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Is Apple ok? There have been quite a few (unannounced) projects delayed or cancelled recently and lots of high level staff leaving. Seems like a lot is changing behind the scenes.

The difference is that this information is leaked and shared more. Many projects get started in the R&D stages that never graduate past that. That's what the "research" stage is for — to determine the feasibility of an idea.
 
Possibly due to talent drain at Apple to other tech companies, or impending layoffs like so many other tech companies? At first when I read it the story headline, I thought Apple was pausing development of future Apple Silicon chips... That had me worried! Glad it's just a WIFI chip, and not future Apple Silicon chips that are being paused (M3, M4, M5).

Have you seen their chip labs? I'd work there for free! 🤣
 
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A proprietary wifi chip that makes it mandatory to use it with a proprietary router is something we should hope for or praise?

Hell no.

AirPort routers were never "proprietary" in that sense. Non-Apple devices connected through they just fine. I've always had way better performance from my AirPort routers than competing brands.
 
The SEC should need to take a look at those "analysts" that are just playing the market.
15 days ago it was a sure thing that Apple was leaving behind Broadcom, and now magically
the project is on forever pause.

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Nothing about this article makes sense!
The sorts of people working on a WiFi chip are not the same sort of people working on an A18 or an M4!
At worst I could imagine perhaps one or two very good project managers have been moved, but even so, I would expect the rest of the team to keep going.

And of course Apple ALREADY HAVE a combined WiFi/BT chip (called the W3)...

I suspect this garbled nonsense is derived from a conversation with a (possibly disgruntled, but certainly low level) employee who has misunderstood something, further garbled by Kuo not knowing the correct questions to ask for clarification.

The W3 chip is solely Bluetooth, not WiFi.

Apple W3[edit]​

The Apple W3 is used in the Apple Watch Series 4,[224] Series 5,[225] Series 6,[190] SE (1st generation),[190] Series 7, Series 8, SE (2nd generation), and Ultra. It is integrated into the Apple S4, S5, S6, S7 and S8 SiPs. It supports Bluetooth 5.0/5.3.
 
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That's a really narrow way of looking at things. People are motivated by extrinsic and intrinsic factors. Money is only part of the equation. Some of the brightest engineers are not motivated by money, but by working in a good team and stimulating work.

If it were as simple as money, Apple would have gutted Qualcomm of engineers years ago.
So Apple has no good team, no stimulating work and no good working environment to offer?
Yeah, that could indeed be a problem...
 
So Apple has no good team, no stimulating work and no good working environment to offer?
Yeah, that could indeed be a problem...

Potentially not as good as Broadcom. Potentially not as good as Intel.

Broadcom/Intel are near the top in the world at radio design. Someone already working at those companies, why would they join Apple's team of junior engineers trying to reinvent the wheel?
 
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Maybe Apple doesn’t have to design every single component in their devices.

There’s a benefit to offloading component design on other manufactures. It frees up Apple engineers to focus on other areas of the device.

I know Apple is a big company, but imagine the amount of employees needed to make industry leading components at Broadcom, Qualcomm, Samsung Display… it’s hundreds of thousands more head count than Apple.

It would be bad for Apple consumers if Apple tries to build their own components and falls behind their competitors over time.

Apple silicon has been an example of this working out incredibly well, it’s not a guarantee this will trickle down to other components in completely different industries.
Chill, they want to design every single component "in house" to cut some $$$ of a product and to increase the profit margin.
I don't think Apple is going to ever compete with LG/Samsung on displays, Qualcomm&Broadcom on modems.
 
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Right? I mean, just hire more? I don't get it.
Wifi chip isn't a priority, so its staff can be let go or moved to other higher level projects. A lot of tech companies (Apple, Alphabet, Microsoft, Amazon, Spotify, Salesforce, Meta, etc...) are shedding projects to get rid of people to boost up their stock prices.
 
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Potentially not as good as Broadcom. Potentially not as good as Intel.

Broadcom/Intel are near the top in the world at radio design. Someone already working at those companies, why would they join Apple's team of junior engineers trying to reinvent the wheel?
True, but it "could" skyrocket the career of that engineer(s), instead of going under between a stabilized existing team.
But yes, I also would not like work for Apple :D
 
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True, but it "could" skyrocket the career of that engineer(s), instead of going under between a stabilized existing team.
But yes, I also would not like work for Apple :D

Anything is possible, just not probable. In theory, yes, working for Apple could mean they become the next CEO. It just isn't likely.

The reality is, engineers want to work with others in a similar industry and knowledge level. Nobody wants to work with a company with no history of radio design. Nobody wants to go backwards, be a scrub, reinvent the wheel, just for the pay. The motivation may be different if the engineers own the company, but helping Apple earn the next trillion isn't motivating.

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I didn’t know that Apple was working on their own Wi-Fi chip

It would be awesome if Apple did come out with their own Wi-Fi chips and if they got back into the router business

An Apple HomeKit designed AirPort router with Apple’s version of a proprietary Wi-Fi chip would definitely be awesome
Yeah, I heard about this before - but the motivation really sounded more like cost-savings than anything else? I think Apple got frustrated with some of the negotiating it had to do with these other vendors, and would rather control the whole thing in-house.

The problem they're running into is that designing a really good wi-fi AND bluetooth chip is really difficult. And by the time you do it, there's yet another wifi and/or bluetooth revision out there you need to redesign the chip to support.

I think Apple can more easily justify all the R&D work when you're talking about their own CPU, that only needs to run THEIR operating system. Compatibility with everyone else's products is the most important part if you're making a wifi or a bluetooth chip, by comparison. If it keeps disconnecting from so and so's wireless earbuds or gets slow wifi speeds when connecting to certain Netgear or Linksys routers, or ? People will consider it inferior.
 
AirPort routers were never "proprietary" in that sense. Non-Apple devices connected through they just fine. I've always had way better performance from my AirPort routers than competing brands.
Which makes sense to me, but I quoted the poster as the mention "proprietary" was apparently misused - or that he wishes for a closed standard that only Apple controls, either way.
 
I hope Apple can reach the point where they're completely vertically integrated. It seems like that is the goal. Then, maybe they can reduce costs and make everything in the US.
 
I hope Apple can reach the point where they're completely vertically integrated. It seems like that is the goal. Then, maybe they can reduce costs and make everything in the US.
Reduce costs, yes.
Make everything in the US, just wet dreams, their greed weights more than patriotism.
 
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Potentially not as good as Broadcom. Potentially not as good as Intel.

Broadcom/Intel are near the top in the world at radio design. Someone already working at those companies, why would they join Apple's team of junior engineers trying to reinvent the wheel?

It is not all just about the chips! Apple is worth 10 to 20 times as much as Broadcom and/or Intel in Market Capitalization and it is the richest company in the World. No one really matches Apple in its market influence and reach! I would not want to waste my time at Broadcom or Intel even as a chip designer, I would rather be at Apple! You should not let existing Limiting Beliefs get in the way of your reality!
 
What can they "disrupt" in the industry of Wi-Fi chips ?
What can they "disrupt" in the industry of modem chips ?

I don't really understand why they're trying to get into these businesses.
I'd think it's to cut costs, but it's not automatically less expensive to develop things in-house. More often than not, it's more expensive.
I was thinking the same thing. What's the value add to developing these sorts of commodity parts in-house? Apple already botched USB implementation with the M-series Macs by gimping certain 10 Gbps devices to 5 Gbps due to them implementing their own Thunderbolt/USB controller inside the chip.

When Apple silicon launched everyone thought things would get cheaper because they didn't have to pay for Intel's high chip prices, but between R&D and using TSMC's bleeding edge processes I doubt the chips cost less. To be clear I'm not bashing the M-series, a few flaws aside they're amazing chips and my 14" M1 Pro MBP is nothing short of phenomenal, but they need not take everything in-house.
 
Is Apple ok? There have been quite a few (unannounced) projects delayed or cancelled recently and lots of high level staff leaving. Seems like a lot is changing behind the scenes.
It is Apple's own doing - asking people to come to office 3 days a week will cause all the best engineers to leave, filling in these empty positions will be hard. Times have changed - adopt or die.
 
Is Apple ok? There have been quite a few (unannounced) projects delayed or cancelled recently and lots of high level staff leaving. Seems like a lot is changing behind the scenes.

Stuff happens.

Expecting 100.0% perfection 100.0% of the time is not reasonable when humans are involved.

And life goes on.
 
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Apple has paused work on the Wi-Fi chip that it has in development, Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo said today. The development of the Apple-designed Wi-Fi chip has been "halted" at the current time, and Kuo says Apple will hold off "for a while."

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Work on a Wi-Fi chip has been paused because Apple wants to focus its chip design resources on the advanced 3-nanometer chips that are set to power future iPhones and other devices. Kuo says that "insufficient development resources" are therefore delaying the mass production of not only Apple's 5G chip, but also the Wi-Fi chip.

Article Link: Kuo: Development on Apple-Designed Wi-Fi Chip Paused 'for a While'
Well Duh!


In a word on why the delay .... 'licensing' or 'patents'.
 
It is not all just about the chips! Apple is worth 10 to 20 times as much as Broadcom and/or Intel in Market Capitalization and it is the richest company in the World. No one really matches Apple in its market influence and reach! I would not want to waste my time at Broadcom or Intel even as a chip designer, I would rather be at Apple! You should not let existing Limiting Beliefs get in the way of your reality!

Based on your post, I think it's pretty clear you have zero managerial or HR experience.
 
Why doesn't Apple just buy Broadcom?? Their Market cap is only 250.14 billion,..drop in the ocean for Apple.
 
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