Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
How are optical drives related to SSDs?
And seriously, the number of people that actually NEED an optical drive are quickly becoming a minority and internal optical drives are definitely going the way of the Dodo bird. If the next MacBook Pro still has one it will probably be the last.

I sugest you go back and read your own post #128 - you brought the ssd up as more reliable due to lack of moving parts. My experience with the latest OWC 6G ssd with crappy Sandforce controllers = no reliability. I did no relate it to an optical drive but did counter your point about ssd reliability.
 
I sugest you go back and read your own post #128 - you brought the ssd up as more reliable due to lack of moving parts. My experience with the latest OWC 6G ssd with crappy Sandforce controllers = no reliability. I did no relate it to an optical drive but did counter your point about ssd reliability.

I have a Mercury Extreme 480gb drive from OWC as mu main drive, and it has been flawless for many many months under heavy loads.
 
I think nowadays there are more important things than optical drives, lightness, battery life, SSDs, I think we could easily get rid of the optical drive on the new mbook pro and go for external ones for people that feel the need 4 them.
 
I believe we are beginning to see the cannibalization of the notebook PC market (both Mac and Windows) by the tablet (Apple sells more tablets than most other companies' combined sales of desktops and notebooks). As tablets become more powerful, I expect this trend to continue.

No doubt about that. Though people still need a real computer at home. I'm sure that every iPad owner has a computer at home. They just are heading back toward the big desktop and the iPad for convenience, instead of just a laptop. And the desktop is now on a five year replacement cycle, while laptops would typically fail for one reason or another before five years forcing an upgrade.
 
I have a Mercury Extreme 480gb drive from OWC as mu main drive, and it has been flawless for many many months under heavy loads.

Glad yours has worked out - the 6G Extreme pro has been problematic for a number of MacPro users. I went through a couple of them and wasted many, many hours before getting a refund.
 
I agree with all your points 100%. I upgraded some of our staff laptops at work to Lion by request of those staff members, and they cannot stand the new features you mention, 'Versions' in particular. To my (and their) minds, all the new features in 'Lion' have tried to fix problems that did not need fixing, or replacing file management paradigms that worked absolutely perfectly and have done for decades. If you're going to have 'Versions', at least have it as a feature you can turn on or off. Personally i hate it, and i'm always open to new ways of doing things. Also, if you're saving documents on any kind of network, be it SMB, or even AFP, 'Versions' doesn't work. It's made our lives so much harder it's untrue. Two of our staff demanded i put Snow Leopard back on just because of that.

'Resume' is also a gigantic pain in the ass, especially as even if you turn it off it stays on with most apps. The one which really gets me in your list though is the maximise button. They've had so many versions of OSX to fix this, and they still haven't. I'm also annoyed they got rid of the tablet button, because disk images and some other folders will still open in one of those windows without the title bar, and now you have to go into a menu to bring it back.

'Autosave' annoys me personally the most. I often open up an image in 'Preview' and just change the colours or rotate it just to see what it looks like, never intending to save it. I will close it down, then open it a day later and notice to my horror that despite my not saving it, it has kept the changes i made. I REALLY don't like that. I want to choose if i save it or not.

At the very least i expect these things to be fixed in 'Mountain Lion', as a lot of people have complained about this to me, and i know so many people have made their feelings known to Apple about this. Quite honestly, it should all be fixed in Lion as a free update, but i doubt that'll happen as it would have already i imagine.

I approve of the rant.
Apple really need to stop this notion that we don't need control over our files and that Apple can provide a 'one size fits all' approach to developing software. Lion just feels one step closser to the horror show that Windows Vista created.

This need to develope software to the lowest common denominator is more restrictive than progressive.
 
I approve of the rant.
Apple really need to stop this notion that we don't need control over our files and that Apple can provide a 'one size fits all' approach to developing software. Lion just feels one step closser to the horror show that Windows Vista created.

This need to develope software to the lowest common denominator is more restrictive than progressive.

you will do as Apple says and you will like it! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
 
I have a Mercury Extreme 480gb drive from OWC as mu main drive, and it has been flawless for many many months under heavy loads.

I've used intel SSD and found them outstanding. Their relighability even after 3 years has been flawless. SSD is also the best performance improvement you can upgrade on any computer.

Once you go SSD you will never go back. Just buy strong brands. Its well known that cheap hardware will be unreliable.

----------

you will do as Apple says and you will like it! Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

It's so true... Using iOS really does feel like your following the yellow brick road.
 
Lion blows- do you hear that analysts?
So yes, crappy software can impact hardware sales too.

Lion was a good idea terribly executed. Mountain Lion is definitely going to be good (I hope)...

If they address the issues they had with Lion, and make sure that iCloud integration becomes much better, I would be happy to pay for Mountain Lion.

What would be great is if they made it a free upgrade for Lion users, but allowed Snow Leopard users direct paid upgrades
 
I fail to understand the hubub. The MacBook Pro gets refreshed once every 8-10 months. It has followed this schedule since it was called the PowerBook G4, if not before then. Similarly, the iMac gets refreshed once every 8-10 months and has since the iMac G4 days if not earlier. I suppose the Mac mini isn't consistent, nor is the MacBook Air, nor is the Mac Pro, and I suppose that all three of those oddball (in terms of timing) lines are due, but save for the Mac Pro, they're not drastically overdue.
 
At the very least i expect these things to be fixed in 'Mountain Lion', as a lot of people have complained about this to me, and i know so many people have made their feelings known to Apple about this. Quite honestly, it should all be fixed in Lion as a free update, but i doubt that'll happen as it would have already i imagine.

WWDC 2012

*Tim Cook walks on stage to a thunderous applause. 40 minutes of sales and iOS stuff.

"And now we come back to the Mac. Mountain Lion blah blah blah blah. Old habits die hard so we've merged Expose with Mission Control and have given users the option to change it as they please. Welcome to Mountain Lion."

See, they can just call it innovation, charge us for it, and we all wonder how we lived without it.
 
Story totally makes sense...I just don't see who would have "expected" higher mac sales without any of them getting an update. The Mac Pro in particular is horribly out of date (and I don't just mean the CPU, things like SATA III).
 
For its APUs yes!

The APUs provide much better GPU performance so they would be preferred over Intel in certain machines. Mainly those machines targetted at HTPC usage and maybe the AIRs.

Mind you this is even after Ivy Bridge comes out. With Trinity AMD should have a full 50% better performance measure.

Admittedly AMD doesn't hold up well CPU wise. While that does suck for some, it would hardly be noticeable for most users as the GPUs have a significant impact on the user experience.
but do we really want to go AMD just yet?


----------

I like Lion. It's been really good to me -- so far.

I'm the ultimate non-power user, though.

I do get a bit of beach balling from time to time but we are talking old hardware with a slow laptop disk. But other than that Lion has been verupy good for me. In general the performance is better, and the supplied apps are far more bug free.

----------

I hope by now people realize that Intel is the problem here, not Apple. To many new chips slipped significantly past expected shipping dates.

As to Apple well I think the big thing there is that people are excited about the prospects here of very interesting updates all around. The problem is the most interesting updates are a ways off. For example rumor has it that AIR suitable chips won't even ship until June. It is the thought though of an AIR shipping with a much better GPU and USB 3 that is very pleasing to think about.

In some cases though I suspect people will be disappointed expecting to much out of the updates. That is their problem, rational minds should see the value in these new chips especially the USB3 support and other niceties. So I think the hubbub is somewhat justified, some of Apples machines you would not want to buy now if at all avoidable.


I fail to understand the hubub. The MacBook Pro gets refreshed once every 8-10 months. It has followed this schedule since it was called the PowerBook G4, if not before then. Similarly, the iMac gets refreshed once every 8-10 months and has since the iMac G4 days if not earlier. I suppose the Mac mini isn't consistent, nor is the MacBook Air, nor is the Mac Pro, and I suppose that all three of those oddball (in terms of timing) lines are due, but save for the Mac Pro, they're not drastically overdue.
 
While I don't agree with every complaint here, you need to express your opinion to #

I approve of the rant.
Apple really need to stop this notion that we don't need control over our files and that Apple can provide a 'one size fits all' approach to developing software. Lion just feels one step closser to the horror show that Windows Vista created.

This need to develope software to the lowest common denominator is more restrictive than progressive.

Frankly I like many of Lions new file handling features but not all of them. Auto resume is perhaps the worst as I seldom want my apps to start up where I left off. In fact if that is a concern I simply leave the App running. Not to mention this slows app start up time significantly.

On the other hand some of the other features I do like, auto save and versions can protect you from self inflicted and other issues. On the other hand saving is really screwed up.

Beyond that I do think you are right about the concept of control over your files, in the end it makes the OS less user friendly. This is something that frustrates me about iOS. Sometimes you just need to access files with different apps than their creators. This is one big use case that seems to have escaped Apple. I know they are truing to secure the system but it can be very frustrating.

----------

Smart people buy what they need when they need it.
Ivy Bridge won't be a breakthrough compared to Sandy bridge.
Most probably Haswell will be. Not any soon, though.

If you are buying any Mac with integrated only GPUs then Ivy Bridge is very much worth waiting for. Or if you want USB 3.

On the flip side the gains won't be as huge for most of the CPU functionality. So it is all about perspective here. If you look at the package as a whole Ivy Bridge will be a break through for things like the AIR and Mini.
 
The problem isn't with the poster you are responding to.

The problem is very much with the people supporting matte screen even when it has been shown that they are a terrible option. It isn't law but rather addressing the delusional.

'Stop sitting by windows'

I used to think owning a mac was a status symbol; having the money to buy a nice machine to get some serious graphic design work. Now I see myself as being associated with individuals that display an unhealthy amount of arrogance.

Let me tell you something: your condescending attitude isn't needed, not on Macrumors or any other. The fact that your situation suits you fine isn't law.

This 'our way or the highway' mentality Apple has instilled is disgusting.
It has nothing to do with "our way or the highway" it has to do with the wisdom in shipping hardware no rational person wants. You have to understand how incredibly tiny the matte screen crowd is. Beyond that there is little wisdom in Apples courting a customer base that whines about every little feature of the shipping hardware. Especially in the case of the matte screen crowd which seems hell bent on denying reality.
 
If you are buying any Mac with integrated only GPUs then Ivy Bridge is very much worth waiting for. Or if you want USB 3.

On the flip side the gains won't be as huge for most of the CPU functionality. So it is all about perspective here. If you look at the package as a whole Ivy Bridge will be a break through for things like the AIR and Mini.

Thats the typical wait / buy discussion. One thing that justifies waiting in my book is that the Air only has 4GB ram. That's a real nogo for me, especially as you can't change it at all.

I don't know what to think of Thunderbolt or USB3. For work, I use a Gigabit NAS, thats quick enough to edit HD movies, so no problems there. And for leisure, USB 2.0 hasn't ever been a problem, as the files just aren't that big. And if they are, it's for leisure, so no hurry, just leave it running for a couple of hours and it will be done.
 
As to Apple well I think the big thing there is that people are excited about the prospects here of very interesting updates all around. The problem is the most interesting updates are a ways off. For example rumor has it that AIR suitable chips won't even ship until June. It is the thought though of an AIR shipping with a much better GPU and USB 3 that is very pleasing to think about.

In some cases though I suspect people will be disappointed expecting to much out of the updates. That is their problem, rational minds should see the value in these new chips especially the USB3 support and other niceties. So I think the hubbub is somewhat justified, some of Apples machines you would not want to buy now if at all avoidable.

I more mean to say that I don't understand the hubbub over Apple not putting out new stuff when they are otherwise running on schedule, and thusly don't yet have anything to announce. If we're talking about redesigns, even then, that's typically a superficial detail that only matters to superficial users. Otherwise, yeah, Ivy Bridge, she ain't out yet, and therefore USB 3.0, she ain't out yet either, which goes back to my main point of, given that it's not yet time for updates, why are people so anxious for updates like Apple is late to the(ir own) party?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.