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Latest iOS and iPadOS 15 Betas Allow Apps to Request Access to More RAM

PBG4 Dude said:
With Swift Playgrounds getting the ability to submit apps for distribution on the App Store, I’m guessing that’s Apple’s version of Xcode for the iPad. Why build submit functionality into Playgrounds if Xcode was on the way.
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to be fair, I don’t mind them doing that. I’d like to try out a few bits of code every now and then. But I just think people forget the iPads primary interface is touch. And it’s primarily a handheld super easy to use computing device that is doing things different on purpose.

a truck and a 2 seater sports car could have the same engine but they are used for different things. Everyone understands this analogy except for all these you tubers who complain every time Apple release an iPad that doesn’t do exactly the same things as their mac.

No one ever gets upset the other way around though. like what you tuber complains that they can’t take hand written notes on their mac? Or can’t take a photo annotate it with the pencil and send it off as pdf in a few seconds?

it only matters to them that they can’t run logic or final cut.. it’s getting silly now.
People were even upset with Apple because using the m1 chip obviously meant that logic was being released at wwdc? I’m not even sure id want logic on the iPad anyway. GarageBand is hard enough to use on thing. Logic is so mouse oriented.. like why bother?
 
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bluespider said:
I have to assume this COULD be big news for AAA game developers ... hopefully bringing more of those titles to the platform.

Also for all those naysayers, IMO Apple has always not told the whole story at WWDC and new features were slowly introduced throughout the beta process... this in my book is exciting news.
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Anything Apple can use in PR to good extent will get a mention or an event. Anything else is polish / icing.
 
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iOS unlike android doesn’t need a lot of RAM at all. 1GB is plenty and would be more efficient than 6 on Android for example.
 
threesixty360 said:
I've never understood the people who want the iPad to be a Mac. And people who think the Mac is the be all and end all of computing. And its mostly people who use a handful of power apps like video stuff, or Xcode. As if even 1% of the total iPad user base would even use that software. Its just so silly.

Until a MacBook allows me to hold it in one hand and a read a book standing on a train or put it on my kitchen counter while I'm cooking reading a recipe.. well I'd rather the iPad stay as it is thanks.
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Here's the thing.

You don't need to understand other peoples desired or required workflows for them to be valid. Not everyone has the same needs or desires as you, but when Apple advertises as they did again recently that iPad can fully replace a computer... yes, people are going to be mad when they buy a fully loaded iPad Pro for $2700 and find it can't get the job done due to artificial limitations from software decisions Apple makes.


Also, hate to break it to you.... but 1% of the iPad user base is probably 30% of the iPad Pro user base. If you are going to make such a high-end machine, your high end users are going to expect to have an actual use for it.
 
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dguisinger said:
Here's the thing.

You don't need to understand other peoples desired or required workflows for them to be valid. Not everyone has the same needs or desires as you, but when Apple advertises as they did again recently that iPad can fully replace a computer... yes, people are going to be mad when they buy a fully loaded iPad Pro for $2700 and find it can't get the job done due to artificial limitations from software decisions Apple makes.


Also, hate to break it to you.... but 1% of the iPad user base is probably 30% of the iPad Pro user base. If you are going to make such a high-end machine, your high end users are going to expect to have an actual use for it.
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When did they say that and did they define, which computer? The ipad is a computer and it depends on what the use case is.

If you use your computer to compute weather simulations....I'm pretty sure not only can't the ipad replace a computer, but most windows and mac desktops can't either.

I bought an ipad pro and I'm not mad that there is/was this "limitation". Apple is probably trying to save the ipad from bad programming, to which I give them props.
 
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henryhbk said:
So I guess I am not sure why they limited each app's memory size, unix can move working sets around in VM without a problem and unless you are thrashing, why limit?
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No swap on iPadOS. In fairness, swap would've killed the 16-32GB eMMC on older/lower end devices pretty quickly.
 
dalestrauss said:
No, the "quite simple" answer is I spent $1999 (with Magic Keyboard) to have the EXACT same processor, ram, and ssd as a M1 MacBook Air - it should be MY CHOICE to dual boot MacOS and live with any shortcomings of its interface not being optimized for touch - but Apple wants to force me to buy iPad Pro AND MacBook Air because MacOS isn't touch optimized. No, they aren't protecting me from me; they are protecting their bottom line (over $94B in cash).
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It is YOUR CHOICE to buy a device that does not and has never run macOS, when Apple has clearly articulated that the two operating systems are unique and distinct and so is the hardware. Your argument falls flat on its face because what you are saying is that you’re being denied something that doesn’t even exist and has never existed as a choice. It’s Apple that gets to determine which operating system runs on what device, not the end user. This is not unique to computing, never has been. The system builder calls the shots. You as the consumer have the right to buy or not buy, but that’s it, end of story. The macOS on the iPad crowd has zero legs to stand in with this faux outrage.
 
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threesixty360 said:
to be fair, I don’t mind them doing that. I’d like to try out a few bits of code every now and then. But I just think people forget the iPads primary interface is touch. And it’s primarily a handheld super easy to use computing device that is doing things different on purpose.

a truck and a 2 seater sports car could have the same engine but they are used for different things. Everyone understands this analogy except for all these you tubers who complain every time Apple release an iPad that doesn’t do exactly the same things as their mac.

No one ever gets upset the other way around though. like what you tuber complains that they can’t take hand written notes on their mac? Or can’t take a photo annotate it with the pencil and send it off as pdf in a few seconds?

it only matters to them that they can’t run logic or final cut.. it’s getting silly now.
People were even upset with Apple because using the m1 chip obviously meant that logic was being released at wwdc? I’m not even sure id want logic on the iPad anyway. GarageBand is hard enough to use on thing. Logic is so mouse oriented.. like why bother?
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DAW’s on iOS will only blossom once Apple allows you to record from more than one audio source at a time on the device. Will they ever do that? Who knows.
 
now i see it said:
1. Purchase 12" iPad Pro w 16GB Ram
2. Find out no app currently can use that much Ram
3. Moan and whine and complain and criticize on Forums about the injustice of it all
4. Return iPad Pro
5. Find out iPad OS 15 will support more RAM usage
6. Buy iPad Pro again
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7. And still moan about something. How about...wait for it................bezels!

That's always an MR crowd-pleaser.
 
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Gives this kind of Mac OS 9 feeling, where you specified for each app how much Ram it was allowed to eat. Oh the memories …
 
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Techwatcher said:
Wow I'm shocked. They actually listened. There's still a laundry list of improvements that iPadOS needs, but this is a great start.
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Ahh, no. They didn’t listen over the last few weeks and quickly got it working :) This was a planned part of version 15 from the start. These ARE beta releases, so other features that haven’t already been communicated will be implemented as well.
 
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amartinez1660 said:
I think it’s also to avoid bad actors similar to how apps don’t play nice with cpu consumption or background refreshing to no end draining all the battery and hogging the resources. With RAM this is a new avenue for an app to take all the available RAM leaving nothing to others making them crash behind scenes.

Not saying it is on purpose, sometimes is really just lack of experience or avoiding the built-in APIs, for example the Adobe suite on Mac (because of legacy code) insists on using their own rendering, file management, etc… when I save a png and hit replace an existing file it doesn’t replace it and creates a copy instead, been years like that, plus the activity monitor always showing tons of processes doing “something Creative Cloud”.

I just hope that those entitlement rights are both not abused by those that don’t even need it (like Twitter or Facebook should never get it) and those that need it (i.e. Procreate, Affinity) don’t need to jump through too many hoops.
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I agree. The last thing we need to see is entitlement abuse with apps. That would not go over very well.
 
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Zdigital2015 said:
DAW’s on iOS will only blossom once Apple allows you to record from more than one audio source at a time on the device. Will they ever do that? Who knows.
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I’m not sure I follow? My Scarlett 18i20 is recognized by GarageBand and I can record multiple tracks simultaneously.
 
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rui no onna said:
No. Because iPadOS has a tendency to corrupt exFAT formatted drives.
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Thanks! I was unaware of the problem. I hadn’t experienced it. I generally connect the storage, confirm the transfer is complete then disconnect. I’ve never thought about what might be occurring AFTER the transfer that may affect the data integrity.
 
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cupcakes2000 said:
I was always under the impression it was due to lack of swapping. If the system can’t swap as even a last resort, bad things would happen. So there needs to always be free ram. Though I don’t purport to really know the ins and outs of such things or whether this is even why.
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What you say in essence is true,but I think it is more complex then to say it just lacks swapping. If you look at the docs from Apple, you will find both IOS and MacOS initially started with the BSD/OSF- more or less.. But due to intended market for both users and the apps design/needs along with just HW constrains(ram/memory,screen size/heat/power/etc) they took different evolutionary paths of memory virtualization/support. And it was was a reasonable even necessary design decison.

It will be interesting now that HW constrains are mostly eliminated, Apple might-over time- pull these platforms closer ot some equivalent memory/app support. However, I suspect the user experience to not take the same path- i.e. IOS probably will not become MacOS. To do so would be a step backward for Apple's vision of computing. Just my thoughts.
 
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