Key Claim of Apple's 'Rubber Banding' Patent Used Against Samsung Confirmed

[Woyzeck]

I doubt that we had the great user interfaces of today's desktop operating systems if this stupid software patent system were available 30 years from now.

Xerox would hold a patent on the mouse pointer, IBM on the combo box and DEC on the invention of the icon.

 

[moxin]

samsung innovation = Copy/paste/edit iOS

 

[RetepNamenots]

samsung innovation = Copy/paste/edit iOS

Because none of the features new to iOS 7 could be previously found on Samsung devices.

 

[mrxak]

It is pretty cool. Sometimes, when I'm really, really bored, I like seeing if I can push something all the way off the screen. It's fun.

Yeah. I'm easily amused.

I really loved when they added that scroll-to-check-mail thing, too. I like to pull down on my inbox just to see the little circle get stretched out and pop. Seeing how far can I pull it down so it doesn't pop, but it's really really close...

 

[rotarydialz]

Apple have the right to protect their invention. Samsung have been making millions but they will soon be paying a tithe to Apple. It's obvious that Samsung wouldn't be as successful in the smart phone business without Apple blazing the trail and priming the market.

 

[samcraig]

Except the ones that sell for similar prices as the iPhone don't sell nearly as well as the iPhone does. You can't throw in all the "Kia" phones with the "Volvo/Mercedes/whatever premium brand" Android phones and then try to say people prefer them over the Apple "Lexus".

That's what the OP was getting at with the car analogy. So like he said, saying people "prefer" Android over iOS is like saying people "prefer" Kia over Lexus.

The majority of Android phones sold are not S4's or HTC One's. The real numbers being moved are in the mid to low range phones. Especially in the large emerging markets like India and China.

Hence why you see Android and iOS very close in mature markets like the U.S. with Android losing market share for several quarters now and iOS expected to overtake it within the next year or two.

No. Just no.

Do you really think the Samsung Galaxy Ace and other similar Android phones that Samsung, Huawei, and others are selling a ton of have better specs than the iPhone 5?

Even if you look at the relative small number of Android phones like the S4, Apple always beats them on specs when they introduce a phone. Sure the companies leapfrog one another depending on release date but how is that saying that they have better specs? Heck, even the latest Android phones can't touch the GPU specs in Apple's older iPhone.

And here's a hint for you. Android IS Galaxy Ace and similar mid range phones for all practical purposes. And Android IS Gingerbread much more so than it is Jelly Bean. Meanwhile, when Apple introduces a new OS, people generally update extremely fast so that it actually represents what you may call "iOS". The S4/HTC Ones of the world are the premium brands of Android but make up a relatively small part of it just like Jelly Bean.

Sort of like how the Lexus brand is for Toyota. The poster earlier was trying to add up all the tons of Toyota cars sold with the relatively fewer Lexus cars sold and then compare them to just a Mercedes Benz and say people "prefer" Toyota over Mercedes (already a bad analysis) but while also hinting they mean Lexus. So yeah, all sorts of things wrongs in that analysis.

With all due respect - you don't know what the OP exactly meant. And analogies - especially this tired one using cars is just silly.

My opinion.

 

[street.cory]

This does not change the fact that it can still be invalidated in court and Apple will be fighting that one as well and honestly I am not a big fan of rubber banding. I like the way Android does thing by just having a slight color changing being pulled down. The bouncing screen always bothered me.

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Just going to point out the rubber banding was not Android but Samsung only using it. HTC using closer to stock android.

Oh, right. I always get a bit confused of which Android phones I've tried. I did know that HTC's Sense UI never had it, at least with the phones I have used. (Desire, Evo, and the latest One.)

 

[kdarling]

With the new reexamination certificate, it is unlikely that Samsung will be able to delay or avoid the November trial that will levy additional damages against the company.

Judge Koh had already ruled that the trial would not be delayed while the Patent Office reviewed various patents.

As for this patent, I don't think Samsung has used the bounceback since last summer's trial, so at most the upcoming new jury might (again) find some old devices to infringe.

However, this time around, Samsung can show that the effect was nowhere near as valuable as Apple had claimed... since even without it, Samsung's sales hugely increased.

 

[TCZ]

Hooke's law (1660) relating force F and extension x of a spring of stiffness k:
F=kx

FREE.


Written in code:

def RubberBandForce (ScreenExtension: Int): Int = {

val k = 100
return k*ScreenExtension​

}

ONE BILLION DOLLARS!

 

[PseudoRegister]

These Patents Are Nuts and the Companies Hypocritical

I believe that the USA is in dire need of patent and copyright reform.

I couldn't shake a vague feeling of familiarity with some of the gestures used during the iOS7 demo, and then it struck me during the "multi-tasking" piece: the Palm Pre (RIP), flipping "cards."

 

[FloatingBones]

Hooke's law (1660) relating force F and extension x of a spring of stiffness k:
F=kx

FREE.

Nope. That's tragically wrong. Hookean behavior is linear; the stress/strain response in biological structure (and Apple's UI) is non-linear.

You just made a billion-dollar mistake.

 

[US Marine]

I believe that the USA is in dire need of patent and copyright reform.

I couldn't shake a vague feeling of familiarity with some of the gestures used during the iOS7 demo, and then it struck me during the "multi-tasking" piece: the Palm Pre (RIP), flipping "cards."

That's the first thing I thought too! I miss my Palm Pre.

 

[Real666]

Yeah, I mean, iOS7 didn't even copy Android and Windows 8 at all.

They didn't! Android, Samsung, and Apple are copying Third Party Developers. Apple once again like iOS 6 has implemented features that have been available in Cydia for years. It seems as if they watched Cydia to see what is downloaded the most then sticks it in their iOS as a standard. It's like saying they are giving you what you want. In the beginning Android copied Cydia also. Notifications, SBsettings, Multitasking, Live wallpapers, and more were all first implementations of the jailbreak community in 2007 with the first iPhone. Android didn't come out until October 2008.

Has anyone else noticed the elephant in the room with Android? Android was not publishing their Android 5.0 But was just going to add a 4.3 but right after Apples WWDC they all of a sudden are going to push the 5.0. It's like they where waiting to see what was new coming from Apple to either copy or try to improve upon.

 

[nutjob]

Nope. That's tragically wrong. Hookean behavior is linear; the stress/strain response in biological structure (and Apple's UI) is non-linear.

You just made a billion-dollar mistake.

No, he just avoided a one billion dollar lawsuit.

 

[FloatingBones]

No, he just avoided a one billion dollar lawsuit.

Neither of you understand.

Apple made a nonlinear (i.e., non-hookean) stress/strain response. If someone had coded a linear response, it wouldn't have had the elegance of the iOS UI -- it wouldn't have been lifelike. Quite simply, it wouldn't have worked nearly as well.

Have you ever studied non-hookean stress/strain response?

 

[D.T.]

Neither of you understand.

Hahaha, actually he _does_ get it at least in terms of making a joke ... you'll just have to get out of "nerd mode" for a moment. Here's some help: the OP wasn't correct in his application of said law, so it's not a trespass on Apple's patent ... i.e., he avoided a lawsuit

 

[nutjob]

Hahaha, actually he _does_ get it at least in terms of making a joke ... you'll just have to get out of "nerd mode" for a moment. Here's some help: the OP wasn't correct in his application of said law, so it's not a trespass on Apple's patent ... i.e., he avoided a lawsuit

Indeed. Ironic in a couple of ways. Tragic that you have to explain it to him.

 

[Seiga]

Good to know there is some decency left.

Decency doesn't equate to being right.

What's right is that they should concentrate on R & D, especially Apple, because Google is the one that can innovate the overall operating system while Apple fights with Samsung and delays any innovation.

The U.S. patent system is severely flawed, and all these tech companies are doing are just exposing the system to its fullest.

I remember watching a TED broadcast many years ago with a gentleman displaying a camera around his neck to project smart phone capabilities with just hand gestures and sight. I don't recall how long ago that was, but it took from then to now to develop Google Glass. And keep in mind, the guy on TED used spare parts from his computer to make this technology.

This technology could have been used sooner if people don't bicker about the stupid stuff and start advancing humanity. Because ultimately in the end, the consumers will be affected the most.

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s

People are dying in the world and these two companies spend millions protecting bouncy and rounded things.

People die every 2 seconds with birth being roughly the same. That's not news. So two companies spending millions to billions is news. Especially on a site that is supposed to show only those news and not death (except apple or major technology passings).

Get with the program!

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LOL, good one.

You're accusing the industry innovator of killing innovation

Actually, your statement is correct. Industry innovator is killing innovation. They focused on innovation in the beginning then started to focus on protecting itself. First gen iPhone was an innovator, 3rd gen was pefection, and 4th gen was the re-innovator, but now what? They got so obsessed with protecting themselves, that they failed in R & D these days. Apple Maps is clearly the best example in this.

Notice how the baton switched to Google. Now, the innovators are Google, and Apple can't say much about that unfortunately.

It's all catch up at this point, and I wouldn't be surprised if one day iTunes decides to do a spotify like service and become just like Google Play Music, which hands down nothing can beat after their update yesterday.

 

[D.T.]

Indeed. Ironic in a couple of ways. Tragic that you have to explain it to him.

Well, he's a good contributor ... everyone occasionally puts on their blinders

 

[kdarling]

In the beginning Android copied Cydia also. Notifications, SBsettings, Multitasking, Live wallpapers, and more were all first implementations of the jailbreak community in 2007 with the first iPhone. Android didn't come out until October 2008.

Live homescreens, multitasking, quick settings, notifications and all that kind of stuff was done on Symbian, Blackberry and Windows Mobile phones years before the iPhone came along.

Same as now, aquariums and galaxies were some of the most popular. For example this WinMo homescreen wallpaper that ran on Pocket PC 2002 or above:

Has anyone else noticed the elephant in the room with Android? Android was not publishing their Android 5.0 But was just going to add a 4.3 but right after Apples WWDC they all of a sudden are going to push the 5.0. It's like they where waiting to see what was new coming from Apple to either copy or try to improve upon.

So you're saying that Google must not have seen anything from Apple worth delaying the 5.0 release?

 

[Seiga]

Apple have the right to protect their invention. Samsung have been making millions but they will soon be paying a tithe to Apple. It's obvious that Samsung wouldn't be as successful in the smart phone business without Apple blazing the trail and priming the market.

Apple wouldn't be where they are if it weren't for IBM. So what's your point? Every company starts somewhere, and competing markets will try to get their hands on it and make it better. This is common in any competing business. Then you take advantage of their misfortunes. A good example would be the tire company Good Year after they took advantage of Firestone's misfortunes after their tire issues in the 90's.

So Samsung clearly knows that without Apple, they wouldn't have stepped foot into the mobile phone platform. It just doesn't phase them for current and future development of phones.

 

[mccldwll]

Android has not been using "rubber banding" for years now and nobody noticed. With or without this feature people prefer Android to iOS in growing numbers.

That's funny. The data doesn't support that assertion, and it's only going to get worse for andrrhoid:

http://beta.fool.com/alexcho/2013/06/13/samsung-could-be-in-serious-trouble/36675/#disqus_thread

 

[danahn17]

People "prefer" Android over iOS the same way that people "prefer" Kia over a Lexus. Some people can't justify paying the difference because it's 'almost' the same experience. Others prefer to pay the premium price for a premium product. Put another way: iOS is to Android, as Kraft Easy-Mac is to Walmart Macaroni and Cheese

If Apple is Easy Mac and Android is Walmart Mac & Cheese.... then everybody loses. Neither are premium products.

 

[MeatRocket]

Live homescreens, multitasking, quick settings, notifications and all that kind of stuff was done on Symbian, Blackberry and Windows Mobile phones years before the iPhone came along.

Same as now, aquariums and galaxies were some of the most popular. For example this WinMo homescreen wallpaper that ran on Pocket PC 2002 or above:

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Hundreds of fanboi heads just exploded, I hope you're proud of yourself! That image reminds me of my HTC Wizard (WimMo 5 phone on T-Mobile). To be fair, the fanbois wouldn't know because if it wasn't showcased in MacLife then Apple didn't make it & it obviously wasn't worth looking at. "Think outside of the box" - unless it isn't an Apple product. In that case, keep your head down & ignore the innovation all around you.

 

[FloatingBones]

No, he just avoided a one billion dollar lawsuit.

Hahaha, actually he _does_ get it at least in terms of making a joke ... you'll just have to get out of "nerd mode" for a moment. Here's some help: the OP wasn't correct in his application of said law, so it's not a trespass on Apple's patent ... i.e., he avoided a lawsuit

The problem with nutjob's "joke" was that it didn't read like a joke. No smiley, and no explanation. Nutjob's one-sentence message reads like a correction. In a forum where not everyone speaks English fluently and less than 1% understand the linear vs. non-linear issue, over-subtle one-liners tend to muddy the conversation.

Far less than 1% of 1% here understand the principle in biology. One person responded with a message; someone else replied by saying, "Son stay off the drugs" (I guess that message got deleted). My intent in discussing it here is to emphasize that biology is a rich and largely untapped source of ideas. Most here -- some of the smartest people around -- have no idea of this wonderful resource for creative ideas. One may argue whether or not Apple should be entitled to huge settlements on their intellectual property, but everybody should appreciate the huge creative leap that the iPhone made in 2007. This little feature of scrolling is the quintessence of "the intersection of technology and liberal arts". Capiche?