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Late 2014 Mac Mini Benchmarks Indicate Decreased Multi-Core Performance
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That's marketing babble for 'We made some hardware upgrades, but don't look too closely'. 
Did you see how Schiller rushed over the Mac Mini slides. Not much to say here.
Did you see how Schiller rushed over the Mac Mini slides. Not much to say here.
Wait, but I thought Schiller said it was "faster, more capable."
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The 2012's are all gone and they new ones (although snappier) don't have the slots I need. Plus, I'm worried that someone's going to stick pencils or flowers in it, or give me a top-off while I'm working. http://cdn.macrumors.com/vb/images/smilies/wink.png
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"We're doing more with less..."
This lack of a decent mid range pro desktop machine has been brewing for a while now. The 2012 quad Mini had the i7 cpu, but the graphics were lackluster. The old Mac Pro was getting veryyyyy long in the tooth and overpriced for old technology. Then the new Mac Pro did not offer any budget solution at all. They can make a quad core computer with decent graphics for $1000-3000 no problem. How do I know that? They already do in the 21.5 and 27 iMacs...but you have to buy the screen along with it.
What I don't really understand is that the quad core Mini crowd isn't asking to spend money somewhere else. We would gladly buy a headless iMac unit, either the quad with Iris Pro or the quad with NVIDIA. They simply refuse to make one. Ok so the iMac might lose a bit of sales, but the money would still be going to Apple. Instead not only are they losing Mini upgrade sales they are potentially losing customers to Windows.
If the issue is that one also has to purchase the screen with the iMac and Apple makes more money off the deal, then why do they continue to make the low end headless Mini and the high end Mac Pro? Neither come with displays.
Or they could offer a range of displays to buy. Instead they have one $1000 27" display to offer. If they had more displays people would buy a Mini and a display.
I don't get it.
What I don't really understand is that the quad core Mini crowd isn't asking to spend money somewhere else. We would gladly buy a headless iMac unit, either the quad with Iris Pro or the quad with NVIDIA. They simply refuse to make one. Ok so the iMac might lose a bit of sales, but the money would still be going to Apple. Instead not only are they losing Mini upgrade sales they are potentially losing customers to Windows.
If the issue is that one also has to purchase the screen with the iMac and Apple makes more money off the deal, then why do they continue to make the low end headless Mini and the high end Mac Pro? Neither come with displays.
Or they could offer a range of displays to buy. Instead they have one $1000 27" display to offer. If they had more displays people would buy a Mini and a display.
I don't get it.
Wait, but I thought Schiller said it was "faster, more capable."
That is the problem, he said it...
"We've designed the new Mac Mini to be slower, so you can enjoy your content better. These days, we are in such a hurry that we fail to slowdown and appreciate what we're seeing. The new Mac Mini is about making the personal computer...personal again." - Jony
Bazinga.
Maybe the new Mini will come with a large tube of Vaseline.
You are spot-on with your analysis and I agree with you 100%.
I don't get it either, but still have some hope that Apple listens to customers or potential customers of a headless Mac that offers decent CPU and GPU processing power at a price between the Mac Mini and iMac.
scupking's posting speaks for many potential customers. The all-in-one concept is not for everybody, especially for switchers. Apple is leaving money on the table here.
I don't get it either, but still have some hope that Apple listens to customers or potential customers of a headless Mac that offers decent CPU and GPU processing power at a price between the Mac Mini and iMac.
scupking's posting speaks for many potential customers. The all-in-one concept is not for everybody, especially for switchers. Apple is leaving money on the table here.
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This years direction has made me think twice about whether I am getting too locked into apples ecosystem (work+home=1 mac pro, 8 mac minis, 9 iMacs, 3 MacBooks, 3 iPads, 2 iPhones). As a result, I have set-up owncloud as an alternative to iCloud, brought a Jolla sailfish OS phone to encourage an independent smartphone platform, and installed linux on my macbook air.
From a purely media machine standpoint
I've been reading this thread and understand about the cost/core issues people are seeing but I'm looking towards this machine from a purely media standpoint as a lot of people are. I'm sure it's fast enough for this. Have I read someplace that iris graphics are 80-90% faster than the previous version? I'm wondering if the iris graphics option in the second level unit will make it a better media machine. I've experienced what a difference a better graphics card can make in an older computer regarding video playback, gaming, and even internet browsing speed.
I too have been holding out for an upgrade. But my mini will be dedicated to netflix, amazon, and torrents. I know an apple tv or roku box fulfills some of these needs but because of the torrents I need a computer. And I know a PC might do it cheaper but I am only mac knowledgable so I don't want to go that route.
So the question I have is...Are the new minis good or maybe better media machines?
I've been reading this thread and understand about the cost/core issues people are seeing but I'm looking towards this machine from a purely media standpoint as a lot of people are. I'm sure it's fast enough for this. Have I read someplace that iris graphics are 80-90% faster than the previous version? I'm wondering if the iris graphics option in the second level unit will make it a better media machine. I've experienced what a difference a better graphics card can make in an older computer regarding video playback, gaming, and even internet browsing speed.
I too have been holding out for an upgrade. But my mini will be dedicated to netflix, amazon, and torrents. I know an apple tv or roku box fulfills some of these needs but because of the torrents I need a computer. And I know a PC might do it cheaper but I am only mac knowledgable so I don't want to go that route.
So the question I have is...Are the new minis good or maybe better media machines?
Giving you the 111th like!
Arguably, Mac minis in the first few years were pretty poor in performance too. My 2009 mac mini plugged to my TV is slow as hell and has a crazily small 120GB platter harddisk.
Of course, any downgrade of performance is inexcusable but with pressure from competitors in the iPhone front and shrinking iPad revenue, it's quite obvious that they are trying to increase their profit margin across the board and therefore crippling products with low profit margins e.g. the iPad mini, Mac mini so that people will be upsold to higher models.
Mac mini: "Hey the Mac mini is our most affordable line of computers but yes it's quite slow. Why don't you consider our MacBook Air? It's just a little bit more expensive and boy it's so fast, you're entering the desktop in mere seconds!"
iPad mini: "The iPad mini is $100 cheaper, but the iPad Air is so much faster, thinner (yes thinner!), and aren't much heavier, with a super great camera, just for $100 more"
My Late 2012 Mini Server (Quad i7 2.3Ghz) with a 750GB Samsung SSD (and one of the original Apple 1TB hard drives for Time Machine) is probably one of the best computers I have ever owned, and also the smallest.
This is the first time a newer model coming out has not made me mad!
I was able to install the SSD and 16GB of RAM in this, which apparently can't be done on the new ones. Lame.
This is the first time a newer model coming out has not made me mad!
I was able to install the SSD and 16GB of RAM in this, which apparently can't be done on the new ones. Lame.
Us iPhone and iPad users don't talk about specs like Droid fanboys, because iPhones and iPads have the best specs among their piers. iDevices have the best CPU performance (especially at Single Core Performance), best displays (color accuracy, brightness, etc), best camera, and (now with 6+) industry leading battery life.
Yes, iDevices come at a premium, but we also get the highest possible performance and user experience.
But with the mac mini, it's just ridiculous that with this huge premium comes such an inferior product. One can easily build a desktop machine that is at least $300 cheaper and equally capable, if not more so.
What happened to "we don't ship junk"? What happened to "we ship things we are proud to recommend to our family and friends"?
If I recommend the Mac mini to anyone, they will think of me as an idiot.
Yes, iDevices come at a premium, but we also get the highest possible performance and user experience.
But with the mac mini, it's just ridiculous that with this huge premium comes such an inferior product. One can easily build a desktop machine that is at least $300 cheaper and equally capable, if not more so.
What happened to "we don't ship junk"? What happened to "we ship things we are proud to recommend to our family and friends"?
If I recommend the Mac mini to anyone, they will think of me as an idiot.
What the hell?
How can one company release an updated computer with downgraded performance?
Earlier price of Apple product came with Apple tax, now it seems it comes with punishment too.
1. Soldered RAM so you can't upgrade.
2. Lower CPU performance. Quad core downgraded to dual core
...waiting for next innovative find...
How can one company release an updated computer with downgraded performance?
Earlier price of Apple product came with Apple tax, now it seems it comes with punishment too.
1. Soldered RAM so you can't upgrade.
2. Lower CPU performance. Quad core downgraded to dual core
...waiting for next innovative find...
Just because Tim Cook likes
Nevermind
It's sad to see a company cash in on loyal customers who literally "saved them"
It is 100% textbook brand management- built the brand and consumer experience, then maximize ASP- keep pushing until you see a change. So far sales and profits keep going up so they keep adding lube...
when will we all break free from Apple? We are getting raped
Nevermind
It's sad to see a company cash in on loyal customers who literally "saved them"
It is 100% textbook brand management- built the brand and consumer experience, then maximize ASP- keep pushing until you see a change. So far sales and profits keep going up so they keep adding lube...
when will we all break free from Apple? We are getting raped
Obvikously Apple wanted the Iris graphics (same was stated with the crappy iMac update in the summer) but Apple would have done what they did but add a high end model with a quad-core i7 and a dedicated GPU. They seem to be content using nVidia 750M which is long in the tooth in the MBP but that would've been a great option for the Mini.
ditto. don't want an AIO. don't like the way they look either. looks like a chunky monitor. with a headless unit, sure there's a bulky box somewhere, but you are looking at the screen, not the box.
I'm moving to Windows after being killed by Apple when I bought my 1,1 2006 MacPro and being one of the few "64-bit computers" that can't run OSX 10.8 or higher due to Apple's decisions (and 32-bit EFI). Tired of having to wait with baited breath for Apple to release hardware...building my own...
Late 2014 Mac Mini Benchmarks Indicate Decreased Multi-Core Performance
Marc. Can you point me to one of those resellers pls?
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I was bitten here too but I'm right now running Yose on my 1,1 thanks to this forum.
Marc. Can you point me to one of those resellers pls?
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I was bitten here too but I'm right now running Yose on my 1,1 thanks to this forum.
