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It is amazing all of the people who stayed at a Holliday Inn pontificating here. They sound like a bunch of divorced women talking about their X's. The fact that 70 countries are in negotiations over tariffs affects the stock market. China is painting itself into a corner. China has no friends, they have been screwing over everybody.
Divorced women talking about their X's? That's totally sexist. You know that right? Aren't you embarrassed to so boldly represent the MAGA stereotype here?
 
We won’t have a country left in 2 years. Unless the Orange Character/Anti-Christ gets impeached.
Disregarding your childish and blasphemous nicknames - Trump has already been impeached … twice. How do you think a third time will be any different?
 
They are "eyeing" it, meaning it's unlikely to happen. What their eyes will see is the madman-in-charge changing tariff policy week to week. Considering the cost and higher price to manufacture in the US, any company would be foolish to make a major move while this back and forth is coming from the white house. Trust in the USA is gone for now, sadly.
 
What a difference a day makes 24 little hours. Now the negotiations start


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"Found people"?

It's a Communist Dictatorship

You don't want to be on the "worker" end of things in China, nor do you want that in the USA

So what balance does a country strike then in making their own national defenses systems or medicine, and what % do you outsource to communist countries like Vietnam or China?
 
I don’t know if Trump’s tariffs are right, but what I do know is that it is unsustainable to have a few countries manufacture all the products for dirt cheap though government subsidies and slave labor, while the rest of the world just imports everything. Not everyone wants to work a service based job.

For the few items the US does manufacture we can hardly export because all these other countries have incredibly high tariffs. Seems like unfair trade practices to me.
 
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For the few items the US does manufacture we can hardly export because all these other countries have incredibly high tariffs. Seems like unfair trade practices to me.
The “incredibly high tariffs” were and are a fantasy ginned up with the help of no experts whatsoever. They don’t exist. The US’s main problem with exports is trying to sell crap that no one wants.
 
The US is already a developing country when it comes to education and public health. It would be depressing to see the working conditions deteriorating down at the same level.
The working conditions in the US are already at a very low level, compared to much of the developed world.

How many weeks pay are standard in the USA?
How many weeks of being sick at full pay do you get, that doesn't cut into your annual leave?
What about enforcement of a maximum 40 hour working week, with enforced time off to compensate for working longer hours? (I currently have 12 hours I need to take off before the end of April due to a couple of emergencies that saw me working longer hours last week and this week.)

The list goes on. The US employment laws are some of the worst and most lax/employer friendly you will find in a "developed" country.
 
Time to bring jobs back home to America.
Like the UK, the USA has spent decades getting rid of blue collar jobs and telling people they should aspire to work in service industries or tech. Now that the USA doesn't have a large workforce capable of doing the needed highly skilled manual labour, companies should bring manufacturing back to the USA in "a few days or months"?

It will take at least a couple of decades, you need to start with the school system and work children up through it, to aim them at skilled jobs, as opposed to aiming them at universities, so that they have huge debts and no skills for the jobs that will be available...

While Germany isn't perfect and it is also "suffering" with more and more people going to university rather than going into traditional trades, they do have a multi stream schooling system and apprenticeships to get people into skilled trades and there are still skilled manufacturing jobs as well as trades. But even they couldn't react at the scale the manufacturing needs these days.

How are you going to create a city the size of, say, Chicago, where hundreds of thousands of people work in the same factory? Very few in the USA would want to do that, although the USA is probably the one developed country where the work laws would allow it.
 
The new diversification plan will see companies move some manufacturing to the U.S. while keeping some in foreign countries similar to how companies diversified away from China (but not completely) by moving some manufacturing to India, Vietnam, etc.
And probably US made products for the US market, to avoid tariffs and only 30% more expensive, instead of 54% or 104%, whilst the cheaper manufacturing is used to supply the rest of the world.
 
Show me where any supplier like this was "eyeing" anything before this Administration, any movement at all.
TSMC, Foxconn, Apple, many others have been eyeing manufacturing in the USA for years, they did it last time around and the most that happened is a couple of empty factory shells that never got fitted out, let alone staffed, ready for production, or they were political show-cases, like the Apple Mac Pro facility that was cleaned up for a photoshoot with Trump last time round, where he claimed the old factory was new and came about because of his policies.
 
What seems to be happening is Secretary Scott Bessent, who is an acknowledged expert in international trade and financing, some top-level investors are calling him one of best Treasury Secretaries the US has ever had, at the direction of President Trump who is very knowledgeable about the US Stock and Bond markets, is moving to isolate China and free the US, and the rest of the world from its predatory business practices. Some of what will happen is India, Japan, South Korea, and the United States will come to a trade and tariff agreement to isolate China. In the future instead of global "free" trade agreements, each country will be free to make their own deals.
 
TSMC, Foxconn, Apple, and many others have been eyeing manufacturing in the USA for years, they did it last time around and the most that happened is a couple of empty factory shells that never got fitted out, let alone staffed, ready for production, or they were political show-cases, like the Apple Mac Pro facility that was cleaned up for a photo shoot with Trump last time round, where he claimed the old factory was new and came about because of his policies.
When I look at this I wonder how much was left on the table thanks to COVID, and the Biden Administration, at least who in this administration was in charge of this sort of thing. It was as if each area had someone who had unsupervised control. China would not have wanted such facilities operating in the United States. Joe Biden was one of the worst cases of elderly abuse I have ever seen. I witnessed a lot of this During my career in the Veteran's Administration.
 
The problem tech companies are having right now is getting their manufacturing equipment out of China. There are plenty of closed assembly plants in the US. All that is needed to set them up for Hi-Tech manufacturing is to remodel the building to suit and place the manufacturing equipment. Unlike China, this equipment is made in Japan, Taiwan, and the United States. I have a nephew who is a machinist. He tells me China is at least 15 years behind Japan, Germany, and the USA in CNC machines. He said his tooling suppliers are happy about these Tariffs because of Chinese counterfeiting. Right now you can see counterfeit tooling for CNC machines. They look identical. The only way you find out it isn't what you paid for is they break halfway through a job.
Do you believe your cousin or do you believe TIM COOK. He said as recently as this week that Apple can never move manufacturing to the US because they do not have the skill sets in the numbers that it would require. Steve Jobs said exactly the same thing years ago and nothing has changed.
 
Do you believe your cousin or do you believe TIM COOK. He said as recently as this week that Apple can never move manufacturing to the US because they do not have the skill sets in the numbers that it would require. Steve Jobs said exactly the same thing years ago and nothing has changed.
Apples and Oranges. My Nephew is a master machinist in his area of expertise he is more knowledgeable than Tim Cook. As for numbers and skill sets. Semiconductor manufacturing is largely automated. As for assembly plants, if Foxconn can train Chinese rice farmers from the third-world Chinese countryside to assemble iPhones better educated American Workers can be trained to do the same thing. What will keep iPhone assembly offshore is in-country content laws such as India has.
 
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