One can buy a tablet and a laptop with a [superior] OLED screen today (both have been available for many year) and Apple is now planning to release the devices with [inferior] Mini LED screens in two years. That's one crippled ecosystem.
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Kuo: High-End iPad and MacBook With Mini-LED Displays to Launch Between Late 2020 and Mid 2021
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Speaking of OLEDs and burn in, the iPhone 11's that I was checking out at the Apple Store had burn in from the constantly running pricing app which is black text on an all white background. I know nobody will have the pricing app running at full brightness on their phones but it was still concerning. I imagine as long as you reduce the brightness to the minimum necessary on the 11 you should be fine.
There’s nothing superior about OLED except for the ‘truer blacks’. I was hoping Apple would never adopt OLED, and it seems that they never will for this product line. If this mini LED is proven to be accurate, followed by Micro LED also coming in the future, I find this far more promising technology with displays then OLED.
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OLED bests LED-LCD in nearly all areas except for HDR peak nit brightness (which is over rated, IMO).
It is simply a much better technology than LED-LCD.
Ability to display black color is kind of fundamental to display function. Besides, OLED has other advantages. There must be a reason why all flagship phones nowadays use OLED screens.
Thanks Captain Obvious.
Yes, people have been buying macbooks, but as your investment banker will put in tiny letters in hopes you wont see it, past performance is not a guarantee of future results.
Question: do people buy macbook because it is thinner than last years macbook, or do people buy macbook because it is a macbook?
People are not demanding a lighter macbook, but instead they are demanding that a bunch of problems be fixed, problems resulting from the never ending pursuit of making it thinner and lighter.
Logic is simple. Focus on the parts that make or break a machine. A couple grams is not gonna impact sales, but a reliable keyboard, connectivity....that will affect sales!
Let’s be a bit more literal, OLED still suffers from the same tangents that LCD does in direct sunlight, they both struggle with brightness. [Even if OLED is ‘brighter’ over LCD.]
Also, Speaking from a consumer standpoint, do you truly think that they can differentiate the difference between LCD and OLED? They can’t. I’ve had this discussion many times before, yes; there are advantages to OLED, but they’re not distinct enough, which is probably reason enough for Apple choosing to _not_ use OLED for the iPad/Mac lineup, considering mini LED and micro LED being the clear future.
You know you can auto-hide the dock and menu bar in Mac OS, right?
I guess our anecdotals will have to suffice. Everyone I know who owns an OLED device (myself included) says it blows LCD away. Again, LED is just the backlight; you're still viewing an LCD panel, complete with blooming, backlight bleed, lighting uniformity issues, and motion blur. None of which goes away by having Mini-LED.
Mini-LED is a half step up from current LED based displays. It's better than regular LED, sure, but lets not pretend LED-LCD even comes close to OLED, because it doesn't.
While I agree with your general assessment of OLED technology, Apple is still using OLED (with migraine inducing PWM) on its “premium” iPhones. It makes a person wonder.
Apple is not doing micro-LED (yet). They are working on Mini-LED (which is also a thing).
Really, I get the differentials between LCD and OLED, that’s not really what I’m disputing.
That said,
Since were on the anecdotal viewpoints, then I really would encourage you to visit/read in the iPhone forum, there’s dozens of threads discussing LCD versus OLED differences, and even members on here can’t really differentiate the major differences. There’s even YouTube video test(s) showing side-by-side comparisons of the LCD XR from 2018 to the XS in comparison, and they couldn’t differentiate the difference. So what does that tell you? I think that unless you’re really techie like some of us are, average consumers can’t point out the differences, even though there are differences, they’re not drastic enough for anyone really do care about that.
And for that reason alone, it’s obvious why Apple is probably migrating away from OLED, that was probably more of a ‘stand-in ‘technology that’s been around for years until mini LED And Micro LED is matured enough for mass production.
Why on earth would anyone use the iPad to draw while looking at a MacBook that has almost the same exact size image as the display? (referencing photo)
That workflow is awful.
Yeah I know exactly what it stands for because it gives a lot of people eye pain and headaches which is not a big selling point of Apple’s hugh end devices. I along with many other people have this problem and Apple refuses to acknowledge it
I have to say I think the iPad is now one of Apples better devices, as you can actually make use of the screen size! But I wouldn’t touch this tech till maybe third gen.
Apple and new first gen tech really doesn’t go together very well. But it is certainly a step in the right direction. Of just buy an iPad Pro today. Or a new one if it’s announced in October.
Apple and new first gen tech really doesn’t go together very well. But it is certainly a step in the right direction. Of just buy an iPad Pro today. Or a new one if it’s announced in October.
I'm disappointed there is no 9 inch display. I really want something between iPad mini and iPad Pro, with Pro features.
Because that corner is still about a mile away and leads to a very luxurious neighbourhood where only the rich can afford to live.
Says who, you don't know if Apple or someone else has prototypes ready for release, who says it's expensive, with high volume prices should not be high.
I myself think they are already there, they just want to make more money out of old tech.
What's wrong with them...
Mainstream high volume Micro-LED for a reasonable cost is indeed a long way off. This is pretty much common knowledge in the industry. Don't expect it in an iPad for years.
That's what they said years ago.
It's like with new battery tech, half a decade some new battery tech looked promising, we still have to wait for it.
Believe me, the tech is there, they just want to make more money out of the old Fabs, LG was building quite a few OLED Fabrics just 2-1 year ago, that money has to be recovered.
The fabs for micro-LED mass production haven't even been built yet. It's far, far too expensive... It's just not feasible to make it at pricing that makes sense for regular consumers. If you think they're just sandbagging, you are fooling yourself.
So basically, what I said still applies. Don't expect Micro-LED in an iPad any time soon. It's years away.
Says pretty much every tech analyst and the manufacturers themselves.
µLED are a completely new technology, are still difficult to produce reliably, and require completely new production lines. Not a single company working on µLED displays has made an actual announcement of an actual product with an actual release date, not even on the IFA earlier this month.
And even if Apple were unexpectedly to equip all their iPhones, iPads, Apple Watches, MacBooks and iMacs with µLED displays from own production, they would never be able to produce enough panels to get the prices down in a short time.
Even if µLED displays were already available now, they would be in the same position as OLED displays 10 years ago: extremely expensive and available only in comparatively small numbers.