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nobody wants tiny phones anymore and people are willing to buy Pro/Max (soon to be Ultra) models. makes sense for them to cut the bloated devices nobody wants and focus on just the 15, 15 Pro, 15 Ultra.

i wish Apple would make the Ultra models a bit bigger. 6.7" is nice but wouldn't be mad if they pushed it to 6.9-7.1". i often wish my 12 Pro Max was bigger. anyway i'll be going with the 15 Ultra this year even if it's still only 6.7"
 
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False. There are a handful of people who pretend to want Touch ID on the internet. In the real world, Touch ID is less valuable than Face ID, and is perceived as such.
my friend has a touch id iphone and often asks me to help her do things on it. i hate using that stupid touch id button. it's the one that doesn't even click in but is touch sensitive. i don't know why people inflict that upon themselves.

i can never go back to a phone with touch id unless it was under display. the fingerprint reading isn't really the issue but using it to go to home or multitask.
 
They've already added 5G to the SE and raised the price along with it.

If they've cancelled a 2024 refresh of the SE (which is still pretty far out), I bet this has something to do with the switch to USB-C. Apple is going to introduce the iPhone 15 line with USB-C next year, but they aren't going to run around and redesign all of their old iPhones that they still sell to include USB-C. That also rules out reusing an old product design for an updated SE (which they are so found of doing). By 2024, any SE would have to be an entire new design with USB-C...something Apple has proven unwillingly to do for a low cost iPhone. It may well be that the SE we have today will remain until a USB-C iPhone trickles down to the SE.

Ok, so going by this logic we will then only have two USB-C iPhone models going forward and Apple will stop selling all the previous ones?
 
They should just reduce the cost of the normal iPhones first before creating another SE

They do not “create” another SE, as SE is a refresher of something already there by definition. With mini seemingly discontinued, however, they could bring back a 5.8” screen iPhone to complement the line. I would definitely get one of those to replace my mini then.
 
No, in terms of a limited real world test of their in house modem.

It doesn’t sense to me. Apple isn’t going to launch a half-assed modem where it performs so poorly that they would be concerned Apple Watch SE cellular users would complain but not iPhone SE users. Besides, there’s no way Watch SE cellular sells more than iPhone SE.

If Apple is testing, they would want something with 4G low data rates like Watch.
 
There is no bloat. Not to any single customer of iPhone. Only to people who comment on the internet.

Every $100 increment is an entirely different smartphone market that appeals to tens of millions of people.

People like you who complain about "bloat" don't have the faintest clue what the iPhone market actually looks like.
Well gosh I’m glad I have experts like you to talk down to me and tell me how things really are.

I actually do understand the need to hit a range of price points to address different segments of the market. But I’m pretty sure Apple could do that without needing 8 different iPhone models (and hundreds of SKUs once you factor in storage and colors). Also, even Apple doesn’t always size up the market correctly. Just have a look at what a poor decision pricing the 14 Plus at $900 turned out to be for them.
 
Ok, so going by this logic we will then only have two USB-C iPhone models going forward and Apple will stop selling all the previous ones?
No? Nothing is going to stop Apple from continuing to sell older phones without USB-C. But if they want to produce a new one, like a new iPhone SE, it will need USB-C...which means they can't reuse a product design for it.

I thought that was incredibly clear in my post.
 
They've already added 5G to the SE and raised the price along with it.

If they've cancelled a 2024 refresh of the SE (which is still pretty far out), I bet this has something to do with the switch to USB-C. Apple is going to introduce the iPhone 15 line with USB-C next year, but they aren't going to run around and redesign all of their old iPhones that they still sell to include USB-C. That also rules out reusing an old product design for an updated SE (which they are so found of doing). By 2024, any SE would have to be an entire new design with USB-C...something Apple has proven unwillingly to do for a low cost iPhone. It may well be that the SE we have today will remain until a USB-C iPhone trickles down to the SE.

Apple has already proven they’re willing to redesign for SE. Compare the logic board of iPhone SE 2020 and iPhone SE 2022. They’re very different with different 5G antennas. SE 2022 even uses a new battery chemistry.

They’re not going to redesign a SE logic board but stop at a simple USB-C connector. Besides, 2024 is the expected due date for a major refreshed SE anyway.
 
Apple has already proven they’re willing to redesign for SE. Compare the logic board of iPhone SE 2020 and iPhone SE 2022. They’re very different with different 5G antennas. SE 2022 even uses a new battery chemistry.

They’re not going to redesign a SE logic board but stop at a simple USB-C connector. Besides, 2024 is the expected due date for a major refreshed SE anyway.
The logic board is easy. The whole package is not. Rearranging a board is not redesigning an entire phone, which is what is required for a major change like USB-C.
 
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Interesting news. It also confirms, as expected, Apple’s baseband chip is discrete rather than integrated into the SoC.

But I’m surprised Apple would test in iPhone SE rather than something with low data throughput like Apple Watch. That would be more logical given concerns about performance. Testing in SE suggests the Apple baseband isn’t great with power consumption at all.
5G isn’t going to be power efficient until 5G-Standalone comes around; as of right now it will always need to be connected to 5G and LTE simultaneously on two antennas, even low band. Until then the watch will stay LTE only
 
nobody wants tiny phones anymore and people are willing to buy Pro/Max (soon to be Ultra) models. makes sense for them to cut the bloated devices nobody wants and focus on just the 15, 15 Pro, 15 Ultra.

i wish Apple would make the Ultra models a bit bigger. 6.7" is nice but wouldn't be mad if they pushed it to 6.9-7.1". i often wish my 12 Pro Max was bigger. anyway i'll be going with the 15 Ultra this year even if it's still only 6.7"
I don't think so... "nobody" is definitely false ;)
Sounds like you need a tablet 😁
 
If the SE is deemed a new device by the EU mandate, then they'd have to redesign the entire device to accommodate USB-C and then it's no longer a $429 phone.
 
No? Nothing is going to stop Apple from continuing to sell older phones without USB-C. But if they want to produce a new one, like a new iPhone SE, it will need USB-C...which means they can't reuse a product design for it.
Releaseing a 4th gen SE without USB-C isn't producing a new iPhone anymore than Apple continuing to sell the iPhone 12 and 13 without USB-C since they'd be reusing the body of an old iPhone (iPhone Xr?). It would mainly be an iPhone with an updated A chip. Everything else from display to camera would be old parts so it wouldn't really be considered a "new" iPhone.
 
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Don’t expect too much disappointment. The SE was just refreshed in 2022.
Good point. I think many readers forget that A15 is used in both the iPhone 14 and the current SE. The current SE has a long sales and service life in front of it. Apple isn't going to update the SE prematurely. That's probably in 2025.
 
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Releaseing a 4th gen SE without USB-C isn't producing a new iPhone anymore than Apple continuing to sell the iPhone 12 and 13 without USB-C since they'd be reusing the body of an old iPhone (iPhone Xr?). It would mainly be an iPhone with an updated A chip. Everything else from display to camera would be old parts so it wouldn't really be considered a "new" iPhone.
If it has a new identifier number then the mandate likely considers it a new device. Having parts that weren't included in the original iteration likely qualify it as a new device.
 
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