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Anyway, I could still disable the chip and swip the card. It is not like I cannot use my card.
Nice going picking the fringe case - I am talking about systems THAT ONLY accept the chip, of which there are MANY.
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The New version of iOS is not designed to work with the non-Apple parts in your phone. If you modify your phone outside Apple's approved parameters, then don't expect to update the iOS.
You're talking to people who WANT to be offended, because being "right" and moaning on the net is their "entertainment". You could argue black is black and blue is blue, they'd tell you otherwise, somehow... LOL.
 
So Apple tightened their security policies with an update (their perogative, their platform), and you think that's a BAD thing because it protects you MORE? It's called keeping their integrity and protecting their customers.

Wow... mere words can't express... this thread is a bucket of fail and intentional misunderstandings that someone pushed over, and it spilled everywhere, and the puddle continues to spread, causing increasing numbers of people to "slip over" on the spill of misinformation.

Wow... have a nice day whingers.


Who give Apple the power to brick someone eles's phone? It is like the government want make you safe from torrerist, you build your house according to government, if you want change something, the government will torn down your house. See, the government wants to to protect you, why complaining.
 
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Not if the update is to prevent the car from being stolen, because the new hardware could allow any key to work with the car.

when the update prevents the car being stolen by tunring it into a brick, its of no value to anyone. Because it will not result in return sales to lexus every.everyother year...
 
The New version of iOS is not designed to work with the non-Apple parts in your phone. If you modify your phone outside Apple's approved parameters, then don't expect to update the iOS.

In other words, Apple intentionally modifying iOS that would not work with non-Apple parts in your phone to build monopoly on iPhone repairs. Is that what you want to express?
 
Who give Apple the power to brick someone eles's phone? It is like the government want make you safe from torrerist, you build your house according to government, if you want change something, the government will torn down your house. See, the government wants to to protect you, why complaining.

Locking you out of your phone IN CASE "YOU" ARE NOT YOU, is not "bricking"; "bricking" is a device being TOTALLY DEAD, not responding to ANYTHING AT ALL. I am a firmware and electronics engineer, I revive phones and tablets I am told were "bricked", daily - people are CLUELESS about this coined term and what it really means.

PS: It's Apple's lock, and if they choose to tighten the chain and add more bolts, tough - its TO PROTECT YOU. Instead of moaning, how about go and read the EULA which you agreed to.
 
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These are security-related items that are being replaced by those from unknown vendors. A very bad idea.

Consider: your TouchID does more than just open your phone. It also authenticates ApplePay transactions, and many other apps depend on the integrity of TouchID for authentication purposes. Off the top of my head, my own phone uses TouchID authentication to open 1Password (which contains ALL my accounts and passwords), several financial and health applications, and so on. Not to mention four credit cards stored in my Wallet.

If my TouchID were compromised, I'm not entirely convinced that bricking my phone is the worst-case scenario!

Exactly. I hope they can find a more graceful way out of this, but the fact is, Apple Pay is far more secure than a credit card now, if it is with original parts. Here's what security is on the net: you show your identity to someone, and that link is encrypted so no one else can see. Banks, websites, everything, depends on that link. If there's a failure, it's on the provider. If somebody finds a software way to fake out Touch ID, Apple has a huge fiduciary duty to fix it. To do that, Apple had to make a software/hardware bond. If you say, sure, anyone can replace an Apple Touch ID button with a part not known to the pairing, it breaks, then you've said, I don't want a secure phone. People get angry at Apple, accusing them of "just doing this because". Well, it's really secure and convenient, and that's what users want more than anything, including the newspaper that broke the Snowden story. Would this reporter want to have his conversations overheard? No. He picked an iPhone. He got it fixed in Macedonia, at a shop that didn't know how to repair it. So we trust, in matters of security, a wider and wider group? Who is he? Foreign correspondents are targets of all kinds of agencies and interests throughout the world "What's that Guardian guy going to report on? On that? Hmm. What crossroads will be be at tomorrow afternoon?" Does he trust that repairman? Does an NSA cellphone get fixed at some guy's shoe repair and cellphone shop? No. If you can't get a software way in, or it's at least difficult, wouldn't agents be taking it apart, figuring it out, and figuring out how to make a malicious home button? Or making the GPS indicate it's off when it's on? Or the camera to start without the light coming on? It becomes something untrustworthy. A hardware back door is quite possible. Now, I think they've failed on the customer service side. A friend of mine had an iPad mini, and he sat on it. It was about three months past warrantee. Apple took a look at it, and he got a replacement for it for $180. The original was was $700, it was fully-loaded. In under an hour, he had the whole think replaced from iCloud and he was walking out the door. Why not something like that, if it works? A lot of people say, well, why not just keep the passcode enabled? Maybe, but I think anything like that has to be thought about before you commit. Nothing would be worth enabling some behavior, and then discovering that somebody, six months later, was emptying bank account with this access because you forgot _blank.
 
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But then more of my money may end up in the hands of Samsung, Google, or Alphabet. Worse yet, I may have to deal with Android... yuck.

lets see, repair my phone by sending it to another city and paying apple rates, or spending the same money and getting the latest android. I just replaced my daughters phone with a new android phone. Mine may be next. Exchange rate and general stupidity are not in apples advantage.
 
I don't see anything wrong with this Picture Apple like any other company has the right to do this. Of course some scum law firm would love to pursue a class action suit and if they win which I seriously doubt they would the lawyers will get millions while the average Joe like you and me get peanuts! Don't fall for this junk you may get yourself a $5 gift card out of this deal if that...

-Mike

They do? Let's say you iPhone has lots of data, lots of photos, lots of... all kinds of stuff. One day you drop your phone. When you pick it up it appears to work fine. A few m months later you upgrade your device to the next OS and BAM! Err 53. You have now lost everything. No chance to recover. All you can get is a trade in allowance on a new device.
Is your opinion the same?

btw - that was an actual event.
 
What? This isn't the same thing....if Lexus breaks Lexus system then they need to fix it plain and simple. If I buy the alpine system and have it put in and alpine breaks it then they need to fix it. If I take my Lexus to Best Buy, have the alpine put in and it doesn't work, Best Buy fixes it. None of the parties are responsible for each other. Lexus sold you the car as is, Best Buy only worked on the stereo as is, alpine built the head as is......

If lexus updated something to brick your car because you installed an alpine stereo, then lexus opens themselves up for a lawsuit, same as in this case. If alpine sells you a stereo that results in lexus bricking your car, that also opens them up for a lawsuit.

In the current case, apple is fixing some of them at cost - so they are admitting some liability, which makes for fun times in a litigious society.
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You could always ship it to Apple for repair.

Yep... for me to ship it to apple, I would have to send it to another country.
 
Locking you out of your phone IN CASE "YOU" ARE NOT YOU, is not "bricking"; "bricking" is a device being TOTALLY DEAD, not responding to ANYTHING AT ALL. I am a firmware and electronics engineer, I revive phones and tablets I am told were "bricked", daily - people are CLUELESS about this coined term and what it really means.

PS: It's Apple's lock, and if they choose to tighten the chain and add more bolts, tough - its TO PROTECT YOU. Instead of moaning, how about go and read the EULA which you agreed to.


I don't care if its locked or bricked. The fact is I cannot use this pice of junk. Wethrr brick or not it has no concern to me. Who the hell give Apple the right to make my phone useless? Seriously, the error will force people either pony up for replacement phone, so it is something for God damn customer.

And don't give me the crap about EULA. The EULA is not the law of the land. Even the law of the land changes. If the God damn EULA is found to anti-consumer, it will be void. In this case, it is anti-consumer.

I don't get people. In one hand, people yelling freedom of choice, on other hand, people defend company that is anti choice.
 
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I hope you are joking. That is seldom an option unless you have a backup device. Most do not.
Hey, years ago I had to go without my MacBook Pro for a couple weeks while they made a warranty repair. I didn't die. Although someone at the local DHL depot stole my computer after it came back from repair. So after and investigation, DHLs insurance company bought me a brand new one. :cool:
 
Alternate universe headline:

Law firms consider suing Apple after malicious third-party home buttons lead to widespread Apple Pay theft.

So, according to this logic, if you take your new Lexus to a non-dealership repair shop and they put non-factory aftermarket replacement parts on your car, Lexus is liable when something goes wrong?

Not the same thing at all. The security requires known Apple parts that are all part of a chain. Do you understand how encryption works? Your Lexus may work better with genuine parts, or it might be a rip-off, that's for you to judge. Put a third-party part in a security chain, and it might be giving bad guys a way to intercept signals. Maybe decrypt everything you and send it to kidnappers, thieves, terrorists or Big Brother.
 
Once you purchase your phone, it is your phone - it is your prerogative to do whatever you like, with the risk of rendering your warranty void. This is not a warranty issue.

Apple created an update which sweeps your phone for non-apple branded products (repairs), and upon finding said repairs/products, shuts your phone down, that is borderline criminal. No reasonable user of an iPhone would ever have foreseen that this would be something that would arise if they used 3rd party repairs - the most that would happen is that your warranty would be void. Additionally, the agreement you agree to before updating your phone does not include any information regarding the update - it does not mention that your phone may or may not be rendered inoperable so as to avoid having to update it.

For example, if you purchase a Ford and put aftermarket wheels and tint the windows, then take it in for servicing, would it be fair for them to kill your engine because you have put aftermarket products on your vehicle?

This is not a warranty issue - this is a deliberate attempt to compel those who OWN their iPhones to have to purchase new ones with no other alternative option. But for the update, my phone was working perfectly. The fair thing to do would have been to deny the privilege of having your phone updated.

I see a huge legal problem for apple and once the floodgates open, they'll regret having imposed such an unfair, unreasonable and bizarre update.
But again... if they state that its a possibility in the terms, and you agree to said terms, then it still falls back on you.
 
I don't care if its locked or bricked. The fact is I cannot use this pice of junk. Wethrr brick or not it has no concern to me. Who the hell give Apple the right to make my phone useless? Seriously, the error will force people either pony up for replacement phone, so it is something for God damn customer.

And don't give me the crap about EULA. The EULA is not the law of the land. Even the law of the land changes. If the God damn EULA is found to anti-consumer, it will be void. In this case, it is anti-consumer.

I don't get people. In one hand, people yelling freedom of choice, on other hand, people defend company that is anti choice.

If you want an insecure phone, buy an Android.
 
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In other words, Apple intentionally modifying iOS that would not work with non-Apple parts in your phone to build monopoly on iPhone repairs. Is that what you want to express?
No, I think that is what YOU want to express.

What I want to express is what I wrote.
 
If lexus updated something to brick your car because you installed an alpine stereo, then lexus opens themselves up for a lawsuit, same as in this case. If alpine sells you a stereo that results in lexus bricking your car, that also opens them up for a lawsuit.

In the current case, apple is fixing some of them at cost - so they are admitting some liability, which makes for fun times in a litigious society.
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Yep... for me to ship it to apple, I would have to send it to another country.
Ouch.... That does put a different light on it.
 
Not the same thing at all. The security requires known Apple parts that are all part of a chain. Do you understand how encryption works? Your Lexus may work better with genuine parts, or it might be a rip-off, that's for you to judge. Put a third-party part in a security chain, and it might be giving bad guys a way to intercept signals. Maybe decrypt everything you and send it to kidnappers, thieves, terrorists or Big Brother.


But but... Apple claims they cannot decrypt anything and making big fuss about encryption. So somewhere the hack can decrypt everything. WoW... I don't know if it TouchID is not secure or Apple is lying.
 
But but... Apple claims the cannot decrypt everything... So somewhere the hack can decrypt everything. WoW... I don't know if it TouchID is not secure or Apple is lying.

Allow me to add you to the list I am compiling, entitled: "People who discuss security platforms, but don't understand how they work"
 
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Its not up to them to decide what parts a consumer puts int their car or device. It's mine, it's up to me. The law also covers me in my choice to have any person or company repair my phone. NOW if that repair causes issue so be it..... but apple cant MAKE that repair cause problems with MY phone.
They still provide the firmware and software that runs their product and it's certainly up to them to make sure their product is secure and safe. (We are still relating it to a car, right?)
 
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Right. Every single repair done by a third party repair person, no matter what the parts they used, was done incorrectly. Apple had nothing to do with it whatsoever. Do you honestly believe that?
Yes, of course I do. Apple is not obliged to train unauthorized repair personal. That's among the risks you take by not going to one of the service providers mentioned on Apples website. They are supposed to know, everyone else is just guessing.
 
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