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Recently online-attended a Final Cut Pro summit conference which lasted 7 days. Some of the presentations were related to the iPhone 12 Pro camera, HDR capabilities and ProResRAW... it is a bit mind blowing, some of the pictures and movies were gorgeous and full of recoverable information: a picture could have been shot as a full white sky but can be under exposed afterwards and start seeing the clouds and other details that were there when taken.

On a pocket device... it truly demolishes the previous phones on that front (including the 8s of course!) and in all other fronts, cpu and gpu performance is unparalleled and in practical terms is also mind blowing: a AAA-lite like game that runs at like 10fps on an 8 runs at solid unstoppable unflinched 60fps on a 12.


I think cameras are important for these all-in-one pocket computers but to be honest, I very rarely use them overall... I don’t even use my phone as a phone either overall; I browse, read, check emails, reminders, chat, jog, spend time over here a whole lot more (50x more) than the time I spend making a phone call.

Issue is, these things being like a 60things-in-one devices... what should they focus on then? I think the screen resolution and performance are good enough so maybe they should stop focusing less on that and more on accurate GPS? What about speakers? I stopped caring about them 6 years ago (always in silent mode and always wireless earbuds)

What I mean is, it is impossible to please everybody because it does so many many tasks.

One thing though a decade ago, or even less, 5 years ago (I assume it was only an exaggeration joke) those cameras by today’s comparison are actually bad... plenty bad.

Exactly. I read the Halide developers’ blog and it’s exciting just how powerful the 12 is, especially the Pro Max. I’m no pro by any stretch but just being able to see the amazing natural depth of field this new camera has on something as dumb as a beer photo is amazing.
 

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That could be true, but the thing that's never been clarified is this...are the sensors and lenses integral to each other as a single device or are they independent and each can be changed separately....I just like I do at work in a television facility.
I could be wrong but if memory serves me, one iPhone model upgraded the sensor but not the lenses (or vice versa). Either way, it’ll be interesting to see how things pan out!
 
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What kind of pictures are you guys taking that you need camera upgrades?

(Similar to the question: What are you guys using the phone for that you need 5G?)

:D
I'm a photographer in my spare time who sells artwork all taken/processed on the iPhone. That's my niche in the local community. A higher quality camera is extremely useful. I made a few k last year. When I look back at my old photos taken with older iPhones they aren't useful for anything more than a 4x6 print - at most.
 
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This is my first year of breaking an annual iPhone upgrade streak, thanks to the pandemic — I don’t need to fulfill my vain obligation to always have the best tech at the office — because my office is at home!
It was an easy decision, since there was absolutely NO significant upgrade from the 11 Pro Max to the 12. But the marketing kicked in later — and boy, were the headlines tantalizing. Everyone from
CNET on down — touting the same marketing bull and hype over a camera. If you’re keeping notes, that was the same crap they touted with the iPhone X vs 11 — and yet my miniature photography still sucks, and Facebook still makes all your photos looks like puke in the end. There’s no substitute for a good lighting setup — and unless Apple changes their software to override facebook’s downsampling bs — what’s the point of having a better camera?
 
This is welcome news for those of us who roll their eyes when iPhone events spend 30 minutes discussing camera improvements.

It’s time for Apple to focus on screen quality, improving battery life, better sounding & louder speakers and shrinking that damn notch.
 
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I upgraded to my 12 pro just from the 7. Very happy and camera and battery are incredible. I get 5G speeds which are around 700mbps and my wifi is better than ever. Great phone. Keep going Apple. By the time I upgrade around the 14/15 I hope to see another major upgrade :)
People who expect massive jumps year on year are stupid. They don’t get the business model. What keeps the second market so good on apple products is that the previous models are still relevant and supported.. what don’t people appreciate about this.. they want planned obsolescence???
 
GREAT! this iPhone 12 Max was expensive. Tired of upgrades. Not much different from my iPhone 8 Plus. better camera. I'm happy where I'm at. 5G No Big deal.
Great? Who says you have to buy the latest phone just because it’s better than yours? Is there some rule that says nobody else can have a better phone than you? Technology should stop progressing until you’re ready to get a new phone?
 
Interesting I was expecting more Zoom range. Looks like not coming soon.

Which begs the question, what is left for this year upgrade? 120hz OLED on the Pro, WiFi 6E. Some people suggest X60 modem although I seriously doubt that.

They already update the Camera Sensors last year. And they normally reuse those for at least 2 generations.
Probably ProMotion on the Pros, and better battery life/performance with an improved A-series SoC for the whole lineup. They could easily call the next model a "12S" based on these changes, but Apple did go from the 6S to the 7, despite the relatively minor changes between those models.

There's no way they don't go to the X60 this year. Looking more and more like that will coincide with 5G DSDS and VoNR, even though it is suspected that the X55 can support both. X60 also brings them sub-6 + mmWave carrier aggregation.
 
As the camera is one of the biggest selling points of iPhones these days, I find this report highly unlikely.
people are simply not understanding this report.

macrumours have done a poor title.

kuo is on about the main sensor for the main lens not all lens. ultra wide is getting a massive upgrade this year with pericope lens in 2022 is what Kuo reported on just a few weeks ago....
 
If they could just figure out exactly what Google does with the Pixel and put that in the iPhone that would be perfect.

iPhone 11 Pro takes better video and maybe better outdoor scenery pictures... Like 99.9% of people, I was trying to take good pictures of my kids opening their Christmas presents in moderately low light. Blurry. Wife's Pixel looks like a DSLR by comparison.
Sounds like you have a fault unit as the 11 pro certainly does not/should not take better photos than the 12 pro/max.
 
The camera loving side of me is saddened by this, while the fiscally responsible side is relieved. I'm holding out for something beyond a 2x zoom, whether that's optically or the Super Res Zoom tech of Google Pixel.
 
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The camera loving side of me is saddened by this, while the fiscally responsible side is relieved. I'm holding out for something beyond a 2x zoom, whether that's optically or the Super Res Zoom tech of Google Pixel.
pericope lens is still expected in 2022
 
well this sucks. i was kind of hoping that the 13 will finally show some real improvements, as opposed to the 12(and 11 really). not sure if i will want to keep my xs yet another year...
 
Exactly. I read the Halide developers’ blog and it’s exciting just how powerful the 12 is, especially the Pro Max. I’m no pro by any stretch but just being able to see the amazing natural depth of field this new camera has on something as dumb as a beer photo is amazing.
Which phone did you take this picture with?
 
That OLED screen on my 12 is by far THE feature I love the most. I'm curious to know what you don't like about it.

Dark Mode is amazing and lets me sleep better when I use my phone before going to sleep.
I do a lot of photography and prefer my colors and contrast to be displayed more neural and accurate.
 
So I guess this years iPhones will be more of a screen related upgrade? 120hz, 10bit colour display and 1500 peak nit brightness?
 
Why the doubt about the X60?

X60 is fabbed on 5nm, on TSMC it would have meant *double* the 5nm order if they are Fabbing both A15 and Modem.

If it was on Samsung I seriously doubt they have the yield and capacity in time for Apple. Samsung Foundry has a history of over promise and under deliver.

But we should know soon once we have shipment data on Qualcomm SD 888 ( also based on Samsung 5nm ) along with the soon to be announced 5nm Exynos 1080.

Remember we are talking about 100M annual unit. Not a small amount by any standard, especially on leading edge node.
 
What kind of pictures are you guys taking that you need camera upgrades?

(Similar to the question: What are you guys using the phone for that you need 5G?)

:D
For many here, it isn't about need as it is about wanting to rationalize the yearly upgrade and be able to brag to others they have the latest and greatest iPhone.
 
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