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I never would have thought the iPad would be a hit. Now look at it. The watch might end up being different but every new product everyone says it will be a flop and Apple has nailed it each time.

"ipad is just a big iPod touch", "no one will buy a bigger screen iphone like the 6+", "Sony already has an MP3 player out"

That being said I think once developers come up with clever stuff for the watch we will see it shine. Right now it does seem like a novelty...I'm gonna hold off for a year or two though as I'd like to see more health sensors in the watch.

Be careful or else people will bash you for comparing the watch to past novelty devices like a music player or ipad. Apparently, you can't reference anything in the past. ;)

I want the Apple Watch Space Gray with Space Gray Link Band but I won't pay $1100 unless some developers make game changing apps and I think that will happen sometime this year. My guess is that there is enough sensors already in the watch to develop some great workout apps.

The nicest idea about the watch to me is the ability to leave my phone anywhere in the house while I play with the kids or the dogs out in the yard and never need my phone. I work from home and our company has already integrated our email system into the iPhone so I can always be in touch with my work email no matter what I am doing.

But for now, I can't justify buying the watch I want for $1100 so I will wait awhile. Apple's marketing of all of their products gets you hooked.
 
Investment bankers only do their jobs for the money but not engineers. They walk away from millions all the time because it's not fulfilling or just too much pressure. I don't know anything about Lynch but if this Apple Watch fails, he will be exiled from the tech industry. That's not a trivial thing for a man's career no matter how much cash is waved at him.

Exiled from the tech industry sounds a tad dramatic.

From what I've seen and read Lynch seems like a mini Gates and is in it for the glory and the money. He's way past the geeky engineers stage of working for the challenge and a carton of beer.
 
Exiled from the tech industry sounds a tad dramatic.

From what I've seen and read Lynch seems like a mini Gates and is in it for the glory and the money. He's way past the geeky engineers stage of working for the challenge and a carton of beer.

Do you have a source for this?
 
The watch will do well but...

Apple needs to do two things to really make this thing take off in future iterations...

1) Better health sensors...it's already been said that they wanted more on this, but had to scrap them due to reliability. The health draw and potential is huge for this thing...but this current implementation is pretty weak.

2) Decouple from the phone. It's obvious they didn't do this because of battery life...but for a $350-1k product, I should be able to go on a run or bike ride without my phone and have accurate GPS at a minimum...throwing a cellular radio in there so you could respond to texts, calls, etc. would be huge.

When those two things come to the watch, it will be a real game changer.
 
The Apple Watch is going to be huge.

I think it's going to the 38mm and 42mm. It will take them a few revisions before they bring out the plus version.

Apple decided to make a watch and only then set out to discover what it might be good for

Translation: Apple decided to make a solution and only then set out to find the problem that it might fix. That's the antithesis of good design.
 
Those Badges or Metals are stunning, excellent design work.

I want that jellyfish as my iOS wallpaper but I hate the way iOS handles black. Folder and dock color shows up as gray when you have a black backround. I hope iOS devices eventually go OLED like the Watch.

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Wow, so much work went into such a pointless product!

If this product is so pointless why are so many smartphone makers coming out with new watches? Some are already on version 2 or 3 already. They are basically the same in what they do or what they hope to do. Apple is just the first one that really does look good (to me) and made it slightly smaller than the rest to make it not look stupid on most arms. It really does look good on the models I have seen in the fashion magazines. It's the first watch by these companies that I could see wearing with a suit or business casual. I must admit, I was a fan of the Moto 360 when it was first introduced but lost interest when I saw the size and weird blank spot at the bottom so I could lose interest in the Apple watch.

Maybe you could have said "so much work went into a product that may not even be successful".
 
Apple needs to do two things to really make this thing take off in future iterations...

1) Better health sensors...it's already been said that they wanted more on this, but had to scrap them due to reliability. The health draw and potential is huge for this thing...but this current implementation is pretty weak.

2) Decouple from the phone. It's obvious they didn't do this because of battery life...but for a $350-1k product, I should be able to go on a run or bike ride without my phone and have accurate GPS at a minimum...throwing a cellular radio in there so you could respond to texts, calls, etc. would be huge.

When those two things come to the watch, it will be a real game changer.

Totally agree with your second bullet. When that happens, it will be a huge hit - though I still think I would feel stupid talking to my wrist. :) Since it appears to use Wi-Fi to talk to your phone when at home, it doesn't sound too difficult to use any wi-fi to use the watch with voip and use Apple Cloud Services to eventually leave the phone behind at home communicating with Apple Cloud Services.
 
Lynch was immediately tasked with spearheading the group in designing a wrist-worn device that would, as Wired points out, aim to be Apple's fourth major game changer following the iPod, iPhone and iPad.

For those who can be objective (meaning not the "Apple is God" or "Apple can do no wrong" crowd), can you look at this and see it on par with iPod, iPhone and iPad? I can't. I see niche product. Many of us will buy it but there's not many of us relative to the number of buyers of iPod, iPhone and iPad.

Though some believe the odds are against Apple, Ben Bajarin, an analyst at Creative Strategies, believes the Cupertino company can, and will, pull it off. "Apple has the most profitable, high-spend customer base on the planet," he says. "That's essentially who watch companies are already trying to sell to: more affluent customers."

But is that who made the iPod, iPhone and iPad mainstream successful? I've seen all three of those products in the hands of children, of seemingly poor people, of what can look like the welfare/food stamps crowd (in fact, I just saw a lady checking text messages on a new iPhone in the grocery store line last night, paying for the groceries with a food stamp card. I can't see such people as "more affluent" as implied by Bajarin).

Personally, I think iPod was genuinely the best variation of it's functionality at the time and it hit right when the masses were ready to switch from cassettes and portable CD players to something smaller that could hold more music. Pair that with the "free unlimited music" mentality via Napster at the time and I could say iPod was probably a perfect storm/perfect timing product- probably best example of such in Apple's entire history. Gamechanger (as i define the word)? Yes!

iPhone brought huge things missing from iPod. Technology convergence ("it's an iPod and a phone and an Internet browser...") plus timing again worked well. And after Apple bent on pricing by adopting the seemingly much lower prices available within the subsidy model, the masses could move on it (and did). Gamechanger? Yes.

iPad filled some big holes with iPhone, namely by delivering a larger screen on which some of what people were trying to do on tiny iPhone screens was simply much better on an iPad screen. For some who mostly use traditional computers for (mostly) consumption of content, it could up to fully replace those traditional computers. It brought bigger screen computing to a package that weighed relatively nothing. iPad could also be a bigger iPod and has become that or is sharing that with iPhone (thus the fade of the iPod line in the last few years). Gamechanger? Yes.

What big holes does this Watch fill? As is, we're having to spin concepts like putting down aspects of one Apple product to justify this one (is it really so hard to pull the phone out of pockets? is it really inconvenient when you probably have your phone out 50+ times a day now? And if yes, where were these gripes against iPhone before there was an Apple Watch? Why do we find fault with some Apple tech only when something new from Apple has been released that needs those gripes as part of rationalizing the new?).

iPods, iPhones and iPads could be purchased by anyone and everyone, whether they owned any other product from Apple. But this iWatch is dependent on owning another product from Apple. One might say, "but everybody has an iPhone"; however that "everybody" != "everyone" in terms of real numbers.

I keep coming back to this idea of "gamechanger." As defined in this article, it implies it should be as big as iPod, iPhone and iPad. Will it be? Time will tell but from my own perspective, I just can't see it like I could easily see iPod, iPhone and iPad. It's certainly possible I've lost my (that kind of) sight but it wasn't that long ago that iPad seemed obvious for masses adoption (to me). This product seems to keep hunting for rationale, often at the expense of iPhone or in very narrow, relatively unique scenarios where it actually would be difficult to pull out the phone ("when my iPhone is inside 10 layers of clothing while I'm shoveling snow but I urgently need to receive a text" and similar sounds good... but unless you work in the arctic, how often do such atypical-to-rare scenarios really apply?).

Will it sell? Sure. Apple could launch iPoop and a bunch of us would "shut up and take my money" followed by "best iPoop ever". But I would think "gamechanger" on par with iPod, iPhone and iPad has to at least partially mean moving the masses to buy it too. And I don't perceive the masses are fashionistas or models or hollywood stars or professional sports players. Such people bought iPods, iPhones and iPads too but it was the masses that drove the bulk of the sales. And it seems "gamechanger" has to be linked to massive sales volume on some level; else one might be able to tag something popular with a slim niche market like iPod Socks as a "gamechanger" too.
 
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I still don't see what makes the sport and edition versions so vastly different as Lynch claims. From a technological point of view, they are the same product. The only difference could be screen size, which at only a 4mm difference, isn't that significant. All the other differences are cosmetic/fashion oriented. So someone who pays for the high end edition watch really has a device that functions no better than the cheapest model. Same processor, memory, sensors, etc.

Early adopters will probably have a lot of fun using the device, but I don't think the edition version is going to be any sort of status symbol. It's really going to be the apps that make the phone - and it looks like they've got some good ones lined up. I wonder if we'll see any $1,000 apps for the phone.

Like someone else posted, I'll be waiting until they get the other sensors working before I commit to the Apple Watch. I wonder if there will be some sort of trade in program or a way to purchase a watch without a band when the new versions come out. With all the people Apple hired away from other tech/health companies, I don't see why they can't perfect the other sensors in the next release cycle. Or buy out a company that develops the technology first.

I also can't help but wonder if thefts will start rising again. the 6/6+ have the features in place that render a stolen phone pretty unusable, I hope that Apple has built some good security in to the watch. I do know there is the sensor that knows when you remove it from your wrist plus the fingerprint sensor on the screen.
 
Those Badges or Metals are stunning, excellent design work.

Yeah, I like the cloisonné sort-of effect. It's well done.

Not a big fan of an electronic device awarding me a "badge", however. Are you supposed to show these off to others? Seems a bit silly.
 
I still don't see what makes the sport and edition versions so vastly different as Lynch claims. From a technological point of view, they are the same product. The only difference could be screen size, which at only a 4mm difference, isn't that significant. All the other differences are cosmetic/fashion oriented. So someone who pays for the high end edition watch really has a device that functions no better than the cheapest model. Same processor, memory, sensors, etc.
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That's who they're going after with the Edition; fashion folks. The Sport is going to be used at the gym, or on runs, or when hiking. The Edition, in theory, will be bought be the elite, or at least ones that have the money, and worn to fancy dinners, award shows, and things like that. That's their differences.

They have different uses, while offering nothing really different. And the cost difference is just based on the materials used and way it's made (even though this has been, for whatever reason, highly debated)
 
"In all the time we've been talking, he's never once looked at his phone."

Here's my problem though. When I'm interacting with someone, I'm far less offended by someone glancing at their phone than I am if they're constantly glancing at their watch, as if they can't wait to be done with me. Both are bothersome, but glancing at their watch feels more offensive to me.
 
What if you could make a device that you wouldn't--couldn't--use for hours at a time?

Seems like an excuse for their abysmal battery life for the Watch.
 
"In all the time we've been talking, he's never once looked at his phone."

Here's my problem though. When I'm interacting with someone, I'm far less offended by someone glancing at their phone than I am if they're constantly glancing at their watch, as if they can't wait to be done with me. Both are bothersome, but glancing at their watch feels more offensive to me.

So they're not constantly glancing at their phone but they are at their watch? Or if they are constantly glancing at their phone that's ok with you? Why is one ok but the other not?
 
I also can't help but wonder if thefts will start rising again. the 6/6+ have the features in place that render a stolen phone pretty unusable, I hope that Apple has built some good security in to the watch. I do know there is the sensor that knows when you remove it from your wrist plus the fingerprint sensor on the screen.

Will people actually try and steal these right off of your arm? I can't see where this will be an item that will be stolen much - unless home break-ins.
 
So they're not constantly glancing at their phone but they are at their watch? Or if they are constantly glancing at their phone that's ok with you? Why is one ok but the other not?

I think because historically, a phone glance is in response to someone outside butting-in to your conversation. The outsider is the one being 'rude' so to speak (not that they know it). The glancer is just responding to an outside event like anyone would. Forgivable.

A watch-glance, OTOH, is instigated by the person standing right in front of you. They're sort-of telling you they'd rather be somewhere else. Rude

That'll all change once everyone starts regarding smart-watches as more than just passive time-display devices.
 
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