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Zanc

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Hope Apple have sorted out their reliability. I've had three earpieces fail on me. I'll be very careful before buying a new pair.
 
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jazz1

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Amazing lossless is much better quality I don’t care about virtual surround spacial audio I want higher quality audio
I'm not a fan of spacial audio for music listening. I call it "spaced out" audio ;). I did like it for some movie watching, on new movies. However, to my ears it gets really weird sounding on old movies/old television series. For instance The Saint.
 
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anthogag

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Ouch, rub it in :eek::oops:. But a least I didn't pay $550.00 for them :p. Has there ever been any other Apple hardware that became outdated so quickly (assuming this new tech. happens)?

AirPods Max is not outdated. There will be a new one to play lossless.

Perhaps it will be less expensive the 2nd time around. Maybe Apple priced current AirPods Max higher to signify quality.
 
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TinyMito

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Stermless design is stupid as F... my current Airpod Pro battery life is pretty limited already and that rumor designs - are we looking at 1 hour playback? LOL

Whoever designed that, pretty much like Ive... form over function. So Pro nay...
 

doobydoooby

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This conversation about lossless audio on airpods pro makes about as much sense as the megapixel competition on point and shoot cheap cameras, i.e. none at all. Airpods pro just aren't fabulous headphones, at best they are kinda low grade average, so who cares if they receive slightly more data from the source? Even if the dynamic range of the data is massive, the headphones just aren't equipped to deliver it, and i really doubt version 2 will suddenly change that to give us the wow factor. There are so many great sounding headphones out there, ones that blow your socks off; even bluetooth ones that are a million times better than airpods pro such as the latest Sony ones, so it isn't data loss that's the problem, its the sheer mechanics of their speakers not being good enough. Airpods and pro's have the convenience factor built in, thats why they are great with an iphone. But lets not say its for sound quality!
 

DarwinOSX

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It’s pretty pointless to use a lossless codec in earbuds such as the AirPods Pro: the benefit is too small compared to the cost.

AAC 256 is pretty transparent and difficult to spot even when using high end speakers in a perfect listening environment (no background noise).

Lossless on AirPods will only achieve <1% better sound while consuming 20-50% more battery.
That’s all ********.
 

DarwinOSX

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Stermless design is stupid as F... my current Airpod Pro battery life is pretty limited already and that rumor designs - are we looking at 1 hour playback? LOL

Whoever designed that, pretty much like Ive... form over function. So Pro nay...
You are making a lot of assumptions as if they were fact. But I’m sure you know more than apple engineers right?
 
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DarwinOSX

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This conversation about lossless audio on airpods pro makes about as much sense as the megapixel competition on point and shoot cheap cameras, i.e. none at all. Airpods pro just aren't fabulous headphones, at best they are kinda low grade average, so who cares if they receive slightly more data from the source? Even if the dynamic range of the data is massive, the headphones just aren't equipped to deliver it, and i really doubt version 2 will suddenly change that to give us the wow factor. There are so many great sounding headphones out there, ones that blow your socks off; even bluetooth ones that are a million times better than airpods pro such as the latest Sony ones, so it isn't data loss that's the problem, its the sheer mechanics of their speakers not being good enough. Airpods and pro's have the convenience factor built in, thats why they are great with an iphone. But lets not say its for sound quality!
All wrong. But hey this is the internet where anyone can say a lot of nonsense.
 

hagar

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Jan 19, 2008
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If people want these, even while they can’t hear the difference, Apple is right in selling those.

They will move more AirPods, there will be a shift to bigger iPhone storage as the music files get bigger, maybe even the iPhone 14 pro will be required for compatibility, … good for business.
 

szw-mapple fan

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Lossless audio not supported on the $550 AirPods Max.

It’s funny but at the same time also a bit unfair to the Max. In wired mode it’s not completely identical to the original lossless because of the ADC but even with 24-bit 48 kHz lossless audio the difference is small enough that even the most picky audiophiles won’t be able to hear any difference. Hi-Res Lossless of 24-bit 192 kHz audio with a DAC will be downsampled to 24-bit 48 kHz so again in this case it won’t be a 1-to-1 of High-Res lossless but it should be about the same or better than regular lossless.

Additionally, the advantage of doing the ADC in the first place isn’t mentioned as much. The Max is able to do near lossless audio while still being able to use Noise cancellation and transparency, unlike the XM4 and Bose 700 in wired mode.
 
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8CoreWhore

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Jan 17, 2008
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People are nuts for thinking there’s a massive and noticeable difference from 256kbps or 320kbps and up -Yes, there is an audible difference if you are listening on top of the line speakers or headphones. But not on small headsets.

The real, important difference is heard when going from 96kbps to 128kbps, 128 to 192, 192 to 256, etc.

I’ve seen several blind tests done with audio experts and most of them can’t even tell the difference, and those that can need a lot of time to decide what is lossless and what is not.
I'm wondering about other features that may benefit from more bandwidth, like Spatial Audio, and whatever they'll be doing with AR/VR.
 
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_Spinn_

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So it won't use Bluetooth then. I wonder if they will connect directly via WiFi or if Apple will have their own proprietary solution? Seems the previous article about Bluetooth being the bottleneck was a hit towards something like this.

I really wish the new Apple TV remote and AirPods 3 natively supported the U1 chip.
 

xpxp2002

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Bluetooth 5 has the throughput for lossless at 2 Mbps. Not sure why everybody is insisting that it doesn’t. It will just require a new, proprietary Bluetooth audio profile to support it — just like aptX lossless does.
 

TokMok3

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It does not matter how innovative the headphones are, when connected to a mediocre sound source as the iPhone DAC it's a waste of resources and a bad experience. They need to bring back a new version of the iPod Classic exclusively for music enjoyment (playing) those who have tasted the nectar of high quality sounds knows what I mean.
 
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