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maybe from 10 he got 1 right
The problem is years ago it was Kuo and Brain Tong on top of the assumption tree. Now it's full of other "HEY LOOK AT ME" like Kuo and Brain Tong,...... who is on youtube doing his thing. It's Nothing like he was years ago on Cnet. His Credibly is Nowhere where it was years ago. It's sad seeing in on Youtube doing his thing. Kuo the other hand is making the same assumptions with sites like this, where he gets fan-based fans. sad these days.
 
I can't really understand the massive Apple-hype around OLED.
My Nokia Lumia 800 had AMOLED screen in 2011(!), My Lenovo Yoga X1 had a 2560x1440 OLED screen in 2016.
Apple is very late to the game, it has been available for many years, still, most screens are IPS with normal backlight. Mostly due to the shortcomings of OLED, no matter how great they are in some applications (like the watch).
 
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I'm going to out myself as a screen tech luddite here, but I do not have a different experience using these various different screen technologies. LCD, mini-LED, OLED, 60 hz, 120 hz, etc etc. - I've used them all (and own most of them), and honestly, if you didn't tell me which device had which, I probably wouldn't notice. I'm not doubting that others can see some huge difference, but I honestly cannot.
 
I thought the limiting factor to a MacBook's lid thickness was currently the camera module. Is there a suitable webcam thinner than the edgelit MacBook Air screen stack, or is Kuo saying the power savings will enable the battery to be slightly smaller?
I only read the article and not his tweets so I am not sure where you got the bit about the MacBook lid thickness. Given that there is already some flex in the body of the Air, I see no reason why Apple would want to make that already super-thin device even thinner, especially with the form-over-function Ive no longer around. I also don't see why Apple would reduce the battery size once the OLED screen provides power savings, if anything I think they'd keep the same battery and then heavily market the several hours (or much more assuming 3nm chips by then) of increased battery life, easily 20+ hours.
 
I only read the article and not his tweets so I am not sure where you got the bit about the MacBook lid thickness. Given that there is already some flex in the body of the Air, I see no reason why Apple would want to make that already super-thin device even thinner, especially with the form-over-function Ive no longer around. I also don't see why Apple would reduce the battery size once the OLED screen provides power savings, if anything I think they'd keep the same battery and then heavily market the several hours (or much more assuming 3nm chips by then) of increased battery life, easily 20+ hours.
I assumed lid thickness too since they mentioned the screen and the thickness of the device. I wouldn’t want a lid that is any thinner, there is already some flex with the current MBP.
 
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maybe he is legit but clear is more wrong than right in the last years. He is just a "clickbait" now. The fresh misstake is the AR/VR event in January 2023...January isnt over, i know but its clear it will not be this month. So he is just a person fishing with a lot of speculation, maybe from 10 he got 1 right
That's what I was kind of wondering. Especially after I saw that he's billing himself as a "social media influencer."
 
Kuo seems to pop up in countless MacRumors stories. Yet, a Google search turns up very little substantial information about him. And, oddly, on his Twitter bio, he describes himself as a "social media influencer."

Has anyone done an analysis of the analyst's track record? Is he right about most of the things he predicts?

I'm genuinely curious.
I called him a fake when he claimed the iPhone 14 would stick with the same CPU as the 13 because it sounded ridiculous.

Turns out he was right.
 
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For some reason OLED displays are less energy efficient (according to the results of Windows laptops). Really hope Apple's implementation will be better and with the dark theme energy will be drained much slower.
 
OLED provides far better contrast than LCD but, unless Apple improves its OLED dimming technology, this will not be a beneficial change for those sensitive to OLED flicker.

OLEDs can be dimmed with analog dimming (aka constant current reduction), but analog dimming's downsides include color shifts as the screen is dimmed, larger circuitry, and higher power consumption. Thus OLED screens are instead usually dimmed digitally by rapidly switching the pixels on and off. This is called pulse width modulation (PWM). The idea is that if you want 50% brightness, you rapidly switch the pixels on and off so that they illuminate the screen only 50% of the time.

The problem with PWM is that the frequency at which OLEDs can do this is not that high (often below 100 Hz, though it can go higher), and some can perceive this flickering and get headaches from it. The flicker becomes especially noticeable when the display is significantly dimmed. E.g., at 10% brightness, the display would have a duty cycle of 10% on and 90% off. That's why people using OLED devices at night are more likely to get eyestrain.

It would be nice if Apple gave consideration to this in making its MacBook Pro OLED screens, and either implements an improved analog dimmer, or chooses an OLED technology with a high PWM frequency. For instance, according to https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-R...del=1&screen_resolution=1&screen_panel_type=1 , OLED variants are available with PWM frequencies > 800 Hz (833 Hz for the AMOLED Lenovo Legion Phone Duel). However, it doesn't seem Apple cares about PWM flicker, since the iPhone 14's PWM frequency is only 60 Hz. [Would the 120 Hz frequency of the new displays mean the minimum PWM frequency would also be 120 Hz?]

The LED's used to backlight LCD screens also use PWM dimming. The difference is that their PWM frequency is much higher, which makes flicker far less noticeable (and typically imperceptible, even for sensitive viewers). For instance, according to the above link, the PWM frequency for the 14" & 16" M1 MacBook Pro LCD screens is 14,880 Hz.

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So this is why all screens seem to flicker when recorded on a camera... interesting!
 
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I would not use OLED display. It will shorten the Mac's life span as we need to replace it sooner. Not only that, higher brightness means faster burn-in. Not only that, OLED itself is not even widely used for laptop and desktop even in 2023. There are reasons why major professional monitors are still LCD/LED based.

I would wait for micro-LED which is quite possible for at least laptop and It seems South Korea is quite closer to micro-LED technology within a few years.
Totally agree. I love my LG OLED but computers show a ton of static imagery. I know software can come through and refresh this but I'd definitely rather wait for microLED on a computer display.
 
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I'm going to skip this one out. Failing OLEDs is a massive thing and my mini LED MBP is absolutely fine. I don't even like having OLED on my watch / phone if I'm honest.
 
So, has burn-in been solved?
Having seen OLED in person I'm a big fan of the technology but computer use, for its nature, relies a lot on static interfaces being displayed all the time, so I think that (for now at least) miniLED is a better option for desktop use.
I'd love to link a C2 to my mac, but I'm afraid of burn-in.
I'm actually waiting for the 32" Lenovo Thinkvision monitor that'll come in August, which'll be a miniLED with 1152 zones.
Not as good as an oled, but definitely better for desktop use.
Maybe in 1,2 years better oled technologies will actually mitigate burn-in, but I don't wanna risk it now.
 
I would not use OLED display. It will shorten the Mac's life span as we need to replace it sooner. Not only that, higher brightness means faster burn-in. Not only that, OLED itself is not even widely used for laptop and desktop even in 2023. There are reasons why major professional monitors are still LCD/LED based.

I would wait for micro-LED which is quite possible for at least laptop and It seems South Korea is quite closer to micro-LED technology within a few years.
microLED would be the perfect solution, however Im sure it'll be outrageously expensive at first, and we still gotta wait.
I waited years, but in 2023 I want something that's beyond uniformly backlit LED.
I'd get the Samsung Odyssey G7 but it's curved (not good for a 2 monitor setup) and I read nothing but horror stories about Samsung's quality control.
Very interested in the Lenovo Thinkvision miniLED monitors that were shown at CES.
 
I’m a bit confused by this? I would have thought Apple was moving toward microLED across the board. They are moving the Apple Watch from OLED to microLED, yet moving macs and iPads to OLED. Seems like overall microLED is “better” than OLED, so maybe OLED is the next step up until microLED?

Apple Watch paved the way for OLED, now maybe it’s paving the way for microLED?
 
More proof that mini LED was a marketing stop gap gimmick until apple stopped being tight and paid for OLED, god Tim and the rest really are gross with this stuff.

Micro LED is the future but we’re well off that for a few years yet.

so glad I didn’t waste my money on a dead technology.
 
And the menu bar will be burned into every OLED MacBook Pro display in a matter of months, "menu-gate"
 
Judging by the current MacBook lineup, I would guess the first macs to get OLED will be the M3 Pro / M3 Max 14” and 16” MacBook Pro. Followed by the Air and then the iMac.

Of course Apple has no obligation to do what they’ve done in the past but if we use the past as an example, the higher MacBook Pro models have always gotten the new display tech first (retina resolution, P3 color, Mini LED) then it comes to the lower MacBooks followed by the desktop.
 
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I’m a bit confused by this? I would have thought Apple was moving toward microLED across the board. They are moving the Apple Watch from OLED to microLED, yet moving macs and iPads to OLED. Seems like overall microLED is “better” than OLED, so maybe OLED is the next step up until microLED?

Apple Watch paved the way for OLED, now maybe it’s paving the way for microLED?
microLED should be better than OLED.

it makes sense to start off with a small/tiny display like the Apple Watch to test microLED then they can bring it to iphone then ipad and then MacBook, and then iMac.

microled is still expensive and difficult to manufacture. it's still a while off. don't expect it in any other apple products any time soon.
 
I'm holding on with my M1 Pro till these new OLED MacBooks come out. It does look like these will featured across the M3 Pro/Max lineup as they always dispatch the new panel technology to the higher end models.
 
I’m a bit confused by this? I would have thought Apple was moving toward microLED across the board. They are moving the Apple Watch from OLED to microLED, yet moving macs and iPads to OLED. Seems like overall microLED is “better” than OLED, so maybe OLED is the next step up until microLED?

Apple Watch paved the way for OLED, now maybe it’s paving the way for microLED?
Apple spent 5 years of R&D on miniLED because OLED was not ready. They've managed to ship it in 2 products (3 if you count both M1/M2 generations of iPad Pro). Likely we get one more with a MacBook Pro refresh this year. I'm sure they were hopeful that miniLED was the way forward, but the quality of it has not exceeded OLED, nor have the costs or complexity come down.
 
Clever of you to put this out so early in this year to give you two full years before you're proven wrong on this.
 
OLED provides far better contrast than LCD—but unless Apple improves its OLED dimming technology, this will not be a beneficial change for those sensitive to OLED flicker.

OLEDs can be dimmed with analog dimming (aka constant current reduction), in which the OLED's simply emit less light. But analog dimming's downsides include color shifts as the screen is dimmed, larger circuitry, and higher power consumption. Thus OLED screens are instead usually dimmed digitally by keeping the OLED's brightness constant (when they're on), and rapidly switching them on and off. This is called pulse width modulation (PWM). The idea is that if you want, say, 50% brightness, you rapidly switch the OLEDs on and off so that they illuminate the screen only 50% of the time.

The problem with PWM is that the frequency at which OLEDs can do this is not that high (often below 100 Hz, though it can go higher), and some can perceive this flickering and get headaches from it. The flicker becomes especially noticeable when the display is significantly dimmed. E.g., at 10% brightness, the display would have a duty cycle of 10% on and 90% off. That's why people using OLED devices at night are more likely to get eyestrain.

It would be nice if Apple gave consideration to this in making its MacBook Pro OLED screens, and either implement an improved analog dimmer, or choose an OLED technology with a high PWM frequency. For instance, according to https://www.notebookcheck.net/PWM-R...del=1&screen_resolution=1&screen_panel_type=1 , OLED variants are available with PWM frequencies > 800 Hz (833 Hz for the AMOLED Lenovo Legion Phone Duel). However, it doesn't seem Apple cares about PWM flicker, since the iPhone 14's PWM frequency is only 60 Hz. [Would the 120 Hz frequency of the new displays mean the minimum PWM frequency would also be 120 Hz?]

The LED's used to backlight LCD screens also use PWM dimming. The difference is that their PWM frequency is much higher, which makes flicker far less noticeable (and typically imperceptible, even for sensitive viewers). For instance, according to the above link, the PWM frequency for the 14" & 16" M1 MacBook Pro LCD screens is 14,880 Hz.

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I second this. We need flicker-free displays.
 
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