Kuo: iPad Air to Adopt OLED in 2022, Mini-LED to Remain Exclusive to iPad Pro Models

[x-evil-x]

I don't think you are being objective here. First, you compare it to your aging plasma tv which by now has to have awful colour shifts etc. let alone other issues. And then you bring up 900F which is a mid range tv from 2018. I know it because I have the same one.
900F doesn't have that many dimming zones so yeah its not as awesome as the OLED you comparing it to.
Btw, what are the criteria here? It seems to me that you might be only focused on deep blacks and not the overall tech. OLED is crappy in global hence why tech is trying to get MicroLED to the market. MiniLED is the bridge.
You really can't have OLED in computers or devices that use static images for long period of time as no amount of pixel shifting etc. will fix the burn in. TVs are different as they are not on (usually) for 12hours or more a day at home.

So, its nothing to do with my brain. Its when you compared all the specs and features and pros vs cons the MiniLED wins over OLED in almost everything. Sure, OLED gets better blacks but MiniLED can get super super close.

On top of it, TV tech and iPad or computers is different.

And lastly, why are you talking about 4K constantly? That is just resolution so how does that play in here?

I understand the 900f is a middle tier tv. Ive always tried middle classed tv's since 2015 and they all went back. The 900f is nice for sd 4k. HDR the tv isn't wonderful. I tried an oled and was the first tv I was blown away with what I was missing. I didn't want to go 77" oled when I got the 900f because they where too much and I didn't want another 65".
You don't have to believe me that my plasma has a better picture. My friend was the same way until he saw it in person.
Im not trying to fight here all im saying is Oled is amazing and just because you have issues with the way it pulses doesn't mean it bothers other people. I don't have that problem with phones or oles's in general. Even when I do black frame insertion I don't have that problem.
No, im not only focused on black levels. You seem to not understand what having a multi million zone tv really does contrast wise. The image you get has depth no other lcd ive had can do. The only other tv's ive had that can give this same or similar look are my plasmas.
Im saying 4k tv's because yes I have been comparing tv's when I get a new one. My plasmas are 1080p. Shouldn't a middle tier 4k led tv look better than a plasma from 10 years ago? Sure, you'd think so until you actually see them back to back daily. The picture quality from a typical lcd just doesn't compare.
It seems you are very biased because you cant handle oled so you hate on it. I will use anything if it looks better than the other. Just staying what ive been experiencing personally.
Mini led is a first step to micro led yes. Im very excited about micro led. Its okay if you are excited about mini led but ive seen them in person and they don't have a similar look that oled has.
Anyway, you can chose to hate on something because of reasons or enjoy technology you actually like. Ill use anything I like more and that's my basis for everything I use. I won't hate on something because I cant use it without getting headaches.
This person has no issues with burn in. There are plenty of people that have gotten the 48" oled as a computer monitor. Again im not worried about burn in as I didn't get it on my plasma's and my content I watch is similar nowadays.

 

[x-evil-x]

That sounds more like spec counting than an actual comparison. I've only seen 1 mini-LED screen so far and I tried to the the white text scrolling on black background, etc. No blooming to see, etc. It's not like early dimming solutions.

Plasma screens end up looking very muddy. It's fine if you're in a basement with no other sources of lighting. Otherwise, most LCDs end up looking better in more normal lighting conditions. OLED is better than plasma, but it has its own issues. I'd take mini-LED over OLED and would consider that to be the superior technology at this point. It's not micro-LED, but form my limited exposure, it seems better than OLED... at least to me.

Well I am going on specs because they do matter when it comes to number of zones. Isn't that what miniled is trying to do. If you don't talk about the "zones" in miniled compared to another then what are you really comparing.
Yes, please tell me what im looking at is wrong and I should fix my eyes. Its funny people try to talk about things that they have no idea about because they had one bad experience with something they assume other people haven't gotten a good experience from it.
The plasma is in a bedroom. Lights to the left and right and sides of the bed. They can be seen in the tv and I still have compared them back to back for years. To lcd tv's that is. Literally going from one room to another where I have my second avr/surround sound setup I see the difference in displays. Oled is the only display ive had that is better than my plasma's have been. No other lcd tv's have been able to give me the same picture. But according to you its muddy and im seeing things haha ok.

Have you had mini led and oled at home to compare the same content with? My friend has a tcl mini led and it hasn't been too impressive to me from what ive seen over at his place.

 

[Freida]

Lets correct few things here:

I don't have headache from OLED TVs. When I talked about headache before it was mainly from an iPhone but it was one of many drawbacks that OLED has. I think the Sony OLEDs are awesome but I won't be buying one. I was focused on OLED as a tech and you are still stuck on your TV. Your plasma has messed up colours by now unless you didn't use it much. Take same TV as LED and another as OLED and have a look at them 10 years later. OLED will be in worst shape than the LED one.
You still didn't tell us if your plasma was professionally calibrated or not and if you had it calibrated recently to see how much the colours lost?
Anyway, I'm talking about the tech. Oled is overall worse than MiniLED which I'm sure Apple will show you.

You meantioned the TCL tv which you have seen in person - well, if you take one of the crappiest tvs and make a call on that then of course you will think MiniLED sux. I assume you talked about this?

TCL R635 Review (55R635, 65R635, 75R635)

The TCL 6 Series/R635 2020 QLED is TCL's flagship 4k LED TV for 2020. It's part of TCL's 6 Series lineup that includes the TCL 6 Series/R646 2021 QLED and the TC...

www.rtings.com

Anyway, OLED makes sense in phones, tvs, watches but not computer screens that we have on for 12-16hours a day with static content. OLED suffers from burnin - that itself is a no go on its own for a computer screen.

I think the only biased person here is you because I'm choosing the better tech - which on paper LED is

I understand the 900f is a middle tier tv. Ive always tried middle classed tv's since 2015 and they all went back. The 900f is nice for sd 4k. HDR the tv isn't wonderful. I tried an oled and was the first tv I was blown away with what I was missing. I didn't want to go 77" oled when I got the 900f because they where too much and I didn't want another 65".
You don't have to believe me that my plasma has a better picture. My friend was the same way until he saw it in person.
Im not trying to fight here all im saying is Oled is amazing and just because you have issues with the way it pulses doesn't mean it bothers other people. I don't have that problem with phones or oles's in general. Even when I do black frame insertion I don't have that problem.
No, im not only focused on black levels. You seem to not understand what having a multi million zone tv really does contrast wise. The image you get has depth no other lcd ive had can do. The only other tv's ive had that can give this same or similar look are my plasmas.
Im saying 4k tv's because yes I have been comparing tv's when I get a new one. My plasmas are 1080p. Shouldn't a middle tier 4k led tv look better than a plasma from 10 years ago? Sure, you'd think so until you actually see them back to back daily. The picture quality from a typical lcd just doesn't compare.
It seems you are very biased because you cant handle oled so you hate on it. I will use anything if it looks better than the other. Just staying what ive been experiencing personally.
Mini led is a first step to micro led yes. Im very excited about micro led. Its okay if you are excited about mini led but ive seen them in person and they don't have a similar look that oled has.
Anyway, you can chose to hate on something because of reasons or enjoy technology you actually like. Ill use anything I like more and that's my basis for everything I use. I won't hate on something because I cant use it without getting headaches.
This person has no issues with burn in. There are plenty of people that have gotten the 48" oled as a computer monitor. Again im not worried about burn in as I didn't get it on my plasma's and my content I watch is similar nowadays.

 

[anshuvorty]

If this rumor turns out to be correct, can you imagine how amazing Disney+ will look on that OLED iPad Air with Dolby Vision HDR? Phase 4 MCU? Oof....

We already have pseudo-surround sound technology to experience the wonders of theatrical audio through the amazing tech of spatial audio, and the only component missing is that HDR experience on a bigger screen on an Apple device.

It already looks amazing on the iPhone, however, on that smaller screen, it is hard to discern the details of HDR fully.

Damn...this device could become the ultimate consumption device, especially for those long flights that we will be eventually returning to in 2022....

Apple might be onto something here with delaying the roadmap like this...if airtravel does pick back up in 2022, the iPad Air could see a supercycle with the release of the OLED iPad Air in 2022....

iPad Air = perfect for air travel....

 

[cardfan]

Really, the OLED TV has only lasted around 3-1/2 years...and it's burned in? That sucks. I'm planning to upgrade my 7+ year old LCD/LED TV this year...and OLED looks so very beautiful. But I can't get past the burn-in issues for a TV. An OLED-screen phone is fine, because I don't keep them longer than 2-3 years at most. Phone screens are also 'off' much of the time, unlike a TV, when watching, will be active for hours.

Do you watch a lot of programming with stationary logos (news or sports), or are the screen issues just from general use (ie, movies and tv series)?

Family watches it mostly in great room. Of course it’ll be left on or whatever. Yellows look green especially in middle. Burned in especially noticeable on whites. Wife is fine with it so no rush to replace. Lg 55 2017. B series I think bought at Costco.

Got squaretrade at time of purchase. But not sure this is covered. Haven’t messed with that.

 

[x-evil-x]

Lets correct few things here:

I don't have headache from OLED TVs. When I talked about headache before it was mainly from an iPhone but it was one of many drawbacks that OLED has. I think the Sony OLEDs are awesome but I won't be buying one. I was focused on OLED as a tech and you are still stuck on your TV. Your plasma has messed up colours by now unless you didn't use it much. Take same TV as LED and another as OLED and have a look at them 10 years later. OLED will be in worst shape than the LED one.
You still didn't tell us if your plasma was professionally calibrated or not and if you had it calibrated recently to see how much the colours lost?
Anyway, I'm talking about the tech. Oled is overall worse than MiniLED which I'm sure Apple will show you.

You meantioned the TCL tv which you have seen in person - well, if you take one of the crappiest tvs and make a call on that then of course you will think MiniLED sux. I assume you talked about this?

TCL R635 Review (55R635, 65R635, 75R635)

The TCL 6 Series/R635 2020 QLED is TCL's flagship 4k LED TV for 2020. It's part of TCL's 6 Series lineup that includes the TCL 6 Series/R646 2021 QLED and the TC...

www.rtings.com

Anyway, OLED makes sense in phones, tvs, watches but not computer screens that we have on for 12-16hours a day with static content. OLED suffers from burnin - that itself is a no go on its own for a computer screen.

I think the only biased person here is you because I'm choosing the better tech - which on paper LED is

I like that site I use it to shop for tv’s. That TLC still seems like a decent lcd tv but still doesn’t compare to an oled. this is it compared to a typical lg oled.
Here is my gt30 Panasonic plasma. Playing pulp fiction.. Colors are so out of wack I don’t know how I can use this tv. Again, because you think the colors should be completely bad after 10 years I don’t see it. Only thing I’ve noticed is brightness is a little less as far as image goes I don’t see a downgrade in the time I’ve had them.
Professionally calibrated no but I do adjust them to my liking and try different peoples calibrations and adjust things to what I like. I don’t just leave tv’s on vivid and call it a day like normal people.
Common now, I’m done arguing with about what you think is better. I’ll use anything I can see clear differences in. If you don’t believe me then you can go on your biased way of praising mini led for its superiorness in your eyes.
Live with both for a while then come to conclusions about things.

 

[Freida]

Well, I guess this is where we part.
Calibration can't be eyeballed in reality. Most calibrators use device thats around $25k or so to buy (hence why calibration costs around $300) and the measure all colours etc. (Calman) to correctly set the tv to accurately present colours. So unless you have a reading device that you put on your tv and calibrate it yourself then you most likely don't have the right settings.

Anyway, I guess we've solved the puzzle.
Thank you

I like that site I use it to shop for tv’s. That TLC still seems like a decent lcd tv but still doesn’t compare to an oled. this is it compared to a typical lg oled.
Here is my gt30 Panasonic plasma. Playing pulp fiction.. Colors are so out of wack I don’t know how I can use this tv. Again, because you think the colors should be completely bad after 10 years I don’t see it. Only thing I’ve noticed is brightness is a little less as far as image goes I don’t see a downgrade in the time I’ve had them.
Professionally calibrated no but I do adjust them to my liking and try different peoples calibrations and adjust things to what I like. I don’t just leave tv’s on vivid and call it a day like normal people.
Common now, I’m done arguing with about what you think is better. I’ll use anything I can see clear differences in. If you don’t believe me then you can go on your biased way of praising mini led for its superiorness in your eyes.
Live with both for a while then come to conclusions about things.

 

[pdoherty]

I disagree on all counts.

Would probably be helpful to explain why. Most of the items I listed were facts, not speculation or opinion.

 

[Freida]

P.s.: Why is the picture so purple? Is it because of how you took the picture or it actually looks like this in reality?

I've checked the scene from that movie and unless you have different (tweked version) there is not such light source and the lights are natural so the colours shouldn't be purple at all.

I like that site I use it to shop for tv’s. That TLC still seems like a decent lcd tv but still doesn’t compare to an oled. this is it compared to a typical lg oled.
Here is my gt30 Panasonic plasma. Playing pulp fiction.. Colors are so out of wack I don’t know how I can use this tv. Again, because you think the colors should be completely bad after 10 years I don’t see it. Only thing I’ve noticed is brightness is a little less as far as image goes I don’t see a downgrade in the time I’ve had them.
Professionally calibrated no but I do adjust them to my liking and try different peoples calibrations and adjust things to what I like. I don’t just leave tv’s on vivid and call it a day like normal people.
Common now, I’m done arguing with about what you think is better. I’ll use anything I can see clear differences in. If you don’t believe me then you can go on your biased way of praising mini led for its superiorness in your eyes.
Live with both for a while then come to conclusions about things.

 

[pdoherty]

Weird that the guy says this was his only computer monitor but the first 30 seconds of images shows no OS interface at all, just windows of apps or games running in shrunken borders with a background designed to prevent burn in. Where is the static dock/taskbar or icons on the desktop?

 

[x-evil-x]

Well, I guess this is where we part.
Calibration can't be eyeballed in reality. Most calibrators use device thats around $25k or so to buy (hence why calibration costs around $300) and the measure all colours etc. (Calman) to correctly set the tv to accurately present colours. So unless you have a reading device that you put on your tv and calibrate it yourself then you most likely don't have the right settings.

Anyway, I guess we've solved the puzzle.
Thank you

You dont need to explain to me what calibrators use. I’ve worked with them. I used to Instal home audio equipment I understand all of this. I don’t see purple in the tv. Not sure what you are seeing. Right before that picture is this. Again I have no problems with my plasma I think it still looks great or else I would get rid of it.

 

[x-evil-x]

Weird that the guy says this was his only computer monitor but the first 30 seconds of images shows no OS interface at all, just windows of apps or games running in shrunken borders with a background designed to prevent burn in. Where is the static dock/taskbar or icons on the desktop?

He explains what he does to minimize things but also says he doesn’t baby it when it comes to static images he works on. If you watch the video he explains this.

 

[Freida]

Both pictures look awful. You don't see the problem? Either its the way you take the picture (translation from your phone) or your tv really looks like this and that is not right. I've found both scenes and tried to take a picture but its too sunny now so too much reflection etc. Will try tonight in pitch black to show you the difference.
Overall, your colours look unnatural and unhealthy.

You dont need to explain to me what calibrators use. I’ve worked with them. I used to Instal home audio equipment I understand all of this. I don’t see purple in the tv. Not sure what you are seeing. Right before that picture is this. Again I have no problems with my plasma I think it still looks great or else I would get rid of it.

 

[x-evil-x]

Both pictures look awful. You don't see the problem? Either its the way you take the picture (translation from your phone) or your tv really looks like this and that is not right. I've found both scenes and tried to take a picture but its too sunny now so too much reflection etc. Will try tonight in pitch black to show you the difference.
Overall, your colours look unnatural and unhealthy.

Don’t try. It was the background lights showing up. I really don’t care.

 

[Apple_Robert]

I'm so glad Kuo finally clarified this. Does this mean Mini-LED is coming to the 11" iPad Pro too!? All of the rumors have been about the 12.9" but now it's exclusive to the "Pro Line"... hopefully that's the entire Pro line

That would be good news. I wonder if the addition of Mini-LED will mean a price increase.

 

[Freida]

What background light? Your tv has off colours and as you have praised your plasma for being so good its only fair to notice the issue, don't you think?
Here is how it looks on my screens (tried my calibrated tv, MBP and also another screen - these pictures are from the tv so there is some blooming).
As you can see, the colours look way more natural and spot on from the scene lights etc.

Don’t try. It was the background lights showing up. I really don’t care.

 

[Freida]

And the other

 

[Freida]

Your tv needs calibration. Thats the problem most likely

Don’t try. It was the background lights showing up. I really don’t care.

 

[x-evil-x]

And the other View attachment 1747398

Oh my god his chin look so bad. Colors look so off. Just unhealthy. Can’t believe you’re looking at that tv without professional calibration every 6 months to account for the color change in panel. Just stop arguing about phone pictures of a tv or anything to deal with this topic in general. Done and done.

 

[Freida]

Lol, clearly no productive conversation comes out of this. You've presented picture with massive purple tint and off colours and when I showed you how it should look (or at least close) you do this?

Seeing that you were the one talking about how amazing your plasma is after 10 or so years and yet you showed us this it kinda doesn't match up. Clearly, this is the end road for you. Fine by me, I've seen enough

Oh my god his chin look so bad. Colors look so off. Just unhealthy. Can’t believe you’re looking at that tv without professional calibration every 6 months to account for the color change in panel. Just stop arguing about phone pictures of a tv or anything to deal with this topic in general. Done and done.

 

[kyjaotkb]

MicroLED (not miniLED) is the ultimate in image quality that has the best of both worlds without any of the negatives. Manufacturing technology isn't sufficient yet to make the a reality. However, that's still an LCD screen. So, why would you take an OLED screen over any LCD technology? OLED has several key disadvantages such as screen burn-in, "blue shift" over time, eye strain from flicker (pulse width modulation), etc. that you don't get with LCD based screens.

Maybe I should have said over any LCD technology that is currently available.
This article is not about micro-LED, it’s about Mini-LED and micro-LED of a small enough size for mobile devices are still a long while away. Have you personally experienced any of the OLED issues you describe? OLED TVs and iPhone X and later OLED screens are pretty much the best screens you can find.

 

[pdoherty]

I understand the 900f is a middle tier tv. Ive always tried middle classed tv's since 2015 and they all went back. The 900f is nice for sd 4k. HDR the tv isn't wonderful. I tried an oled and was the first tv I was blown away with what I was missing. I didn't want to go 77" oled when I got the 900f because they where too much and I didn't want another 65".

I own a 75” Sony 900E (the year before the 900F) and I think it’s amazing. In fact, I turned on several friends and family to them. My sister now have a 900F 75”, two of my buddies have 65” models and my niece and husband also have a 65” 900E (they bought theirs the same time I got mine at a Black Friday sale).

 

[x-evil-x]

I own a 75” Sony 900E (the year before the 900F) and I think it’s amazing. In fact, I turned on several friends and family to them. My sister now have a 900F 75”, two of my buddies have 65” models and my niece and husband also have a 65” 900E (they bought theirs the same time I got mine at a Black Friday sale).

They are nice tv’s but the hdr in them is mediocre. Sdr content I have no problems with it and it looks great. If I watch any hdr stuff it’s mostly on the oled now it’s just way better for it.

 

[dgdosen]

Based on today's release - I can see Apple marketing the mini LED to the "pro" users who could use an iPad to create and edit video... and then use an OLED for those iPads still targeted at consumption...

I'd gladly take the latter - especially in mini form...

 

[awsom82]

OLED is bad, hope iPad will adopt micro-LED