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As are you but it invalidates your pricing strategy opinion.
So not only do you disbelieve practically every economist out there that says because of these tariffs then prices will go up as a consequence

Your now disbelieving the definition of what a base model is
I’m definitely disengaging with this because you must be at it
 
Your arguing about a definition of something that describes what the iPhone 16E that is why it replaced the previous base model & then got a 180 price increase
As a precursor as to what’s coming in September
Yes. I’m arguing the 16e is the entry level iPhone and the price increased on that model relative to the SE for reasons only Apple knows. In the same vein as the SE last year was the entry level iPhone.

The 17 base model(not the 17e which would be the entry level iPhone) may or may not get a price increase, based on factors you will not know.
 
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Yes. I’m arguing the 16e is the entry level iPhone and the price increased on that model relative to the SE for reasons only Apple knows. In the same vein as the SE last year was the entry level iPhone.

The 17 base model(not the 17e which would be the entry level iPhone) may or may not get a price increase, based on factors you will not know.
Entry level & base model is the exact same thing

The price has increased as to factor in the tariffs because come September the 15’s will get removed & 16 pros will get removed and then what you will probably find is the 16’s will get less of a price cut and the new ones will get a price increase because of the tariffs
 


U.S. President Donald Trump on Wednesday announced that massive tariffs will be applied to imports from many countries, starting April 9. The tariffs will significantly impact Apple's supply chain, with iPhones and other products imported to the U.S. from China, India, and Vietnam set to face 54%, 26%, and 46% tariffs, respectively.

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Apple supply chain analyst Ming-Chi Kuo today said that if Apple does not raise prices, its overall gross profit margin could face a significant drop of 8.5% to 9%, due to the tariffs significantly raising costs. However, he outlined five ways in which Apple can reduce the impact of the tariffs on its gross margins going forward:

  • Apple can boost iPhone production in India. Kuo said if India can secure tariff exemptions through new trading agreements with the U.S., and Apple boosts its iPhone production capacity there to over 30% of its global supply, the negative impact on gross margins could shrink to just 1% to 3%.
  • Apple could raise prices on iPhone Pro models. In the U.S. market, Kuo said high-end iPhones account for 65-70% of new model sales, and he believes that "high-end consumers are relatively more accepting of price increases." So, the Pro and Pro Max models could see price increases, if absolutely necessary.
  • Apple could increase carrier subsidies for iPhones.
  • Apple could reduce trade-in values to partially offset the costs of tariffs.
  • Apple could put even greater pressure on its suppliers to cut costs.
Apple's overall gross margin was 46% in the 2024 fiscal year. Gross margin is a profitability metric that indicates the percentage of money that Apple earns on a product like an iPhone after subtracting the costs of making the product. Even if Apple's gross margin drops below 40%, Kuo believes this dip "should be short-lived."

Apple's stock price dropped more than 9% since Trump's announcement.

Note: Due to the political or social nature of the discussion regarding this topic, the discussion thread is located in our Political News forum. All forum members and site visitors are welcome to read and follow the thread, but posting is limited to forum members with at least 100 posts.

Article Link: Kuo: Apple Can Reduce Impact of Trump's Massive Tariffs in Five Ways
It’s interesting that the article doesn’t mention that Apple could bring manufacturing back to the United States. I don’t believe it will significantly increase the cost if they bring manufacturing back to the United States. There is fearmongering going on as some articles claim that it will drive the price of an iPhone up to over $2000. Apple doesn’t manufacture its products in other countries like China or Vietnam so that consumers can save money. They simply do this for profit reasons. And I'm sorry to say that individual consumers who are more concerned about the price of their electronic device (s) and not about how Apple and other companies are knowingly employing people for all intensive purposes to be slave workers is unethical and immoral!
 
Entry level & base model is the exact same thing
No it’s not. The same as a civic is not an accord.
The price has increased as to factor in the tariffs because come September the 15’s will get removed & 16 pros will get removed and then what you will probably find is the 16’s will get less of a price cut and the new ones will get a price increase because of the tariffs
The price has increased for reasons unknown to you. Come September the base model iPhone 17 will be at $799 same as today, while the upper models will bear the brunt of any increases.
 
No it’s not. The same as a civic is not an accord.

The price has increased for reasons unknown to you. Come September the base model iPhone 17 will be at $799 same as today, while the upper models will bear the brunt of any increases.
I don’t think we can look at history to determine what will happen in the current situation.
The 16e could really see an increase in sales though. Whatever you want to call it, it will become more valuable to those looking for an iPhone without paying the highest prices.
 
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It’s interesting that the article doesn’t mention that Apple could bring manufacturing back to the United States. I don’t believe it will significantly increase the cost if they bring manufacturing back to the United States. There is fearmongering going on as some articles claim that it will drive the price of an iPhone up to over $2000. Apple doesn’t manufacture its products in other countries like China or Vietnam so that consumers can save money. They simply do this for profit reasons. And I'm sorry to say that individual consumers who are more concerned about the price of their electronic device (s) and not about how Apple and other companies are knowingly employing people for all intensive purposes to be slave workers is unethical and immoral!
Nobody is disputing that for example the people who make the iPhones get paid $2.88 an hour & have to work about 14 hours straight is wrong
However even if Apple did bring production back to the US it would take the best part of a decade to actually do it
Because remember the work force is non existent & I believe Apple sell about 150 million iPhones a year.
Companies like ford can easily bring their factories back from Mexico in quicker time

There are just some tariffs on countries that make no sense like Ireland & Canada for a start
 
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No it’s not. The same as a civic is not an accord.

The price has increased for reasons unknown to you. Come September the base model iPhone 17 will be at $799 same as today, while the upper models will bear the brunt of any increases.
I just need to ask are you trolling?

Because every economist has said Apple will put their prices up come September & you simply keep arguing with people who do this for a living?
 
I just need to ask are you trolling?
Because every economist has said Apple will put their prices up come September & you simply keep arguing with people who do this for a living?
So you accuse one of trolling because of their opinion? It’s up to the individual to believe what they want about where this will go. And whether the 16E is an entry level or base model, etc.

And what the ultimate impact is. And then plan accordingly.
 
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So you accuse one of trolling because of their opinion? It’s up to the individual to believe what they want about where this will go. And whether the 16E is an entry level or base model, etc.

And what the ultimate impact is. And then plan accordingly.
It’s fine to have an opinion however when every economist has said that prices will go up & Apple will have to put them up
Your still disagreeing with it
Even Warren Buffett says it
 
It’s fine to have an opinion however when every economist has said that prices will go up & Apple will have to put them up
Your still disagreeing with it
Even Warren Buffett says it
The economists and buffet are saying what? The 16E is the base model? As opposed to the “budget” model?

Or Mr. Cook is already taking Kuos’ advice?
 
The economists and buffet are saying what? The 16E is the base model? As opposed to the “budget” model?

Or Mr. Cook is already taking Kuos’ advice?
That companies affected with the tariffs will increase prices
So that ultimately means come September 4 iPhones will get removed from sale
Then the new iPhones will get a price increase
The 16’s will get a little reduction less than than this year’s equivalent
Then the 16E will stay the same price because the tariff increase has been factored into the cost already in the current price point.
This is what will probably happen
 
That companies affected with the tariffs will increase prices
So that ultimately means come September 4 iPhones will get removed from sale
Then the new iPhones will get a price increase
The 16’s will get a little reduction less than than this year’s equivalent
Then the 16E will stay the same price because the tariff increase has been factored into the cost already in the current price point.
This is what will probably happen
You can get ready for the upcoming “tarrifpocalypse” as you see fit and I will as I see fit.

The entry level 16E and the iPhone 16 lineup will drop in price and the iphone 17 base will remain $799. The other models might take a hit.
 
You can get ready for the upcoming “tarrifpocalypse” as you see fit and I will as I see fit.

The entry level 16E and the iPhone 16 lineup will drop in price and the iphone 17 base will remain $799. The other models might take a hit.
I’m assuming you must be a well known Economist if you know something that experts don’t in regards to price increases?

How many price cuts did the last iPhone SE get after 6 months?
 
No matter what, what? In other words, where is the line drawn?
for example every company make mistakes yet when you point a few out regarding Apple there is always one who defends it to the hilt regardless if it’s wrong
 
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I’m assuming you must be a well known Economist if you know something that experts don’t in regards to price increases?

How many price cuts did the last iPhone SE get after 6 months?
Hmm. Throwing ad-Homs around.

The thread is about a prediction by a leaker on how Apple can mitigate the tariffs. Who you choose to believe as far as where the potential prices of iPhones goes is up to you.
 
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for example every company make mistakes yet when you point a few out regarding Apple there is always one who defends it to the hilt regardless if it’s wrong
What constitutes wrong?
We all have different perceptions of what that word means, especially as it relates to us as an individual.
No other generation has had the technology and simplicity as today’s yet it never seems its good enough. The internet is just a portal to complain.
 
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Back to the topic, Apple will and should do what is best for its bottom line. Every corporation should do that. Whether they raise prices or not we all want them to be successful so they continue to provide products we can enjoy.
 
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