitution and bill of rights. Now how can I protect the American people?
No external threat will bring this country down. Only from within will we betray this experiment in government. Hold the people supposedly working for us accountable. Don't give up our liberties for security, for in the end we will have neither.
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Tim 1, FBI 0 (and trying REALLY hard to save face....)
Because there's no precedent set this way and Apple can patch the hole that has been found...
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A backdoor would have been a permanent thing,while the FBI just showed that no software is 100% secure (but we all knew that already) and the fact that they found a hole means that Apple will patch it and be one step closer to a safe OS, as it was / is with Jailbreak, this will become a cat and mouse game.
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How do we know Tim Cook / Apple is not lying?
Well we do know, as ALL corporations lie.
Company spokesperson should be renamed "official company liar" generally.
How can Apple patch a hole if they don't know where it is?
Basically our phones are compromised until Apple says they have found the hole.
Uh I wouldn't call this a win on Apples part. I don't understand why everyone is happy and like yay good job Apple. Apple lost! Apple flat out completely ****ing lost. They got into the phone! That means Apple has failed to provide security.
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The FBI isn't giving up the secret way in for anything. No way in hell are they going to Apple and telling them how they did it. They effectively got what they wanted and they didn't even have to deal with Apple. They won big time.
We know FBI is lying because they have been caught at it red handed.
This case was selected for it's PR value. FBI says it was only for this phone when they know their are hundreds of other writs, some already served.
FBI testified that Apple was only way. Yet Cellebrite has been used by them many many times, as the money trail proves.
I hold my elected officials and their appointees to a higher standard, as they are supposed to answer to me and you. Tim Cook answers to the shareholders. Sad that I trust Cook more than those sworn to serve me and the constitution.
They didn't say what they did though so unless Apple finds the bug themselves they won't be able to fix it.
Naw all his dick pics were stored on the phone he destroyed. This one just has his browsing history.
Not hardly. First off we don't know as of now if the exploit/device used to break the phone lock will work on latest iphones with secure enclave. And if the Cellebrite device does work, adding a complex unlock code will make it take such a long time to try all the combinations, it is fine with me if a hundred years after I die they can get into my phone.
Assuming Apple did not know about Cellebrite before, they sure do now. And I bet the Apple engineers are already hard at work figuring a way to increase security and encryption. This will be a never ending battle. My biggest fear is the American people will allow congress to enact new laws forcing companies to build in back doors.
No, they realized they were gonna lose in court and that's not an option for them. They'll be getting the laws they want passed in some other way, either though another case or just by going to congress with a bill.
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But that's not a factor here, if the FBI got in the phone that's a loss as far as I'm concerned.
I always knew the FBI was barking up the wrong tree...
They are in the lawmakers.... They did this stuff, why should they be asking a company to compel them when they obviously don't need to.... You only compel when u have "tried" The FBI didn't give any time.
Write off..... We can all go back to sleep... False alarm..
They are in the lawmakers.... They did this stuff, why should they be asking a company to compel them when they obviously don't need to.... You only compel when u have "tried" The FBI didn't give any time.
Write off..... We can all go back to sleep... False alarm..
Read the articles I linked back some posts. We know how it was done, the Cellebrite device is advertised on you tube. It's not a huge secret. Once the 10 try erase counter was circumvented the device can try every possible unlock code. With four digit code, takes a computer chip a few hours. Increase your unlock code to complex alpha numeric 20 plus digit code and they won't be able try try all the possibilities in your lifetime.
You can't make physical improvement to an existing device. We already knew that before iOS 8 and iPhone 6, the NSA, CIA had hacked the phones. Snowden documents revealed that. Stop thinking backwards, the old phones are open as a book. This is a continuing battle of better encryption followed by improved hacking followed by better encryption, etc.
Don't consider it a loss that they got into that terrorist's phone. Do you have a 5c running iOS 8? If you do increase the unlock code to a complex 20 plus alpha numeric code. I am looking for Apple to make more improvements to iOS 10 and iPhone 7.
so, i'm guessing Apple still is perusing stronger security then despite FBI got their way in the end.. ?
After all with "forensics" u can do just about anything... Even Apple cannot stop that.
Security is still strong on iOS, and Apple services, so why not just leave it "as is" ? The only means to make it more secure, was over this case.. but that is no longer an issue.
I am not going to try and remember a 20 character code for the life of me, just for security... But people in the know think that we must always be security at the front door, even though there are other barriers in place to protect us..... ok u do it your way, i'll do it mine
and if i never lose my phone every then all the security is worse nothing, since while it just help u. its not really preventing anything till it happens... Thus, we are only all just doing this "just in case"
I do have Touch ID though
After all with "forensics" u can do just about anything... Even Apple cannot stop that.
Security is still strong on iOS, and Apple services, so why not just leave it "as is" ? The only means to make it more secure, was over this case.. but that is no longer an issue.
I am not going to try and remember a 20 character code for the life of me, just for security... But people in the know think that we must always be security at the front door, even though there are other barriers in place to protect us..... ok u do it your way, i'll do it mine
and if i never lose my phone every then all the security is worse nothing, since while it just help u. its not really preventing anything till it happens... Thus, we are only all just doing this "just in case" I do have Touch ID though
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Yes. They did. A crippled OS that leaves itself open to a known exploit is a backdoor..
That's a different backdoor.