Kuo: High-End iPad and MacBook With Mini-LED Displays to Launch Between Late 2020 and Mid 2021

I mean I'll gladly welcome these screens with open arms but the current tech is really good as is.

Even today you have to have a high-end IPS and OLED side by side to truly appreciate the difference. The better screen or better anything will always eventually become background "noise" to you though. It's like going from 60hz to 144hz in games is absolutely incredible and you can never go back, but it begins to just become the norm like anything else.

Bottom line is current tech is really good and unless this is priced the same as current tech it's not going to matter for most people. That said, I welcome "true" HDR performance and faster refresh rate screens in MacBooks.
 
Competition for OLED technology is good for Samsung and even better for the consumer base. Same with processor competition from Apple Arm processors and AMD CISC processors for Intuit.
 
Mirco LED still at least another 3-4 years from in any Apple Products.

I wish Apple just leave the Mid Range iPhone as LCD and uses Mini LED. I don't like OLED at all, PWM, and motion problems is still irritating as hell.

Edit: One thing I forgot to point is the number 10,000 LEDs. That is A LOT, even for 17" MacBook. Comparatively speaking that is roughly 1250 LED on an iPhone Pro Max.

Assuming there isn't a lost in translation, and the number is correct, coming from Ming, this LCD is going to be insanely great. Possibly even better than OLED.
 
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If this can help LCD technology close the gap on OLED for black levels (really the lone significant benefit of OLED) then it's definitely an attractive option. No PWM and no pentile will be a big thing for a lot of people.
 
0837990 said:
I don't think so. It depends on the usage. OLED, just like Plasma, will always fade over time. An LCD backlight will fade far less over the same amount of time. If I compare my 1 year old XS Max to my brand new 11 (non-pro), at the same brightness settings, the 11 is always noticeably brighter than my XS Max. And my XS Max has not been used a lot (180 cycles, 100% battery health).
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Every screen is different. I compared my two year old X and one year old XS Max to the 11 Pro Max models in store. Some 11 Pro models were brighter and others were dimmer than my X and XS. I turned off True Tone and auto brightness on all of them and pushed brightness to the max.

Apple say brightness goes up every year but it all depends on the screen lottery. They’ve had poor quality screen control for years.

What Apple show off the in keynotes and in the hands on demo area are models probably produced on site in their design lab to be near perfect. However once production goes to China for mass production quality takes a hit. All this talk of micron level precision is marketing talk.
 
iReality85 said:
You know you can auto-hide the dock and menu bar in Mac OS, right?



I guess our anecdotals will have to suffice. Everyone I know who owns an OLED device (myself included) says it blows LCD away. Again, LED is just the backlight; you're still viewing an LCD panel, complete with blooming, backlight bleed, lighting uniformity issues, and motion blur. None of which goes away by having Mini-LED.

Mini-LED is a half step up from current LED based displays. It's better than regular LED, sure, but lets not pretend LED-LCD even comes close to OLED, because it doesn't.
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Yes I'm well aware of that, but I don't want to you see. It's called personal preference! I like to see the dock all the time.

And that won't get rid of a potential burn in issue with the persistent menu bar?
 
ksec said:
Mirco LED still at least another 3-4 years from in any Apple Products.

I wish Apple just leave the Mid Range iPhone as LCD and uses Mini LED. I don't like OLED at all, PWM, and motion problems is still irritating as hell.

Edit: One thing I forgot to point is the number 10,000 LEDs. That is A LOT, even for 17" MacBook. Comparatively speaking that is roughly 1250 LED on an iPhone Pro Max.

Assuming there isn't a lost in translation, and the number is correct, coming from Ming, this LCD is going to be insanely great. Possibly even better than OLED.
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Thus far, OLED is undoubtedly proven great for every smartphone by the customer and it's why you find it very common on  device.
 
Relentless Power said:
Let’s be a bit more literal, OLED still suffers from the same tangents that LCD does in direct sunlight, they both struggle with brightness. [Even if OLED is ‘brighter’ over LCD.]

Also, Speaking from a consumer standpoint, do you truly think that they can differentiate the difference between LCD and OLED? They can’t. I’ve had this discussion many times before, yes; there are advantages to OLED, but they’re not distinct enough, which is probably reason enough for Apple choosing to _not_ use OLED for the iPad/Mac lineup, considering mini LED and micro LED being the clear future.
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Anyone with a pair of eyes will instantly able to tell the difference by looking at darker color and let’s not pretend the battery life on an electronic device is anywhere good because it's NOT and mini-LED might deteriorate even faster.
 
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Falhófnir said:
If this can help LCD technology close the gap on OLED for black levels (really the lone significant benefit of OLED) then it's definitely an attractive option. No PWM and no pentile will be a big thing for a lot of people.
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It’s bad for a mobile device to have so many thousands of LED even though is slightly smaller.
 
miniyou64 said:
Does it come with migraine inducing PWM like the flagship iPhones of the last 3 cycles?
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Wonders of small panel OLED, like I was thrown back in CRT era with 60-72Hz screens. I know back in the day I had to cash out big money for Sony Trinitron CRT which could go 90Hz just so I could sit in front of the computer and finish something instead of vomiting. For some reason that monitor is worth more money today than original Cinema HD, I had offers in $250 range and I could easily get them to $300.
 
FreeSpeechFirst said:
Anyone with a pair of eyes will instantly able to tell the difference by looking at darker color and let’s not pretend the battery life on an electronic device is anywhere good because it's NOT
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You do know Apple's OLED is actually using more power in most situation apart from Dark Mode? ( Apart from this years iPhone Pro )

and mini-LED might deteriorate even faster.
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Um..... I suggest you go and read papers and product presented in SID Show or other technology forums before you further commenting on these issues.
 
vladi said:
Wonders of small panel OLED, like I was thrown back in CRT era with 60-72Hz screens. I know back in the day I had to cash out big money for Sony Trinitron CRT which could go 90Hz just so I could sit in front of the computer and finish something instead of vomiting. For some reason that monitor is worth more money today than original Cinema HD, I had offers in $250 range and I could easily get them to $300.
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Thata crazy to think about. I’m sensitive like that too! Maybe hang on to it, if it’s worth something?
 
FreeSpeechFirst said:
All the production cost of new iPad Pro isn’t vastly more expensive and  is capable of making it even more affordable without removing certain feature to increase the global market share to 50%
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The CPUs, Face ID, quad speaker tech, and 120hz refresh rate are. I don’t know by how much... but even then the point of APPLE saying and selling as “Pro” is to allude that the iPad is a more capable or serious device for heavy users compared to normal iPad. But in this case too, the pros do have features that make them stand out.
 
TracesOfArsenic said:
You'll never know though because they'll report on a different statistic for misdirection.
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I know Apple isn’t alone when it comes to that, but I’m sure it can be a little disappointing to those who thought Apple was different (in a good way) from the others. Business is business ultimately and that’s probably the way it has to be for a functioning company to continue making a lot of people happy, prioritizing those at the top of food pyramid and hopefully doing enough for those at the bottom (customers) to keep them satisfied. Occasionally, that may include giving in to increasing public pressure and doing something like lowering the price to replace your iPhone’s battery.
 
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