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I welcome this wholeheartedly! Investment in to our country is always a great thing. It lowers COGS and creates employments. It also boosts the vendor's financial posture and improves their relationship with us. Win-Win for everybody.
 
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If allowed to continue, Trump is going to destroy the US.

He doesn't understand any of the real 2nd and 3rd order implications of any of this.

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Show me where any supplier like this was "eyeing" anything before this Administration, any movement at all.
Remind me, who was U.S. president in 2022?


Made in America: these are some of the companies bringing manufacturing back to the US

Jul 9, 2022

American manufacturers are increasingly bringing production back to the US to reduce their reliance on global supply chains that proved vulnerable to disruption such as the pandemic.

An overwhelming majority of American companies with production operations in China have already moved some back to the US or plan to do so in the next three years, according to Kearney's 2021 Reshoring Index.

Almost four in five corporations companies have already shifted production to the US and at least 15% are considering it due to high tariffs and ongoing supply chain challenges, Kearney's report shows.

General Motors announced in January it would spend $7 billion on four plants in Michigan. Last year it spent almost $40 billion buying parts from some 5,600 US suppliers.

GE Appliances is also investing on expanding US production to make products closer to customers and create more American jobs.

Intel is investing $12 billion on two chip factories near Phoenix that are due to open in 2024. The company said last year that the US has "lost ground" in manufacturing semiconductors.

US Steel is investing in a $3 billion steelmaking factory in Osceola, Arkansas. Similarly, Nucor is spending about $2.7 billion on a steel plate mill in Brandberg, Kentucky with construction set to start later this year.

Generac Power Systems moved some production from China to the US after the pandemic. Last year it unveiled plans to open a new plant in Trenton, South Carolina.

Lockheed Martin is putting $16.5 million into a new Missile System Integration Lab facility in Huntsville, Alabama. The defense contractor already has 25 facilities in Alabama and expects to create a further 200 jobs there.
 
It is amazing all of the people who stayed at a Holliday Inn pontificating here. They sound like a bunch of divorced women talking about their X's. The fact that 70 countries are in negotiations over tariffs affects the stock market. China is painting itself into a corner. China has no friends, they have been screwing over everybody.

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Show me where any supplier like this was "eyeing" anything before this Administration, any movement at all.
We also saw a clean energy boom with companies building factories across the U.S. But those jobs/factories are now at risk as Trump admin. considers rolling back Biden Admin's energy policies.

Do you see the irony?


How American Tax Breaks Brought a Chinese Solar Energy Giant to Ohio

October 28, 2024

Nestled among the corn fields of Pataskala, Ohio, Illuminate USA’s sprawling new solar factory is buzzing. Hundreds of freshly hired local employees are hoisting pallets, soldering equipment and inspecting their work as sheets of glass are transformed into state-of-the-art photovoltaic panels. They’re collecting hourly wages that start at double the state minimum. The factory has also delivered contracts to area electricians and suppliers.

From the outside, these are the hallmarks of the 21st century clean energy manufacturing boom promised by the Biden administration, the result of sweeping incentives designed to restore national prowess in a market dominated by China.




Northwest Georgia is churning out solar panels like never before. Detroit automakers are constructing billion-dollar battery factories to supply electric vehicle production. Pittsburgh steelworkers are forging torque tubes for massive solar plants.

The U.S. has succeeded in kicking off a new era of clean energy manufacturing, thanks to Biden-administration policies that incentivized domestic production to rebuild communities and reduce reliance on China. Now that Donald Trump has won a second term in the White House, he could use his power to crush this fledgling industrial resurgence, or embrace it.

Trump campaigned on boosting American manufacturing and pushing back on China. It would serve the incoming administration’s stated interests, then, to continue policies that boost American manufacturing and push back on China.
 
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It is amazing all of the people who stayed at a Holliday Inn pontificating here. They sound like a bunch of divorced women talking about their X's. The fact that 70 countries are in negotiations over tariffs affects the stock market. China is painting itself into a corner. China has no friends, they have been screwing over everybody.

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So if it's green you're ok to talk about the markets

What about the "straight down all red days" before?
 
You know how long and expensive thats going to be? Its going to be YEARS before any assembly plants for apple products are up and running here in the US with all the red tape they got to go though, environmental evaluations, construction, etc?

Also...Who the hell are you going to staff these assembly plants with? Americans who dont have the skill set, the experience or the desire to do this kind of labor especially at the same prices people in china are doing it for.

Now, lets be totally real here...the conditions over seas where all these electronics are assembled are messed up no doubt, but they exists because people there are willing to do it for what little pay they get. Its not slavery, they are getting paid and anyone there (as far as i know) can get up and quit and walk out at any time...they are not held there at gunpoint (again as far as i know)....

BUT...do you really think us fat, lazy entitled americans are going to do the same labor, for the same pay? You best think otherwise because an American part time worker doesn't want to flip burgers without benefits for minimum wage. You really think they are going to work 12-18 hour shifts at less then minimum pay with no benefits building electronics?

NEVER HAPPENING. So even if you do bring back the jobs here in the States...the prices are going to increase so much for the product just to offset the cost of the Americans salary to build them and the items are going to be unafforable to most people, then the company is going to go under because they cant sell the items they are spending a fortune on building because it cost too much for them to build them here in the US.

Its a sad cold reality of business. Build for low, sell for high. Supply and demand. Apple isn't the only company doing that. Its been done this way for CENTURIES.

Trump still thinks its the 1800s where people are going to work in unsafe workhouses (Yes im using a Charles Dickens term here) using child labor for pennies, so the wealthy can get even wealthier!

The man is a idiot pure and simple and he's tanking the economy just to have the world kiss his ass, and he even said it. This is nothing more then a massive ego trip for him, and i got to hand it to the chinese for not kissing his ass.

Look..as an american i want good jobs here for myself and my fellow citizens. of course. I want jobs where we can make a livable wadge doing something we believe in and can be proud of. But i honestly do feel the days of us going to the assembly plant to build a product to sell on the market at retail, and have a dependable livable income were we can afford a home and raise a family, those days are behind us now.

Its not the industry revolution. Its not the world war 2 post war baby boom. its 2025. We live in an era of computers and automation and yes, sadly cheep overseas labor to assemble things and thats because of globalization for good or ill and thats been the way things have been done for nearly 40 years now and going backwards as trump is trying to do, is just idiotic.

This is just a major ego trip for him, a shallow ego from a idiotic man thats been forced on all of us!

Weird - 40 years ago, China was backwater and somehow they found people to build up factories. It's almost like the post-WTO and NAFTA agreements, international trade is based upon labor arbitrage, with shareholders / companies pocketing the profit from that arbitrage.

The externalities of that labor arbitrage - 70,500 factories have closed since China has joined the WTO, hundreds of thousands of people have died from opiod overdoses. Not unlike what happened during the collapse of the Soviet Union, for those towns and cities in the US that lost their manufacturing base.
 
So if it's green you're ok to talk about the markets

What about the "straight down all red days" before?
I take the long view, as you should. All of the long-term gains and losses are viewable online. Watch for a tariff agreement with Japan. When that happens things will start to change for the good. The terrible state of the Chinese economy is not reported in the US. You need to go to Taiwanese and Japanese financial news for that.
 
Doesn’t necessarily mean that they will be hiring US workers. They can easily bring over their own laborers. . .
Only China does that to 3rd world countries and bringing in their own workers with the present administration isn't going to happen, Plus the Unions will have something to say about that. This is not H-1B country.
 
What? Companies actually considering moving manufacturing to the US? Who would've thought...
BMW moved all the manufacturing of their SUV's to the Carolinas a few years ago. Any x model bought in Europe comes from that plant. What will happen now is that Europe will have to pay a tariff on BMW models imported into Europe. We are suppose to think globally, this is just getting stupid.
 
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BMW moved all the manufacturing of their SUV's to the Carolinas a few years ago. Any x model bought in Europe comes from that plant. What will happen now is that Europe will have to pay a tariff on BMW models imported into Europe. We are suppose to think globally, this is just getting stupid.
Subaru has done the same thing. They make their SUVs for the entire world at their Indiana assembly plant.
 
The problem tech companies are having right now is getting their manufacturing equipment out of China. There are plenty of closed assembly plants in the US. All that is needed to set them up for Hi-Tech manufacturing is to remodel the building to suit and place the manufacturing equipment. Unlike China, this equipment is made in Japan, Taiwan, and the United States. I have a nephew who is a machinist. He tells me China is at least 15 years behind Japan, Germany, and the USA in CNC machines. He said his tooling suppliers are happy about these Tariffs because of Chinese counterfeiting. Right now you can see counterfeit tooling for CNC machines. They look identical. The only way you find out it isn't what you paid for is they break halfway through a job.
 
You know how long and expensive thats going to be? Its going to be YEARS before any assembly plants for apple products are up and running here in the US with all the red tape they got to go though, environmental evaluations, construction, etc?
As little as I doubt iPhone production is going to return to the U.S. at competitive cost on a large scale anytime soon(then again, at 100%+ tariff for China, it actually might):

Let’s not overreact and put the U.S. down too much.

The country still makes some high-tech products. It has large and diverse enough of a workforce. AirPods cost a fraction of the iPhone’s price to make. And I’m quite sure they’re (much) easier to make and their supply chains are less complicated.

I’d certainly consider it feasible (much more so than for iPhones retailing at $1000 and more).
If India and Brazil can make iPhones, so can U.S. manufacturing make small earphones.

And given Apple’s brand power, they’ll be marketable maintaining margin and reasonable pricing.
Question is just: will it worth it, given the volatile nature of Trump and his tariffs and policy. And input prices, when components and supplies are subject to tariffs?
 
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