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Kuo: Apple's Mixed-Reality Headset Likely to Debut at Spring Media Event or WWDC
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If when I travel for work I could put on the headset and suddenly have the equivalent of my triple monitor setup at my desk in my hotel room that would be a huge incentive to bring it with me on work trips just as one thought
Live action movies are three dimensional 😜 only cartoons are 2D.
Alright I know some cartoons have CGI in them too 😛
Yeah man if only Ed Moses had VR then he would have won a gold medal in the Olympics. If only Arnold had goggles then he could have developed a body like Conan. If only John Travolta had goggles in the disco then he might have had girl fans in Saturday Night Fever.
It was impossible to do anything properly in life until we stuck goggles on our faces and stayed at home like a loser 😝😝😝
I mean winner! Totally. I can download Kung fu to my brain. No need to train with real people in a real class for 5 years to earn black belt 😝
its better than sitting on your couch, which is the norm for being at home. on nights I can't make it to the gym it's at least some good cardio akin to playing ping pong or something.
Nah sir, I’m on the couch to rest.
I go out for ‘the rest’.
$3000 for a head set to do those things is stupid. It costs a few hundred dollars to join a gym for a year.
And $4000 for a Pelostonk bike is dumb too. Real bike costs $200 and you can join a bike club for free and enjoy riding with people.
Socialise. Yeah I’m going out to the bar and not some loser VR Chat room full of groomers and trolls.
A device has to solve a problem. If your problem is you are stuck at home then a device will only make it worse. Go out.
I'm a fan of VR, and I've played around with microsoft's hololens. It was pretty "meh", graphics were not great - mostly garish neon collors in a pretty narrow viewfild. And waving your hands around in the air, trying to get it to recognize gestures was exhausting. Give me a good physicsl controller with force feedback over this any day.
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Not at all. That's what you are projecting into what anyone offers as constructive ideas of possible uses. You don't seem to read what is actually offered but only envision things like that picture as what we all think.
For anyone interested in constructive imagination instead of only "this concept couldn't do anything we might want" doom, here's the short version of one idea I offered (bail from this chain when you believe I go impossible):
- If Goggles can effectively display a virtual reality to our eyes that looks about as real as Goggle-free eyes looking at reality, can those Goggles display a simple 2D screen on which to watch a movie or TV show?
- If so, could the screen appear to be any size?
- If the screen of any size can simulate what we can watch on a screen in reality, could it display what we see on our computer screens?
- If so, would it be possible to airplay or airplay equivalent our macOS screen to the virtual screen in the Goggles?
- If so, would this give someone the ability to basically have the bottom half of a MBpro (keyboard + trackpad built atop a fully functional Mac computer) and a mobile screen of any size viewed within the Goggles on which to do their computing?
IF-IF-IF Goggles would be able to present a simple 2D screen as if we are looking at any 2D screen we can look at now, why can't we airplay or similar to that screen? If so, then maybe Goggles would deliver something a bit more than the oft-desired 17" MB, by pairing the bottom half of a MB-like Mac with the Goggles delivering any size screen on which to display macOS and Mac apps.
I can NOT see the impossibility of this concept. #1 is the unique variable. I can already do all of the rest (for years now).
Someone who is not an extremist, please lay out how the above is impossible. I presume the fault must lie in #1 since the rest can be done now. And if Goggles in development for 6+ years can't simulate looking at a flat screen, I can't grasp how the implication of the term "reality" could be applied at all.
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If you look at the Meta Quest Pro, they have ~1000 pixels-per-inch displays which gets them to around 22 pixels per degree of view. From everything I've read, 60 pixels per degree is all that is needed for "retinal" quality VR. If we believe the rumors, Apple is poised to use 3000 pixel-per-inch displays in their headset which would theoretically get them past this 60 pixels per degree threshold.
I fully believe this, combined with super high quality passthrough video, is what VR and mixed really need. The ability to have several computer monitors worth of display space all in one device (that is also a capable computer on its own running an M2) is a game changer.
In any event, with Cook's terrible product management skill it will take years to get right after release. Yep, Cook will get a keynote, then a bunch of magazine articles, but there won't be much that works right for the masses. Early adopters, with more money than sense, yep also good for them.
There’s already rumblings of IP challenges over the waist-mounted battery pack and custom prescription inserts for people with glasses.
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Inside the Tech Powering Apple’s Envelope-Pushing, Risky Mixed Reality Headset
Apple’s mixed-reality headset has become the iPhone maker’s most hotly anticipated new product of 2023. It may also be the riskiest. The headset, which Apple has yet to formally announce, will be jam-packed with features Apple will have to get just right if the product is going to have the kind ...
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HobeSoundDarryl
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For that concept of an unhinged MB screen, I can't see it different myself. I can't imagine that something introduced as virtual reality with 4K screens per eye as rumored, can't display a simple 2D screen on which to watch movies or tv shows and, by extension, the video our Macs can airplay to any screen now.
If so- and I'll grant that IF to the extreme pessimists- I don't see how we couldn't have the option of a new kind of laptop-like experience in the making for anyone interested in a laptop screen bigger than 16". Virtual screen of any size + bottom half of a MB with some airplay or airplay-like delivery SEEMS like these could give some of us an any-size screen, mobile computing option.
Will the VR images be sharp enough for that? I don't know. But 4K per eye seems like it should be able to deliver some sharp resolution. All of the rest of that concept is possible for years now.
Based on the rumors I really think the VR images on this device will be sharp enough to be nearly indistinguishable from a real life display of any size. I don't know why so many people can't see the massive potential of something like that.
I really think its all about AR not VR?
I do agree with your comments on passthrough. This is actually the most important thing and is average to say the least on the Quest Pro. I dont have high hopes for clear passthrough, but hopefully Apple do a better job.
Also Apple need to sort out their software out urgently. I stopped using reality composer as it is very limited and also quite beta. They should have had this sorted by now.
Yeah comparing to the Quest Pro again, they only have four cameras for tracking and passthrough vs the rumored eight cameras plus long and short range lidar on the Apple device. This should help a lot and you can bet that Apple's cameras are significantly more advanced than Meta's.
I'm not a developer so I'll take your word that reality composer isn't what it could be, but I'm sure that better tools are being worked on behind the scenes to coincide with the release of the headset (possibly part of the "software related issues" being the culprit for a delayed launch).
Agree this will kill socializing ever more. Just like consoles killed arcade etc etc. I remember year ago when I was dating, I couldn't find any face to face social clubs.
A couple of folks made the same weak post early in the thread and you repeated their posts. I answered them if you want to read it. You're just rewriting history to make a weak argument.
Everyone wanted thousands of songs in the pocket. Mobile phones without a keyboard already existed and were selling well enough for a better version to come along. Lots of people were using bluetooth earphones and were waiting for them to improve. Various types of smart watches were around for three decades. Some were very popular. As a kid we all wanted Casio watches that spoke, had calculators and radios.
VR has also come and gone many times since the 80s. True there is a steady improvement, but unlike other device categories this one is highly complex and comes with some permanent issues, such as people generally don't want to wear electronics on their face.
Others have raised even more difficulties associated with headsets. Those difficulties don't exist with other types of devices.
Fortunately a lot of women and men don't wear inches thick make up, have a delicate hairstyle or "dress glasses" (whatever that is). It's like saying car pedals are not made for high heels. A lot of people chose practicality over vanity, and the times where women dressed up as pretty dolls are fortunately mostly gone.
P.s.: My PSVR does not make creases on the face. PSVR2 might, but nobody is going to buy that for €600+ anyway.
He had no "facts". His accuracy is less than 50%, that means flipping a coin would be more accurate than he is.
And no, I'm not exaggerating. He literally predicted new M2 MacBook Pros in September, changed it to October when they weren't announced in September, then switched it to November when October was over, and then November got to Thanksgiving time and he switched it again when they didn't get released. 😂
You're right, i hate IG for it's superficiality. But it's still a loud minority of young lookalikes that exaggerates their looks that much. Imho, people usually become more practical later in life (apart from those who can't cope with getting older)
Either way, it's probably not messing up hair or make up that will be preventing mixed reality from becoming a success, it's that huge ***** thing you have to wear on your head that only gives you a camera-image of the world around you.
It can seem superficial on the surface but look closer. They're enjoying themselves, inspiring each other and some are making a career out of it. Don't want to call you sexist, but it is sexist to bemoan woman for wearing make up and trying to look glamourous and healthy. They learn about business and their effort does a lot for the economy.
It's better than those unshaven prematurely balding VR/crypto/gamer bros whose only sense of style is a black hoody with energy drink logos on it. These guys don't look happy at all. They're always screaming at each other and trying to pull off random scams. Many look like they haven't washed for days.