Kaspersky Lab Says Report Claiming China Hacked Apple's Former Server Supplier is Likely 'Untrue'

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    Russia-based cybersecurity company Kaspersky Lab today said that while "hardware supply chain attacks are a reality," evidence suggests Bloomberg Businessweek's report about Chinese intelligence tampering with server motherboards manufactured by Apple's former supplier Supermicro is "untrue."

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    Kaspersky Lab said the report "should be taken with a grain of salt" in its 14-page analysis of the alleged attack, obtained by MacRumors:
    Kaspersky Lab added that the language in both Apple and Amazon statements denying the Bloomberg Businessweek report are "pretty strong" and "leaves little to no chance of retractions or denials at a later time." The firm added that the statements are regulated by the SEC in the United States.

    The key part of Apple's statement was as follows:
    In a press release, Apple later said it is not under any kind of gag order or other confidentiality obligations.

    Referring to Apple's mid-2016 detection of malware-infected firmware in specific Supermicro servers that were used internally only, Kaspersky Lab said it believes it is "quite possible that the Bloomberg journalists misunderstood the incident and included it in the hardware supply chain attack story."

    The analysis said hardware-based attacks like the one alleged in the Bloomberg Businessweek report are sophisticated, difficult to implement, and expensive. "For instance, even if a server board is compromised during manufacturing, it is complicated to ensure that it finds its way to a certain target."

    The accuracy of Bloomberg Businessweek's report has been questioned by not only Kaspersky Lab, but the Department of Homeland Security, the U.K.'s National Cyber Security Centre, and NSA senior advisor Rob Joyce.

    Moreover, Apple's recently retired general counsel Bruce Sewell said he called the FBI's then-general counsel James Baker last year after being told by Bloomberg of an open investigation into Supermicro, and was told that nobody at the federal law enforcement agency knew what the story was about.

    Apple's aggressive campaign to deny the report extends to unnamed senior executives within the company. Supermicro and Amazon, also named in the report, have likewise issued strongly-worded denials of the report.

    Bloomberg Businessweek continues to stand by its reporting, and has since followed up with a second story that claims a major U.S. telecommunications company discovered manipulated hardware from Supermicro in its network and removed it in August, citing a security expert working for the telecom company.

    The original report, citing 17 unnamed sources, claimed that Chinese spies planted tiny chips the size of a pencil tip on server motherboards manufactured by Supermicro at its Chinese factories. The servers were then sold to companies such as Apple and Amazon for use in their respective data centers.

    An unnamed government official cited in the report said China's goal was "long-term access to high-value corporate secrets and sensitive government networks," but no customer data is known to have been stolen.

    The report claimed that Apple discovered the suspicious chips on the motherboards around May 2015, after detecting odd network activity and firmware problems. Two senior Apple insiders were cited as saying the company reported the incident to the FBI, but kept details about what it had detected tightly held.

    Apple dropped Supermicro as a supplier in 2016, after the incident with the malware-infected firmware updates.

    We've covered Bloomberg Businessweek's report in extensive detail over the past week, with all of our coverage available in our "The Big Hack" archive. At this point, it remains a stalemate between Apple and Bloomberg.

    Kaspersky Lab itself has faced controversy, with several reports over the last year claiming its software was compromised by Russian intelligence. Nevertheless, Motherboard said the firm "continues to have a good reputation in the industry," particularly as it relates to its ability to discover malware.

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  2. mariusignorello macrumors 65816

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    This is the Ford vs. Kavanaugh of technology. Put up proof or be done with it.

    Unnamed sources, here say and the likes are not proof.
     
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    Sure, yeah, right. I'll trust the Russians on Chinese spying! HAHAHAHAHA!

    That's like trusting Tim Cook when he says, "There are no FM radios in iPhones" during a hurricane when independent tech firms have already found the FM circuitry! :D
     
  4. Amplelink macrumors 6502a

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    Agreed. This is getting a little ridiculous!
     
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    LOL!!

    Have none of you learned, not to trust Russians??
     
  6. Scottsoapbox macrumors 6502a

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    Bloomberg needs to show some actual proof at this point.
     
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    This is the same Kaspersky Labs that was found to be sending consumer data to the former KGB right? Yeah, they’re super trustworthy.
     
  8. ArtOfWarfare macrumors G3

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    There's nothing about what they said that requires trusting them though. They raise decent points about how severe the consequences would be for all these organizations would be if they were found to be lying.

    Bloomberg has some extraordinary accusations and that requires extraordinary evidence backing it up. Instead they give you, wait for it, nothing.

    If Bloomberg wants to be believed, they're going to have give us something. What's the name of the telecommunications company that found these chips, for example? They already told us Apple and Amazon found the chips - why are they keeping this other company anonymous?
     
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    I came to make a sarcastic comment but seems I was late lol
     
  10. Analog Kid macrumors 601

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    Alternate headline: "Pot denies kettle is black".
     
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    The Russians are defending the Chinese in their alleged attacks on American (companies).

    Haha. This is rich.
     
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    I'm not defending Bloomberg on this, but as far as the identity of the telecom company, the article explicitly stated why they wouldn't name them: the Israeli guy (their sole source) was under a NDA.
     
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    I don't need a name, but someone under an NDA that isn't willing to breach it... not believable. Non-disclosure in this case would be world-shaking. This looks a lot more like equities manipulation. See who was holding a short position in Supermicro recently...
     
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    And the Israeli guy may have been shrewd and saw an opportunity for free publicity, given that he didn't actually have to give out anything specific. Who knows, perhaps his consulting gig with the telecom was pure fabrication.
     
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    I'm guessing there are some juicy lawsuits against Bloomberg in the wings.
     
  16. Rogifan macrumors P6

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    Is anybody else completely bored of this story? Apple can’t announce an event soon enough so rumor sites will have something else to write about.
     
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    Awesome, the Russian run Kaspersky labs is saying we weren't hacked. Now I'm totally buying it!
     
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    Hopefully Apple and Amazon can sue them into bankruptcy. Cook needs a new tortoise shell eyeglasses, and Bezos needs a new pair of pants.
     
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    Sue Bloomberg on what grounds?
     
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    None of this matters. & all this melodrama won't save your nations data from what's coming.
     
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    And what IS coming??
     
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    Winter is coming!
     
  23. KGB7 macrumors 6502a

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    Lol

    I get the reference.
     
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    i work in the hosting industry. not a major player, but we use SM equipment. we've had every wingnut in our customer base freaking out that their piddly north shore auto shop website is phoning home to the Chinese now. Thanks Bloomberg.
     
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    If Apple had any sense at all, they would not go anywhere near filing suit against Bloomberg.
    BB's exec and by implication their lawyers would just love to get their hands on all sorts of confidential Apple documents and the like. They'd be in rumour heaven and to hell with the fines.
    I read a book by a Law Professor a few years ago as part of my MBA. The words he said about Discovery really made me think.
    "Beware the Ides of Discovery"
    You can be compelled to turn over almost every document (paper and electronic) that exists inside the company even if it really has nothing to do with the law suit, just in case it does and ...
    There is a reason why many cases never get to trial and that is Discovery. One side will see that they basically have no chance of winning. Or that they must settle out of court or all their internal dirty linen will get read out in court and basically become public domain.
    for a company as secretive as Apple, filing suit against Qualcomm is far less risky in terms of leaks etc than it is to file again Bloomberg who are in the business of publishing 'secret and lies'
     

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