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People are nuts for thinking there’s a massive and noticeable difference from 256kbps or 320kbps and up -Yes, there is an audible difference if you are listening on top of the line speakers or headphones. But not on small headsets.

The real, important difference is heard when going from 96kbps to 128kbps, 128 to 192, 192 to 256, etc.

I’ve seen several blind tests done with audio experts and most of them can’t even tell the difference, and those that can need a lot of time to decide what is lossless and what is not.

Yes. Generally speaking your speaker quality will make much more difference than a 256Kbps AAC and Lossless Codec.

Much more interested in the energy cost and latency involved. Which I think will be the area for innovation.
 
Sounds great! Pun intended!
Wonder if the lossless will only be compatible with something new in iPhone 14. ?
 
Two concerns for me:
1. Does lossless for Apple Music only? Does it support streaming local lossless music for lossless support? No, “download offline” does NOT count.

2. How much it will improve connectivity between apple devices? Will it work better than generic Bluetooth headphone in terms of connecting to a device?

Waiting to see how apple will answer these two issues.
 
Lossless cannot happen under bluetooth. This will probably be only available via wifi.
I'd rather bet on UWB:

The chip is Apple-designed (which they seem to prefer as of late), and it would enable better localization, lower latency, and lower power consumption.

I don't know about chip size(which one is bigger), also I think not everybody would like to have a WiFi transmitter attached to the ear.
 
This sentence doesn’t make any sense.

I would expect Apple is developing their own competitor to Qualcomm’s aptX Lossless to provide the required features over the Bluetooth connection.

I'm guessing Apple will employ a proprietary derivative of their UWB tech to support wider bandwidths and much lower power consumption. It's tech Apple already has experience with.
 
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I haven't lost my Airpod case yet, but have misplaced a few buds that fall out and scoot in strange places, and lost one riding my bicycle outside once. I find the 'find my iPhone' sound so hard to triangulate very often. It seems to be the right frequency to bounce off walls and make finding it just a little more difficult, and frustrating. Are other people experiencing that? So an Airpod case that has that capability sounds less a good idea, and more an offer for frustration, and those ports getting clogged with debris, and potentially swamped with sweat, water, moisture...

I wonder if this is an obfuscation provided by Apple? Putting a speaker in the case doesn't make much sense, to me. *shrug*

We will see...
 
I'd rather bet on UWB:

The chip is Apple-designed (which they seem to prefer as of late), and it would enable better localization, lower latency, and lower power consumption.

I don't know about chip size(which one is bigger), also I think not everybody would like to have a WiFi transmitter attached to the ear.

Epidemiologists have said for years that the jury is still out on the effects of cell phone radiation on humans. There have been research papers hinting at an increase of illness, so I, for one, wouldn't be comfortable having something like that on MY head...
 
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I would expect Apple is developing their own competitor to Qualcomm’s aptX Lossless
Which isn’t fully lossless.

Lossless cannot happen under bluetooth. This will probably be only available via wifi.
There is no law of nature saying it can’t happen, but it’s been difficult to push lossless compression that far, at least.

FLAC can be streamed over Bluetooth using aptx compression.
Flac and aptX are separate encodings. AptX isn’t fully lossless at Bluetooth bandwidth.
 
It’ll be interesting to see what technology Apple uses to allow for lossless over wireless. I hope this means that Apple is planning on another iteration of the AirPods Max. I want to keep seeing Apple push the boundaries of high quality sound from wireless headphones. I have the Sennheiser HD 650s with a DAC and amp. I’d love to be able to get very similar sound quality but with the convenience and portability of AirPods/Apple ecosystem and wireless. Unfortunately, with Apple’s history of high-end audio devices, i fear the AirPods Max will be a one-time thing with it being discontinued in a few years.
 
Which isn’t fully lossless.


There is no law of nature saying it can’t happen, but it’s been difficult to push lossless compression that far, at least.


Flac and aptX are separate encodings. AptX isn’t fully lossless at Bluetooth bandwidth.

For bicyclists, there has been a call for a new updated Bluetooth, and ANT+ protocol systems. Maybe the industry charge is to branch them into more usable products in the future. ANT+ especially. Raising the bandwidth of Bluetooth would be welcomed.
 
I have a love hate relationship with AirPods because they always die on me but at the same time they are so convenient.

AirPod Gen 1: left AirPod died
AirPod Gen 1: holds a charge of about 30 min now
AirPod Pro: left AirPod died
AirPod Pro: cracking sounds
AirPod Pro: now the charging case just died … first the little light did not work anymore and now it does not charge via cable anymore but it does seem to pass through the energy to the AirPods because they still charge inside the case. So weird

No more AirPods without AppleCare+ after this
 
What I am completely missing from this thread is the horrible, horrible quality of the mic of the current AirPod pros. I cannot do anything when I am on the phone with someone. Grabbing my keys? Sounds like someone is ringing churchbells inside your head if you are on the other side of the line. Opening a door? Sounds like the gates of hell themselves are opening up.

If the second generation is as horrible as the first, this will be a hard ***** pass for me.
 
I haven't lost my Airpod case yet, but have misplaced a few buds that fall out and scoot in strange places, and lost one riding my bicycle outside once. I find the 'find my iPhone' sound so hard to triangulate very often. It seems to be the right frequency to bounce off walls and make finding it just a little more difficult, and frustrating. Are other people experiencing that? So an Airpod case that has that capability sounds less a good idea, and more an offer for frustration, and those ports getting clogged with debris, and potentially swamped with sweat, water, moisture...

I wonder if this is an obfuscation provided by Apple? Putting a speaker in the case doesn't make much sense, to me. *shrug*

We will see...
Well to be fair I’ve had the AirPods since they first came out. Then moved onto the AirPods 2 and then pros. I’d not lost a case or AirPods up until the AirTags came out. However I have anxiety that I will lose the case so I’ve attached an airtag to my AirPods Pro case but I would find this new feature really helpful.
 
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I’m excited about this if it really comes to fruition. I can’t believe that at the end of this year apple took a 3-years gap between the 1st and 2nd gen APP’s. I don’t give much about fitness tracking but lossless support would be so worth the wait. Definitely going to upgrade my current 11 pro and APP this year.
 
I was really surprised when they actually updated the charging case to support MagSafe, but didn’t add any other features. My only guess would be iOS 16 supporting reverse MagSafe charging from iPhone to AirPods. God forbid they added Qi reverse wireless charging for older AirPods and non-Apple devices.

But yeah, they better add a sound-emitting case with U1.

The current Find My capabilities are basically useless and hardly work. I often get notifications that I left my AirPods behind when they’re actually still with me.
Does that case actually stick to the back of iPhones? I believe the polarity of the magnets is the same so they wouldn’t work together, it should only stick to MagSafe chargers, therefore reverse wireless charging wouldn’t work.
 
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Are they going to fix the problem that these don't fit like a third the population's ears and can't properly seal and fall out with any amount of rigorous activity? As has been reported ad-nauseam in countless product reviews?
 
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How about added tips that are smaller than what is available in the current APPs? Apple had to take 2 hits from me returning brand new AP3 and APP because these accessories were Too Big for my ear openings. Then Apple took another hit when I returned brand new AP2 because I could get them for $15 less a week after I bought the ones I returned.
 
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