Laptop Cooler For 2011 13" MBP

[jasin]

Gotta love stupid pissing contests started by a simple question...

Only stupid when people do not understand basic science.

Your statement hasn't been validated or verified by anything other than yourself. Until you provide factual evidence, you're just talking.

So then you are claiming Joules law and Ohms law has not been validated and verified because my statements were based on them two laws of science.

 

[emyholdem]

The only time you will see a noticeable affect from cooling the system, is when it is operating less than 0 centrigrade, or when the system's components are supercooled.

From what i remember, the relationship between how fast the system runs, and between the temperature, is that the speed exponentially grows the closer it is to absolute zero, due to the fact that there will be the least resistance in the wires. this is at close to 0 Kelvin. The temperature really doesnt make a difference when the temperature's we are talking about are between 300 and 350K.

 

[jasin]

Mac or Not! Unless the system is 100% efficient then you cannot claim heat does not affect the system negatively. The 2nd law of thermodynamics ensures that.

 

[emyholdem]

Mac or Not! Unless the system is 100% efficient then you cannot claim heat does not affect the system negatively. The 2nd law of thermodynamics ensures that.

Unless! A system is never 100% efficient. Never.

 

[jasin]

It still amazes me at how some people still think because its a mac computer that the laws of science do not apply.

Unless! A system is never 100% efficient. Never.

No system is 100% efficient, not even your beloved macs.

 

[emyholdem]

Of course people still realise that the laws of science still apply, but what people dont want is people like yourself trying to talk down to them.

 

[jasin]

Of course people still realise that the laws of science still apply

But you claimed my statements were not validated and true even though they were based on that exact science. The laws of science.

but what people dont want is people like yourself trying to talk down to them.

Talking about science fact, stating what is true based on the science, is talking down to people?

 

[emyholdem]

But you claimed my statements were not validated and true even though they were based on that exact science.

If you would please read back, i've never once said that you're statements weren't true, i simply stated my basic understanding of the matter.

And just to clarify, i dont even have a Mac, so there is no need to say "your beloved macs."

 

[GGJstudios]

But you claimed my statements were not validated and true even though they were based on that exact science.

Despite your derailing this thread with meaningless arguments, you have failed to provide any factual proof that a laptop cooler is required or will provide any measurable benefit to the OP, which is what this thread is about. Simply quoting general scientific data isn't proof that a cooler will help in any way in the OP's situation. The OP didn't ask for a general high school science lesson. They asked a specific question, which you have failed to answer.

 

[jasin]

The temperature really doesnt make a difference when the temperature's we are talking about are between 300 and 350K.

I worked as an electrician for 10 years. We often had to size up wiring on Al conductors because of resistive losses. The resistive losses we seen was directly proportional to the heat generated. However, the heat generated never reached temperatures of 300 - 350 k.

So resistive losses can occur with temperatures of less than 300k. When Heinrich Lenz originally discovered Joule heating he often was working in temperature ranges far less than 300k anyways.

Despite your derailing this thread with meaningless arguments

Science is only meaningless to those who do not understand it.

you have failed to provide any factual proof that a laptop cooler is required

I never said it was required.

Regardless of what you people say, people do have issues with heat on their Mbps.

see: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/526965/

 

[GGJstudios]

Regardless of what you people say, people do have issues with heat on their Mbps.

see: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/526965/

Did you even read that thread? Most of the thread is about people configuring Coolbook, which isn't necessary to use on a Mac. Not one temp reported in that thread is outside the normal operating range for the Macbook Pro. No one in that thread was having heat-related issues. They simply wanted to modify the normal temps for a MBP, even though the temps before were quite normal.

you have failed to provide any factual proof that a laptop cooler is required

I never said it was required.

I notice you conveniently disregarded the most important part of that quote:

Despite your derailing this thread with meaningless arguments, you have failed to provide any factual proof that a laptop cooler is required or will provide any measurable benefit to the OP, which is what this thread is about.

If you modify temps from the higher end of the normal operating range for a Mac to the lower end of the range, you will not achieve any measurable difference in performance.

 

[Icy1007]

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Regardless of what you people say, people do have issues with heat on their Mbps.

see: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/526965/

They only think they have heat problems.

A laptop cooler will have little to no effect on a MBP. The bottom has no openings to allow the cooler to do it's "job". The vents are on the back not the bottom.

 

[jasin]

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They only think they have heat problems.

Kernel panics is not thinking its proof.

Did you even read that thread? Most of the thread is about people configuring Coolbook, which isn't necessary to use on a Mac. Not one temp reported in that thread is outside the normal operating range for the Macbook Pro. No one in that thread was having heat-related issues. They simply wanted to modify the normal temps for a MBP, even though the temps before were quite normal.

I notice you conveniently disregarded the most important part of that quote:

If you modify temps from the higher end of the normal operating range for a Mac to the lower end of the range, you will not achieve any measurable difference in performance.

I never once said additional cooling will increase performance you only assume I did. I like how you consistently keep making stuff up.

 

[GGJstudios]

Kernel panics is not thinking its proof.

The kernel panics mentioned in that thread were the result of undervolting or using Coolbook, not because of heat issues on a normal MBP. You really should read a thread before you attempt to use it to support your argument.

I never once said additional cooling will increase performance you only assume I did. I like how you consistently keep making stuff up.

You said:

But the cooler a laptop is the more efficient it runs.

You have zero factual evidence to prove this is true, as it relates to the OP's post.

 

[John89]

Their heat problems lies with their over-protective obsessive user base, not the computers themselves.

This.

 

[jasin]

The kernel panics mentioned in that thread were the result of undervolting or using Coolbook

So you say, but I did not see that.

 

[GGJstudios]

So you say, but I did not see that.

You didn't see that because you didn't read the thread. It's very clear.

 

[jasin]

You have zero factual evidence to prove this is true, as it relates to the OP's post.

Resistive loses and Joule heating are facts of science. Nothing needs proven there. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is also a fact of science. That does not need proven either.

You didn't see that because you didn't read the thread. It's very clear.

Whatever.

 

[JamDonut]

haha has anyone noticed the OP hasn't responded once? i thik he found his answer somewhere along the way and thought woah il leave these guys to it

 

[jasin]

Their heat problems lies with their over-protective obsessive user base, not the computers themselves.

I would call it insurance.

Once again.

Mac or Not! Unless the system is 100% efficient then you cannot claim heat does not affect the system negatively. The 2nd law of thermodynamics ensures that.

 

[GGJstudios]

Resistive loses and Joule heating are facts of science. Nothing needs proven there. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is always a fact of science. That does not need proven either.

You haven't proven that the OP's 2011 MBP will run more efficiently by being cooler. Stop with the high school science class nonsense! I learned all that over 40 years ago. You can't even explain how those "science facts" apply to the OP's question about getting a laptop cooler for their 2011 MBP. Simply quoting that a law of thermodynamics exists doesn't mean you understand how it applies to Apple notebook cooling and temperature issues. You're not making yourself sound intelligent or informed by posting such off-topic nonsense. You're only derailing the thread's purpose.

The OP does NOT need a laptop cooler to make their MBP run more efficiently. It will function as it was designed to function, with temperatures well within the normal operating range, without the need for the user to install any additional hardware or software. There is no measurable increase in efficiency by getting a laptop cooler for their MBP.

 

[jasin]

haha has anyone noticed the OP hasn't responded once? i thik he found his answer somewhere along the way and thought woah il leave these guys to it

Nothing I have stated about the science of heat has been false or inaccurate. So laugh it up all you want, but my statements in regards to that are still true. Unlike the stuff some in here keep making up.

 

[John89]

Christ jasin, chill out.

Provide some benchmarks. Go do some real world tests and show us some significant results.

 

[jasin]

You haven't proven that the OP's 2011 MBP will run more efficiently by being cooler. Stop with the high school science class nonsense! I learned all that over 40 years ago. You can't even explain how those "science facts" apply to the OP's question about getting a laptop cooler for their 2011 MBP. Simply quoting that a law of thermodynamics exists doesn't mean you understand how it applies to Apple notebook cooling and temperature issues. You're not making yourself sound intelligent or informed by posting such off-topic nonsense. You're only derailing the thread's purpose.

The OP does NOT need a laptop cooler to make their MBP run more efficiently. It will function as it was designed to function, with temperatures well within the normal operating range, without the need for the user to install any additional hardware or software. There is no measurable increase in efficiency by getting a laptop cooler.

Its not my fault you can't understand the science concerning resistive loses, joule heating, and no system being 100% efficient.

 

[GGJstudios]

Its not my fault you can't understand the science concerning resistive loses, joule heating, and no system being 100% efficient.

I understand all of that fully. Now, explain how any of that applies to the OP's question.