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In comes the “you should have waited” crowd to the current gen buyers. It’s exhausting to read on every device thread.
 
Again, folks here need to stop speaking as representatives of everyone, when they are demonstrably not.
Darth Tulhu said:
The TouchBar should be optional, or at best additional to the function keys we all know and love.
OK, I meant to say know and/or love.

And I thought this was implied, but I'll add "in my (not so) humble opinion" as a prefix.
 
funtion keys are an old tech...like numpads are now...
And FN keys are even different on the macbook air with spotlight search, DND and so on...like a touchbar just more limited since you cannot change those buttons into anything else
I guess you are a person who is not using better touch tools, thats why you still like that old fn keys
Right. It's so great that it's ONLY on the MacBook Pros, and Apple already backpedaled a bit on it's "flexible" design by adding the ESC key back.

BetterTouchTool is wonderful no question, and if I had a Mac with a TouchBar it would almost be irresponsible not to use it because I paid for it, and it's there, so...

But do I want it? No. Need it? Nope. Find it useful when presented with no other choice? Sure.

That's the Apple way, isn't it?
 
Aren't the current four iterations of the iPhone 12 powered by roughly the same chip? I'd look for Apple to follow this pattern in other products with their silicon.
At the moment they are not (except the entry level Air which has "only" 7 GPU cores).

The only difference - at the moment - is that the Air is passively cooled (like the iPads) and the Pro (and Mac Mini) has a fan, for active cooling, allowing it to run at "full speed" for longer.

I was referring to MacBook Pro 16" next year, at least the 16" will have a chip that is larger die size if they intend to have it operate on 50W+ The current SoC are already pushing it at 25W. Which only fits MacBook Pro 13" with room to spare. ( Or Apple decide to go thinner again )
 
Thanks! Yeah most of my work is cloud based, and the most I ever stress my hardware is light Photoshop/Lightroom use. May branch out into some basic video editing, but I assume that would be possible on base MBA.

Mostly what I would be concerned with is if the mini-LED is vastly superior in display capabilities and/or dramatically (10-15%+) improved battery life. Not sure if that could be determined based on this info though.
I'd guess that in 2022 a base M1 MacBook Air would still fetch about $500.
 
Dear Apple, please scrap the TouchBar on the next MacBook Pro redesign.

From: Everyone
I'd like a version with real keys up there, but they have oled displays in them so their function can change. Also the new oled like the Apple Watch that stays on the whole time. tapping to wake the Touch Bar is even more annoying than the Touch Bar itself
 
Indeed.
There needs to be some more ways to differentiate the "Pro" and "Air" with the same size, CPU, RAM, hard drive screen size, etc.




My mother loves the touch bar. I'd rather have function keys. My mother users her MacBook Pro for email, YouTube, and Netflix. I use my iMac to make money. I use my '15 13" MBP for email, YouTube, and spreadsheets. I don't care either way on the touch bar for my "play" computer, but for crying out loud, why'd they get rid of MagSafe on the new machines? My pets felled my 2004 PowerBook multiple times tripping on the cord and the last time the power pin broke off inside the machine. My MBP's had MagSafe unplugged multiple times. Apple even had a hilarious commercial about Windows laptops falling down after the cord got yanked.

Enough ranting, all I want is an M2 CPU and 32GB of RAM.
Better make it 64GB on the 16”, and could also use a 27” mini-LED AppleDisplay to couple with it.
Don’t we all miss magsafe? I think even Apple must miss it (proprietary chargers?), though EU is pushing towards non-sense “universal” charging interface.
 
I hope that by "affordable" they mean 700 or less on the MBAir. By 2022 this stuff should be fairly mature and might have some decent Windows on ARM support.
 
Quite simply the M1 is designed for the machines it was put into. That's why 3 machines were updated at the same time. The 3 lowest end Macs.

The next AS chip will be designed for the machines that it goes into and will similarly blow its predecessor away in every respect.

I'm really tired of this constant moving of the bar and dooming about graphics. I'm sorry but graphics are not the untouchable, exclusive domain of 2 companies. Apple knows what they're doing and will deliver the graphics performance that each machine needs.
Technically agree, but Let’s hope they also promote, and allure developers into Metal, as without Metal optimization in pro software, I presume things will not get better for pro users...also hopping, without much faith, I must confess, for discrete graphics.
 
That and improved local dimming (each LED is .2mm or smaller). Basically a different way of trying to achieve what OLED does - deep blacks, rich colors, but Mini-LED will be able to produce brighter peak brightness levels. Mini-LED also won't be susceptible to permanent burn-in like OLED. And it's not as expensive to implement as OLED.

Higher Peak Brightness is not likely to increase battery life for screens that are not dominated by black/dark content. It will help with high range color reproduction (via local dimming/brightness).

If have dozens of more lights and have to compute which ones are on and what level that is a harder problem than just 1-4 lights and you get whatever the results are.

Folks who put the screen theme into "dark mode" and darken out lots or areas on the screen then yes. ( if turning more of the additional lights off then they don't consume power. ). Similarly if can put the peak brightness into just one zone and leave the rest in lower brightness. But all of that is varying by the screen content. The classic word processor/spreadsheet on bright white screen with small black text probably isn't going to drive big power savings.

Deep Blacks dominating the screen for vast majority of the time isn't really a widespread "norm".
 
Better display experience, local dimming and some energy savings too

More lights and more control processing for the lights may not bring energy savings on many regular mainstream screens. If can turn most of the them offf ( or way down ) with a dark mode theme perhaps. But that is content based savings, not really the tech.

If vast majority of the content is bring and complex dynamics scenes then could use more. The XDR monitor has fans in it. Most monitors don't . ( yes, it is being held to higher color accuracy but it is also producing heat with its array and the associated processing. ).
 
Quite simply the M1 is designed for the machines it was put into. That's why 3 machines were updated at the same time. The 3 lowest end Macs.
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Actually not. The Mini wouldn't have to backslide on port allocation and display support if it wasn't an addition volume outlet for the others.

Apple primary approach with their processor design to date as been to use the same SoC as "hand me down" into several product. The mainstream iPad line up is entirely phone SoCs . Homepod .... really old phone processors. Apple TV really old iPad Pro processor. The Apple watch is now sharing efficiency cores design with iPhone SoC . etc. etc. (and all watches $300-3,000 all come with same SoC for a given generation. )

Apple isn't super customizing this to each every Mac product. They are probably working toward the minimal set they can get away with. Apple hasn't previously pushed the GPU envelope on the 21.5" class iMacs so pretty good chance whatever the MBP 16" gets will be dropped in an iMac 21-24" model also. ( along with a 4 port MBP 13" ).

Similarly the half sized Mac Pro rumors are indicative to Apple "walking back" the Mac Pro to something closer to an iMac 27" SoC. ( dumping most of the slots because major chucking of i/O bandwidth provisioning ).


On the whole the M-series is probably generally going to be closer coupled to laptop requirements than desktops ones. Apple will extend the performance so get some bump on the desktops eventually rolled out to but brings "power usage" savings to those system is likely going to be principle side effect.



I'm really tired of this constant moving of the bar and dooming about graphics. I'm sorry but graphics are not the untouchable, exclusive domain of 2 companies. Apple knows what they're doing and will deliver the graphics performance that each machine needs.

It wasn't two companies in the current Intel era. The larger GPU vendor in the current Mac space is Intel. Not the AMD vs Nvidia fan boy wars that commonly boil the forum threads here.

That is Apple's primary target. The dGPUs in the MBP 16" is next in line. ( as stated above that will probably have a happy side effect for Apple of covering the bottom half of iMac line up with a "good enough" solution also. ). Volume wise that is probably large double digit percentage of the dGPU component purchases that Apple does. An Unified Memory iGPU with bigger caches and lots more bandwidth could cover that with just incremental modifications.

But iMac 27 , iMac Pro , and Mac Pro. That's probably more so putting an iGPU common floor under all of those rather than replacing all of the dGPU options there. Replacing every single dGPU that Apple buys would be a dubious move for Apple. As they go up product line up , the volume goes way, way ,way down. [ The Mac Pro comes with a 580X or W5500 starting point. They'd only really need to just get within a reasonable distance of that to call it quits (provision a virtualized interface for native iPhone apps to run on) and just punt work on the rest of the range to third parties through the available slot(s). ]


Apple's super high priority on energy efficiency is probably going to keep them in the "Unified Memory" GPU zone. Which at some point in the super high , embarrassingly parallel computation space ... starts to loose traction. Just way more cores than going to get around a single centralized , limited size "System cache" just won't cut it.
 
I just ordered a MBP M1 from Costco. It has what i want, touchbar (yes I like it) fantastic battery life, extra storage 512Gig but no 16Gig RAM. Hoping 8Gig will be enough since Costco doesn't offer 16Gig RAM models and I don't plan to run multiple high end apps in parallel.
But this is a new generation (kind of given M1) and I just realized that Costco gives you 90 days of return and 2 year warranty which basically means I don't have to pay for AppleCare if it turns out to be issues with this 1st gen although I highly doubt it.
Of course a redesign would be nice but this version has what i want, decent price, speed(!), great screen, battery life and I don't need more than 2 ports. Should get it soon to test.

So what differentiate Micro LED and Mini LED, someone wrote there is a huge difference?

Not sure about the Costco’s where you are, but here in Canada, the Mac’s that Costco sells all have AppleCare+ included in the price. For the 13” M1 MacBook Pro (512GB/8GB) it sums up to ~ $100 off buying the same config with AppleCare+ from Apple.
 
I can't imagine the power savings from this combination. Hopefully Apple is able to come up with their own DLSS alternative.
 
Function keys where removed precisely because they have very little it not no use. The touch bar has added function where there was non. You can't scrub a time line with function keys and you can't set named keys to 'build', 'run', 'test', 'compile', etc in your IDE.
You can do all of those things with buttons that already existed on-screen that didn't require you shifting your focus from screen to keyboard(and back again once you've hit the "button"). Alternatively, virtually everything on a Touch Bar can be done with keyboard shortcuts. The only positive thing the Touch Bar has done is make it easier for lazy users to find features instead of using the menus. For intermediate/advanced users I suspect it's 100% a hindrance.
 
my personal theory is that apple will wait until 2022 to release a compact MacBook because they need to workout the keyboard in the previous 12 inch MacBook and redesign. it will be a 12.5 or 12.9 inch MacBook and the Air will get dropped. it will be 2 lb and will have an M2, 8 core. The current air is as thick as my 16 inch MacBook Pro on the top end and weighs as much as the 13 pro. there is no need for the Air. its too fat and and heavy for what it is supposed to be. the new 13 MacBook will have a regular LCD and will see for $999 or $899 and will be the best choice for travel and students cue to cost and compact size. Also everyone loves that MacBook just like they loved the iPhone SE 1. due to the release of iPhone mini I feel Apple is listening to what people want and before 2017, apple was releasing the 12 inch yearly. The new M chips are ideal because the point of the 12 inch was to be fanless and portable and the 13 Air isnt all that portable. This is why ill wait until Apple gives me the laptop I want. then ill keep it til its dead because its not for editing 10 bit raw videos anyways. come on apple. roll out the 2 lb MacBook 12.9" for $899. I'll pre-order same day of announcement.
 
Oh wait, a research note, not a rumour from Ming. Everyone bow down for the he is here!

Shh, I hear voices, they're telling me a device will be launched to the market, it'll have this screen, a new chip and a keyboard, you won't pay less than previous models, but more!
 
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