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The Kindle is nice and all but:

The problem I have with Kindle is the lack of support for color. At least for a browser of technical books, illustrations, maps and other things that come in book form. Well that and open standards.

When or if Apple goes after this market I hope they leave that world behind and adopt an open format. Frankly I like what they are doing with HTML in other initiatives. PDF would be to bad either. The goal in either case would be the incorporation of good text control, color, pics & graphics. The ability to zoom is huge. I could also see a use for Java Script.

The goal is to make the new document package compelling. I just don't see a big draw for plain text paged documents for electronic use. This is why HTML is more appealing. Notably here I don't see E-Books replaceing paper novels anytime soon, rather the big opportunities are in magazine and journal publishing, technical books, text books and other reference materials. Ideally such documents would be readable in compliant web browsers in stead of special readers.


Dave
 
This is probably directly related to Barnes and Noble's nook, and the fact that they have e-book reader software for every company.

since when is macrumors a direct spokesman for Amazon, I sure hope they're paying arn for this coverage ;)
 
The problem I have with Kindle is the lack of support for color. At least for a browser of technical books, illustrations, maps and other things that come in book form. Well that and open standards...

As soon as color e-ink is available (at the right price point), you will see a color Kindle. It's true that being B&W-only sucks a little bit, but I would have to say that 95% (at least) of the books I've read in my life had no use for color, and I only see that number going up.
 
The problem I have with Kindle is the lack of support for color. At least for a browser of technical books, illustrations, maps and other things that come in book form. Well that and open standards.

When or if Apple goes after this market I hope they leave that world behind and adopt an open format. Frankly I like what they are doing with HTML in other initiatives. PDF would be to bad either. The goal in either case would be the incorporation of good text control, color, pics & graphics. The ability to zoom is huge. I could also see a use for Java Script.

The goal is to make the new document package compelling. I just don't see a big draw for plain text paged documents for electronic use. This is why HTML is more appealing. Notably here I don't see E-Books replaceing paper novels anytime soon, rather the big opportunities are in magazine and journal publishing, technical books, text books and other reference materials. Ideally such documents would be readable in compliant web browsers in stead of special readers.


Dave

The color isn't Kindle's fault. It's just that we haven't reach to that point yet where we can get color e-ink. It is still years away from commercialization.

As for HTML "open" standard, you do realize it already exist and it's called ePUB? It's XML based instead of HTML. It can work on any device that supports ePUB including web browsers. Unfortuntely we're doom to repeat the same thing as we experienced with mp3, majority of the publishers are going to keep using DRM technology to lock down rights for a long while before we start to see the DRM-free trend for it, it might be faster than MP3 industry but history does repeat itself.
 
WOOT. This is awesome news for those of us who use the iPhone app. I'm itching for a Kindle just for, well, I dunno. But if this is happening and that forever-rumored tablet becomes real, that could mean my hope of Amazon focusing more on selling the books than making the devices could come true.

Just awesome.
 
Lol, the question is where is a silly Kindle in most Apple fans list of priorities.;)

Quite high on mine, the Kindle is my favorite electronic device that I've bought in a long time. It does everything that I need it to, is logically laid out and works perfectly. I have to say that if Apple came out with their tablet and it had e-book capabilities, I would not be selling my Kindle for it.
 
Actually I misspoke there as HTML was on my mind too.

Why PDF? Why not just simple, plain, text? Or rather, RTF.
Plain text works for simple novels or books, it however sucks for those uses that I think Apple can break into the industry with. To get the market going Apple needs a format that is powerful in it's ability to decorate text and supply additional elements to a publication.

You see, from my perspective initial success here will require a buy in from the publishers of magazines and journals, technical books and other rich content. Computer readable plain text novels have been around a long time but they have yet set the world on fire. Part of that is due to current hardware limitations but part is due to people preferring paper when curling up with a novel. Doing and end run around novels to address those publications that can make use of color, pictures and other content could better boot strap the industry.
The only formatting needed is paragraph tabbing, spacing and the occasional centered header.
Not for the publications that are needed to get the E-Book and publishing industry moving forward with electronic media. Frankly an electronic magazine needs to offer more not less when it comes to replacing printed publications.
PDF locks you into specific page structure. RTF allows the page to adapt to the size of the display and still keep the text at a readable size.
Sometimes that page structure is very important especially in technical publications. I will have to admit though that modern HTML offers more here. On the other hand PDF has a side benefit when it comes to zooming in on something.

The key here is to avoid dismissing one format simply because it is different.
I'm perfectly happy with Stanza on my iPhone; I tried the Kindle software and couldn't do a thing with it. I couldn't change text color, I couldn't change formatting, and I certainly didn't like the prices of their available library. So far my Stanza and every book in it has been free. (Project Gutenberg, I love you!)

It certainly works well with the books published by Project Gutenberg but their plain text usage also limits what they can publish. I understand some of their concerns but how do you publish a plain text math book or an instructional text.


Dave
 
It is a huge problem for the publishing industry.

The color isn't Kindle's fault. It's just that we haven't reach to that point yet where we can get color e-ink. It is still years away from commercialization.
It's kindles fault in that the screen limits the types of materials it can attrack. Few if any magazines could be effectively published to the device. Not even the larger distribution newspapers can publish all of their content on the device. That due to the lack of color.

The problem is Kindle went after the hardest part of the market in my estimation. People like their paper novels. However papers and magazines often end up in the trash. That actually makes them a good candidate for electronic publishing.

I didn't even get into all of the books that justifiably use color for publication.
As for HTML "open" standard, you do realize it already exist and it's called ePUB? It's XML based instead of HTML. It can work on any device that supports ePUB including web browsers.
Which major publisher has adopted ePUB? Can I get an ePUB version of astronomy or any of my other favorite publications. What's the distribution method. Apple has the ability to clear up all of these issues and to get the market started.
Unfortuntely we're doom to repeat the same thing as we experienced with mp3, majority of the publishers are going to keep using DRM technology to lock down rights for a long while before we start to see the DRM-free trend for it, it might be faster than MP3 industry but history does repeat itself.
Yeah that is a big concern!!!!! DRM is exactly what we don't need. Not so much because it restricts your ability to resell what is yours so much as it ties files to certain devices.

For example I don't resell any of my magazines but I do give them away. The same pretty much applies to old books as they are useally worthless when I get rid of them. But here and there you might be successful in getting a little cash from an old book. DRM blows this out of the water and frankly sucks.


Dave
 
I don't know about this one... Reading books of my macbook sounds like one hell of a headache waiting to happen but it would be lighter on the back to have to just carry a laptop instead of that and a book

I agree. I can see this software used on a potential Apple tablet though. But it's too late for last ditch shotgun approaches like this.

Amazon is desperately trying to corner the ebook market before Apple, B&N, and who knows else moves in. They may have been first to the party, except for Sony, but I doubt they will be the market leader in the end.

Amazon has priced the hardware too high. It's not like they are Apple who has a great reputation for hardware or a vast ecosystem. All the holdouts will end up buying other devices than the Kindle. Amazon has blown its opportunity.
 
It's kindles fault in that the screen limits the types of materials it can attrack. Few if any magazines could be effectively published to the device. Not even the larger distribution newspapers can publish all of their content on the device. That due to the lack of color.
No it isn't the Kindle's fault. Stop misrepresenting a brand when you are talking about the e-ink technology in general. Your comments refers to every single device that uses e-ink.

The magazines and newspapers is responsible for their own content, they aren't usually used to publishing to new media, including e-book reader. Newspaper shouldn't be a problem considering none of them actually prints in color, most of them are in black which is what e-book reader is perfect for. Both the manufacturers and the newspaper is at fault here for not trying to make their content accessible for ebook readers. Amazon is trying to push NYT newspaper on the ebook readers but there are still issues that need to be stomped out.

The problem is Kindle went after the hardest part of the market in my estimation. People like their paper novels. However papers and magazines often end up in the trash. That actually makes them a good candidate for electronic publishing.
Again, this applies to any e-book reader in general. It is up to the magazines and the novel publishers to make their content accessible for the Kindle. Amazon or any ebook manufacturers can only do so much, Amazon in general are allowing their consumers to send a request to the publisher to make their novel available for the Kindle.

Which major publisher has adopted ePUB? Can I get an ePUB version of astronomy or any of my other favorite publications. What's the distribution method. Apple has the ability to clear up all of these issues and to get the market started.

The ebook industry has been around for a decade or so, starting with MS reader format and some Palm format. Ever year there is a new format with even more screwed up closed system with DRM. ePub has started to appear within the last few years and they are increasing right now with the BN announcing major support for ePUB (with Adobe's DRM unfortunately), Sony announced ePUB support a year ago. Publishers are going to use whatever formats that will allow their content to reach the largest market possible. This wasn't possible a few years ago with multiple formats such as MS Reader, Palm, Mobipocket, eReader, PDFs and so on. We need to cut it down to one format that'll be accessible for all ebook readers but that's not going to happen as long as the stores make their own readers. Just like Apple made it all happen by making iPod only usable with iTunes. Apple isn't perfect, they were using a closed format as well in the beginning. So don't pin all your hopes on Apple as it will take years for the market to evolute around Apple just like the iTunes/iPod. Unfortunately, this may be the only area where I can see Apple failing but I would love them to be able to succeed.

Update: I forgot to mention there is a strong possibility that Amazon will be pressured into supporting the ePub format as they are the only one that doesn't.

For example I don't resell any of my magazines but I do give them away. The same pretty much applies to old books as they are useally worthless when I get rid of them. But here and there you might be successful in getting a little cash from an old book. DRM blows this out of the water and frankly sucks.
Unfortunately, that isn't going to happen. Many publishers expressed interests in electronic publishing because it allows them to do one thing that is not possible with paper books, to be extremely restrictive in how many times a book can be shared and in this case, one time for the owner. Remember it is after all more profit for them in the end by doing this, by cutting out all publishing costs, they can sell ebooks at lower cost, effectively turning the publishing business into a low-cost large volume type of business like Dell. In many stores, the books can't even be downloaded more than 5 times for some reason as well. It's the most retarded thing ever but that's the problem with DRM. I do expect there to be some kind of family household DRM loose restriction like they do on Kindle, when there's up to 5 kindles that can be registered to the same amazon account so that all 5 family members can have the same library of books bought.
 
Why are Mac versions always an afterthought? Don't people know by now that OS X is where it's at nowadays? Long gone are the days of 1% marketshare.

10% of the market, while much greater than 1% of the market, is but 10% of the market.
 
Amazon has priced the hardware too high. It's not like they are Apple who has a great reputation for hardware or a vast ecosystem. All the holdouts will end up buying other devices than the Kindle. Amazon has blown its opportunity.

I'm not so sure about that. They can always cut prices to their hardware to sell more of it, but Amazon's main goal is selling the content. They will make a lot more money selling $10 ebooks on Kindles, PCs, Macs and some sort of Mac Tablet than by selling them on the Kindle alone.

I wouldn't even be surprised if the Kindle was gone one day but Amazon remained the far-and-away #1 seller of ebooks.
 
10% of the market, while much greater than 1% of the market, is but 10% of the market.

But that 10% is millions of computers. There really is no reason work on the Mac version of software after the Windows version anymore.
 
But that 10% is millions of computers. There really is no reason work on the Mac version of software after the Windows version anymore.

Let's say Apple has 1 million potential users of the app. That means there's another 9 million potential users on the other side of the fence (assuming there's equal interest between Mac & Windows users).

From a business perspective, which makes more sense?

1. Focus your efforts on the 9 million Windows customers first - getting your app out to market as soon as you can. You can follow up a couple months later to satisfy the remaining population of 1 million.

2. Delay the app for those two months (or however long it takes to port the app to OS X and QA it), and potentially lose those two months worth of immediate sales and mindshare.
 
Well, Amazon, without releasing a lower priced ereader, hurt their chances to really capture the ebook market. Still, I love my Kindle2. It works very well and reading is a pleasure, especially outside. Also, adding new books is fast (via whispersync).

As for the rumored iTablet, it sounds great. Yes, it probably will do a lot more. However, it will be priced way higher that the Kindle. By then, the Kindle's price should be a lot lower than at present.
 
What we don't know is what Apple is doing with their rumored tablet device.

What we do know is that Amazon has the Kindle -- a device I simply cannot find a way to like.

What we do know is that Barnes & Noble has introduced their own eBook reader -- a device that really does have my interest.

I'm waiting for several reasons. If this were a competition between devices already on the market, B&N has my money. Apple may change that opinion.

Agreed. I'm waiting for the same reasons.
 
Why? I don't think Apple is going to do their own book store. BN and Amazon will do it for them.



let's see, they have an app store, music store, video store, tv store, podcast... books might be a logical next step. besides, they'll be able to get electronic copies...
 
... and the iPhone app is still US only.

i used the kindle iPhone app in india. every day. i buy books on the amazon website, and the next time i launch the app when i have wifi, the books are automagically delivered.
they are easy to read, you can bookmark pages to find them later, and it really beats carry around all that extra weight. i now have 2 dozen books with me at all times. i could never carry that many around in my backpack here in india.

iphone 2g, unlocked and using vodofone in india.
pogoplank, tonefx, and haptic pro
 
As soon as color e-ink is available (at the right price point), you will see a color Kindle. It's true that being B&W-only sucks a little bit, but I would have to say that 95% (at least) of the books I've read in my life had no use for color, and I only see that number going up.

You don't necessarily need color e-ink, IMO.

The pixelqi hybrid e-ink/LCD screens will probably be good enough.
B&W e-ink for low power and general book reading
ability to do color when you need it (color pages, web browsing, etc.).
 
Which is one of the many reasons if I get one it will be a Nook.

based on what's currently announced ... I wont get a Nook. It's great that it's android based, but the Nook and the Alex are basically just a Kindle, with the keyboard being replaced by an LCD touch screen (for virtual keyboard, android apps, etc.).

The MUCH more interesting device, IMO, is the Entourage eDGe. Two panels (e-ink with stylus support, LCD touch screen), 10" panels, 360 degree hinge (ie. can fold the panels to be back to back), full Android app support on a 1024x600 screen, etc. Sort of like a Microsoft Courier, but with a real OS. Oh, and support for various e-book formats (possibly also for the nook e-books). Support for virtual and bluetooth keyboards (maybe for usb keyboards).

An Apple Mac OS X (not iPhone) based 10" tablet might be more enticing, with Amazon, Nook, and open E-book formats. Especially if it has the pixelqi hybrid display, and multi-touch, SDHC card slot, SSD options, LONG battery life, support for virtual, usb, and bluetooth keyboards/mice, and display port.

But, if Apple doesn't release an AMAZING 10" tablet in January, I'll definitely be buying the Entourage eDGe in February.
 
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