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Apple's Powerbooks haven't been black since the first Titanium model years ago. I think he was referring to the ibook (now MacBook) that is now available in black as well as the white it's been for some time.
Just let it go
The Apple //e was my 2nd computer, and I used it for nearly eight years, before buying a IIcx.
As far as I was concerned, the Command key was always "COMMAND", NOT "Apple"! There was no confusion, no nostalgia, no question... it just WAS.
As people have pointed out, since the very 1st Mac, it has been the Command key, so nothing has changed. There are too many REAL problems with the new Macs and keyboards to be wasting time pining for something that never was.
Yes, very annoying.
Me: "Hit Command-S".
Client/Family Member: "Where's Command?"
Me: "Besides the Space Bar."
Client/Family Member: "You mean Apple?"
Me: Big sigh "...Yes."
The Apple //e was my 2nd computer, and I used it for nearly eight years, before buying a IIcx.
As far as I was concerned, the Command key was always "COMMAND", NOT "Apple"! There was no confusion, no nostalgia, no question... it just WAS.
As people have pointed out, since the very 1st Mac, it has been the Command key, so nothing has changed. There are too many REAL problems with the new Macs and keyboards to be wasting time pining for something that never was.
Yes, very annoying.
Me: "Hit Command-S".
Client/Family Member: "Where's Command?"
Me: "Besides the Space Bar."
Client/Family Member: "You mean Apple?"
Me: Big sigh "...Yes."
ha haha you are a funny guy.
I was thinking Vaio TP-1 or Mac Mini for living room
but i dont like windows logo on keyboard,
so I get back to mac
well...i decided to add back the apple logo myself...or go to Spain / Canada store to buy a new keyboard with
logoWhite & Black???
I really can't make up my mind... I really like the new keyboard but am really mad about the other keys being cut off the wireless version, but does anyone else think that the white keys don't match the iMac now??? Don't you think they should have made the keys black with backlights as well as the mouse and Apple Remote??? I LOVE white Apple products, but the keyboard seems out of place now. It matches the mouse and remote but not the iMac
Anyone else agree???
I really can't make up my mind... I really like the new keyboard but am really mad about the other keys being cut off the wireless version, but does anyone else think that the white keys don't match the iMac now??? Don't you think they should have made the keys black with backlights as well as the mouse and Apple Remote??? I LOVE white Apple products, but the keyboard seems out of place now. It matches the mouse and remote but not the iMac
Anyone else agree???
Now nobody knows what I'm talking about.
Really... you're taking away the, but are leaving us with the clover? The clover? Really Steve?
As if people already don't have a hard enough time understanding my instructions. Now I'll have to go back through and re-write all my documentation to say "command" instead of "apple". I still say and will continue to say "open apple" just because it's what is right.
Doesn't really matter to me anyways, I can't afford an iMac now. Just throwing in my two cents.
Long live the!
Really... you're taking away the
, but are leaving us with the clover? The clover? Really Steve?As if people already don't have a hard enough time understanding my instructions. Now I'll have to go back through and re-write all my documentation to say "command" instead of "apple". I still say and will continue to say "open apple" just because it's what is right.
Doesn't really matter to me anyways, I can't afford an iMac now. Just throwing in my two cents.
Long live the
!OK, maybe I exaggerated. However when I switched from my blackish Dell laptop and my greysh PC desktops to the Mac world, Apple colors were white and silver. And I switched from an ugly world to a beautiful luminous world. No problem for me if some Mac is black (they are nice and they do not copy Dell) provided that the Mac is not "becoming homogenized into a Windows world". AidenShaw perfectly understood my point.
@piermac and Aiden -
I'm not big on "me too" posts but this is a good one to mark.
The biggest reason I stay a Mac user ARE the differences, not the similarities to Windoze.
I'll have to call the store and see if I can order an "international" model keyboard, I like the Apple symbol on the Command key.
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I'm not big on "me too" posts but this is a good one to mark.
The biggest reason I stay a Mac user ARE the differences, not the similarities to Windoze.
I'll have to call the store and see if I can order an "international" model keyboard, I like the Apple symbol on the Command key.
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I think the "open Apple" is good. Why?
Because Apple will now have to localize - as in translate into every language and alphabet (character set) the "command" statement. Heaps of keys - when an explanation in the "user booklet" would be fine. BUT as we all know - who reads the user booklet for a keyboard?
So now you will see "command" in all the languages of The European Community (on the key in very fine print! - you cannot leave any out!) and in Kanji and Katakana and Hebrew and Arabic and Hindi and "Straine" and who know what else - oh and in Spanish in the US - except in Germantown PA where it will be in, of course, German.
Get my drift? It's OK for the ligua-myopic Americans who do not speak anything but English (actually American) but the "rest of us" would prefer a bit of tradition!
Because Apple will now have to localize - as in translate into every language and alphabet (character set) the "command" statement. Heaps of keys - when an explanation in the "user booklet" would be fine. BUT as we all know - who reads the user booklet for a keyboard?
So now you will see "command" in all the languages of The European Community (on the key in very fine print! - you cannot leave any out!) and in Kanji and Katakana and Hebrew and Arabic and Hindi and "Straine" and who know what else - oh and in Spanish in the US - except in Germantown PA where it will be in, of course, German.
Get my drift? It's OK for the ligua-myopic Americans who do not speak anything but English (actually American) but the "rest of us" would prefer a bit of tradition!
Command key? You'll always be "open Apple" to me.
Wow. Even with as much abuse as I take from people for saying "Open Apple + S" or "Open Apple + Q", I never thought there'd be a day where they could out and out say I was wrong.
Moment of silence for what was and always will be the open Apple key.
Oh, and just on a total nerd note: graphically I always loved the way the Apple logo looked next to the command symbol.
Wow. Even with as much abuse as I take from people for saying "Open Apple + S" or "Open Apple + Q", I never thought there'd be a day where they could out and out say I was wrong.
Moment of silence for what was and always will be the open Apple key.
Oh, and just on a total nerd note: graphically I always loved the way the Apple logo looked next to the command symbol.
I'm not fond of Apple's recent moves towards abandoning their distinctive look and feel (new iMac, Leopard UI, and so on). However, this is one "tradition" that really, really needed to die, and it's good they finally took an axe to it. Having the apple on the key made no sense. No sense! At all! Non-technical types (not even newbies) wouldn't understand when you'd quote from a manual, or memory, or even a frickin' UI menu! -- and use the correct term "Command". The icon itself is indescribable (clover? quatre-foil?), though, so you inevitably would refer to it as the "Apple key". But "Apple" had no meaning in the user interface -- unless it opens the Apple menu like the Windows key opens the Start menu, it has no business being there.
As for having to be translated into European languages -- uh, so? Don't option, shift, return and the rest need to be translated, too? What difference does it make? It will finally have the correct terminology on every international keyboard. Sounds good to me.
As for "Open Apple" -- now that's just plain stupid. There's no "closed Apple", so noone who wasn't around in ancient times would have any idea what is meant by "Open". When I first read that I thought it had something to do with the command "Open" in the File menu, or that there was a separate "open" key back in the day. As if the Apple/Command thing wasn't confusing enough! I hope none of you guys do tech support.
Would it please you whiners if they put the Apple somewhere else? Maybe on one of those keys nobody uses like 'home'. Even on the command key it was just branding, nothing more, for the last few decades, so it could really go anywhere. Or maybe they could distribute little mini versions of the white Apple stickers, just with the keyboards, so you could decide for yourself
As for having to be translated into European languages -- uh, so? Don't option, shift, return and the rest need to be translated, too? What difference does it make? It will finally have the correct terminology on every international keyboard. Sounds good to me.
As for "Open Apple" -- now that's just plain stupid. There's no "closed Apple", so noone who wasn't around in ancient times would have any idea what is meant by "Open". When I first read that I thought it had something to do with the command "Open" in the File menu, or that there was a separate "open" key back in the day. As if the Apple/Command thing wasn't confusing enough! I hope none of you guys do tech support.
Would it please you whiners if they put the Apple somewhere else? Maybe on one of those keys nobody uses like 'home'. Even on the command key it was just branding, nothing more, for the last few decades, so it could really go anywhere. Or maybe they could distribute little mini versions of the white Apple stickers, just with the keyboards, so you could decide for yourself
I'm going to chime in.
Those who are arguing over the fact that there isn't an Apple logo on command key need to get a bloody life. Command is command. FULL STOP. Simple eh?
Secondly, what is wrong with Apple's original keyboard? The new design IMO looks as if it would barely last five minutes. I've dropped my wireless keybord several times and refuses to seize.
Those who are arguing over the fact that there isn't an Apple logo on command key need to get a bloody life. Command is command. FULL STOP. Simple eh?
Secondly, what is wrong with Apple's original keyboard? The new design IMO looks as if it would barely last five minutes. I've dropped my wireless keybord several times and refuses to seize.
just to comment that Spain store corrected the image and now they show the one without the apple, but as for the Specifications comparative between the 4 models... they still say that the wifi is G instead of N.
Wow, so much over so little. Oh, next Apple might just fill in that little bite in the logo, and all bloody hell will break loose.
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withnail knows... Here's the full story.
To lazy to read it? Steve doesn't agree with Clive.
honestly i could care less about the
the media keys would of be perfect over the "help/home/page up" keys and left the rest where the were
Now some of the easiest to hit keys are unassigned by default? (Above help/home/pageup AND the number pad -- formerly eject and volume controls.)
I assume this is to be consistent with the optional mini-me bluetooth keyboard that maybe 5% of customers will buy? Wow.
Wow, so much over so little. Oh, next Apple might just fill in that little bite in the logo, and all bloody hell will break loose.
Apple filling the bite in their logo would probably be bigger news than the iPhone.
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Wow, so much over so little. Oh, next Apple might just fill in that little bite in the logo, and all bloody hell will break loose.
Changing a corporate logo is actually quite a big deal. The reason most companies don't do it too often is because that image is easily recognized by many people, and changing it might cause confusion and a loss of brand awareness. Frankly, I think the lack of an Apple logo is not a good thing. For the past few decades, people have become comfortable knowing that the Apple key will be there for certain things. Now all that has changed.
I know it's really called command but a lot of people called it the "apple key" (possibly because they are used to the windows key). Anyways it might lead to a bit of confusion but who cares, it won't be too big of a deal.
But there is no generally recognized international icon or symbol for "Command" prior to Apple inventing it. The key was called Apple pre-Mac and Macs have always had the apple on the key for the last decade. Only a lunatic would think they could change 150 million users by scrubbing out something they are familiar with.
One compromise I can think of is to shrink the horrible command icon (which means nothing when you see it) and put it inside the apple icon.
If I tell a novice use press "apple-S", they know what to do. If I say press "command-S" I have to explain which is the command key. (Which is obviously the logic behind the internal political design fight that resulted in the end of the apple.) Apple is faster to say and it's much better for the marketing department that we say it often.
So:
The computer designers called it the Apple key.
Steve thew a fit because there were too many apples on the screen.
They misused a Swedish symbol for campground landmark to mean command.
Userss still call it the apple key.
It's time the swedes took legal action against inappropriate usage of their icon and claimed licence fees. Long live Apple.
PS Wikipedia knows more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command_key
"It is used in Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden as a symbol of "sites of historical or touristic interest", for example church ruins, museums, interesting natural formations, and so forth. It is used as a roadsign at such places."
How does the Apple key avoid that? There is no on-screen cue for the logo key. All documentation based on Apple guidelines has been calling it the command key since 1984. The Apple logo on the key does not make any sense to anyone who doesn't know its history. It certainly doesn't make any sense to a first-time user who wants to know what it does, because the answer is nothing. At least the "alt" tag on the control key is useful in terminals and when running Linux/Windows.
The other icon, the Bowen knot/Saint-whatever cross, on the other hand, appears on screen, in print documentation, and in the Apple official character map. It was simply an exercise in sloth that people called it the Apple key casually.
I've been using Macs for eighteen years and I'd never heard "Open Apple" before today. You live and learn.
...and the original PowerBooks were slate grey, which showed off the rainbow Apple a treat. Them's were the good ole days...