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So their entire Lineup in 2022 will be 5G Ready?

This is great. Let's accelerate the transition to 5G. We should be reforming as much 4G spectrum to 5G as possible.

I am also wondering if 2022 will be good time for Apple to test their own 5G modem on SE.
 
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They already used the design 3 times 7,8 and the current SE.

Using the same design in 2022 will make it look dated. Even now some people are complaining that the SE looks like it’s a phone from 2016. Having the same the same design for a 2022 phone is laughable.
I agree it will seem dated, but to play devil’s advocate, Apple probably doesn’t consider the 7 to have the same design as the 8. Otherwise they would have called it the 7s.

They must think the glass back makes it a different design, even though I know that’s not really how it should work.
 
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Yeah, by 2022 they could simply keep selling the 2020 iPhone Mini at a discount to match the price of the SE.

The 4.7" design looks very dated now, let alone a year from now.

no because the Se is a new phone. People are likely to buy a new phone with a dated design but flagship spec but not a 2 year old phone. It’s about newness.
They also would have a tough time marketing a phone 2 years later.
 
I am not surprised by this rumored news. It fits the Apple narrative. I believe it sells well mainly because of the price. If Apple had offered the mini at $699, it may have sold even more with its staggered release.

I had the SE 2020 when it first came out and it was still a little too big for my liking, along with the round design, which made it harder to hold.
 
I don't get why they need the se anymore they should retire this style and just go with the new models

not when it comes to case compatibility (which many members here forget). Cases for the SE in its form are compatible with the 8,7,6s,6 and with a 2022 SE using the same form factor its a win for case makers
 
It may never happen, but I think Apple should overhaul their lineup. It's to bloated in my opinion.
It could look something like this:

iPhone Mini: 64GB/256GB - from $499
iPhone: 128GB/512GB - from $699
iPhone Max: 128GB/512GB - from $799
iPhone Pro: 256GB/1TB - from $1.299
🤔
 
Kill the SE with fire!

It’s eating into the Mini sales and jeopardizing it’s future.

If Apple holds onto the mini long term, the should stay along for the ride. If its going to impact a similar, superior product, get rid of it.
It would be nice to make the mini more affordable, maybe not replacing the SE, but simplifying the lineup would allow us to see the previous mini (this is, the 12 mini later this year) as a base iPhone starting at 499, for instance. That would be a great starting point.
 
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It would be nice to make the mini more affordable, maybe not replacing the SE, but simplifying the lineup would allow us to see the previous mini (this is, the 12 mini later this year) as a base iPhone starting at 499, for instance. That would be a great starting point.
But then the mini would eat into the next models sales.

in all honesty, the 12 and 12 pro models are the issue. There’s really no need for the 12 which is a slightly bigger mini and the pro which is a smaller pro max with slightly weaker camera optics.

drop the 12 model

have the iPhone mini as the base model at $599, iPhone 12 Pro 799, pro max at $999

the se should still exist at 299-399 for those who want that entry level iPhone.

selling last year models and the xr are more of a threat to the mini than the iPhone se
 
Hope this isn't true. Was looking forward to a potential SE Plus, either in the 8+ or XR/11 format. I can see why apple does this tho. All they need to do is slap an A15, 5G antenna, and perhaps the main lens from the 12 into the SE 2020 shell and they've got a seller. They'll defo need to do something about the battery life though if 5g is included.
 
I dont get this soectation abiut SE edtion, is just a 4 years old iOhone with some two upgraded things from a 3 years old iphone
 
It would be nice to make the mini more affordable, maybe not replacing the SE, but simplifying the lineup would allow us to see the previous mini (this is, the 12 mini later this year) as a base iPhone starting at 499, for instance. That would be a great starting point.
The SE will cannibalize the Mini. If there can only be one, it needs to be the Mini. If both can stay, party on SE.
 
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The SE will cannibalize the Mini. If there can only be one, it needs to be the Mini. If both can stay, party on SE.
The se doesn’t cannibalize the Se anymore than the se cannibalizes the iPhone XR or 11 which are still selling well.

the iPhone 11/xr are cheaper and more on par.

if I was a first time iPhone buyer but didn’t want to spend a lot but also wanted more than the se but without the iPhone mini price I’d get the 499 xr.
 
I love my 2020 SE. It does everything I need at a great price point, and I can easily use it with one hand. I used to upgrade just about every year starting from my iPhone 3G. There was always some killer feature that I wanted.

I’d love to take advantage of the great camera/screen improvements in higher end models, but there aren’t any killer features for me at least to justify spending hundreds of dollars more. Someday I’ll get a 5G phone, but 5G is still in its infancy in my area. I’ll wait until coverage is more widespread.
 
If there is going to be one it needs to be the se because Apple needs a device in that price range.

EXACTLY! The 2020 iPhone SE can be had for $200 (Total Wireless), $150 if they're a new customer. There's millions willing to pay $200 for a new iPhone, but not the $700+ which the 12 Mini is commanding (or even the $350 XR). If the new SE weren't available, I'd still be using Android. Apple needs a device in this range to eat into the market even more. The form factor is amazing (as I'm sure it is with the 12 Mini as well), many people love having a smaller device where they can perform 90% of the functions with the hand that's holding it. I hope this SE trend holds up!!!
 
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Just like the useless new „iPad“ still using the Apple Pencil 1, this device only exists, to justify the high starting prices of the actual latest devices

It's not useless. The current iPad is a go-to for many people needing a cheap but powerful computer for at-home classes and business meetings. It came out at the right time. Not everyone can afford the Air or Pro.
 
I don't get why they need the se anymore they should retire this style and just go with the new models

Just like the useless new „iPad“ still using the Apple Pencil 1, this device only exists, to justify the high starting prices of the actual latest devices

No I actually prefer this design.

-I don't have to choose between notch or punch hole
-Full touchID, no FaceID and touch strip that works really bad like on new iPad
-The screen size is manageable over the the iphone 12.something which I can't use one handed
-the colours of the display is more pleasant over the yellowish iphone 12(for me)
-Best part, its actually cheaper in price

I find it ironic that people complain about the "big ugly bezels" but somehow they just don't notice the notch 🤣🤣
 
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It's not useless. The current iPad is a go-to for many people needing a cheap but powerful computer for at-home classes and business meetings. It came out at the right time. Not everyone can afford the Air or Pro.

That’s exactly my point though. Before Tim Cook and his upselling strategy came along, you could just buy the latest greatest device for a „reasonable“ price while the previous generation would drop in price but now they release those „entry“ models to be able to charge extra for the latest and greatest. Look at the iPad Air, it used to cost what this entry model with tech from 2 generations ago costs now.
 
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