Wasn't there an option to update to iOS 7 where FaceTime is working, of if the device wasn't supported by iOS 7 then wasn't there an iOS 6 update provided to get FaceTime working on the device?
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Lawsuit Alleges Apple Broke FaceTime on iOS 6 to Force iOS 7 Upgrades, Save Money
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This is the most ridiculous argument I've read this year. Everyone that actually uses Apple products KNOWS that every OS upgrade means SLOWER performance and that this is done on purpose to "encourage" users to buy new hardware. Thus, there are good reasons why people don't want to upgrade to the newest OS. The problem is that Apple developer kits make it very difficult on the developer to support older OS builds and again, that is a CHOICE Apple makes on purpose to "encourage" people to upgrade. Of course, some hardware isn't allowed to upgrade at which point Apple kindly tells you to buy new hardware because that four year old device is a useless POS and needs to be put into a landfill (because Apple is such a GREEN company, of course). And this idea that you will pay less money for a new product that has ALREADY BEEN LAUNCHED (like they're going to retro-raise the price and demand you send them another $50 to fight this lawsuit) is even more ABSURD.
It amazes me how people just drink whatever water Apple hands them and don't ask what's in it. Blind support for corporations whose sole purpose is to make money at any cost strikes me even stranger than blind faith for religion as the motivation there is clear (money/power). That makes sense for a corporation, but not for the followers who are generally taken advantage of and used by the hierarchy that actually benefits them. Therefore, I can only assume this is a genetic addiction of some sort and as such, I think we need a 10-step program to help such addicts recover.
Suggested ACD 10-Step Program (starting after the addict admits he/she has a problem and wants to get better) for getting rid of Apple Corporation Addiction (aka ACD):
1> Remove all Apple gear from offender's house.
2> Dunk Apple fan's head in barrel of water with oranges in it (no apples!)
3> Put Apple follower on a cruise ship for a 30-day cruise and tell the cruise line to not offer any WiFi to said passenger or let them near the computer lounge. Send buddy along to watch them lest they try and break into another person's cabin they see carrying an Apple notebook. Make them eat dinner at the group tables and play shuffleboard!
4> Monitor Apple addict at home for 90 days, making sure they stay away from Apple products.
5> Assign a 'buddy' to make sure said Apple head doesn't go near an Apple store or web site related to Apple.
6> Introduce Apple addict to actual social programs that don't involve computers/phones/headphones (e.g. dating, non-computer clubs, etc.)
7> Move Apple addict to a half-way house where they are allowed to use Microsoft computers for 2 hours a day only and software will be installed to remove all Apple and support sites from the computer. This will be installed on their home computer and phones as well for life).
8> Attach ankle bracelet alarm that detects Apple WiFi signals and monitor for the next year and let them move home
9> Keep lifetime "buddy" around to check on them at increasing intervals for the rest of their lives
10> Give them a certificate after 10 years free of Apple that they graduated the program
Said addicts must be kept away from Apple products for the rest of their lives lest they revert to their former addiction. Clearly, people with the Apple gene cannot safely use Apple products without becoming addicted so keeping them 'sober' is for their own good.
Not sure that everyone knows that all/any of that is done on purpose for the stated purposes as that isn't a given and and essentially represent hypothetical takes on it all.
My sarcasm was based on the face that I find it ludicrous to sue because hardware is ancient and more features are available in newer models.Yes, because that somehow has anything to do with what this is about.
Its industry standard now to do these practices. Why do you think a perfectly working phone becomes so sluggish in 3-4 years that it needs "the best iPhone ever" replacement? Its pathetic what these greedy pigs do for money.
3-4 years is ages in the mobile computing world, at least until very very recently when the pace started to slow down a bit even though it's still going at a decent rate. For example, compare computer profession and performance in the 1990's or even early 2000's and how much things would change between models that were 3-4 years apart.
Every OS bar iOS 10 has always slowed down the previous iOS release. iOS 10 is an exception simply because iOS 9 was a the worst release I had used since Vista and 10 had to fix up all that mess. But a faster or similar speed iOS upgrade is an exception rather than a norm and considering that neither Windows nor Android releases slow down the older devices And allow you to downgrade it's fair to say Apple does it on purpose
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Again it got included in the price and was bundled to you. During Black Friday bundle deals on the iPhone and AW were on. But the AW wasn't free, it was included as a part of the price. Just because it appears to be free doesn't mean it's free. Everything has a price
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I completely agree with your whole post . The sad fact is that Apple can pull things like planned obsolescence, error 53, intentional FaceTime bugs, Touch Disease and get away with it because they can simply use their cash to bulldoze their way though any lawsuit .If Samsung or any other companY on Android tried these stunts they would get bankrupt . Arrogance precedes downfall. Just a matter of time to see when
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Can you tell me exactly how much you paid for this service? If you get an iphone on sale for $100 or pay full retail price you still receive the free updates. The price of the phone paid is independent of the service and you still get the service for free. You do not have to pay extra; you can't opt out. The price is the price. Just like BMW free maintenance; you do not have to pay for the service and you can't opt out, it's still free to you. Can you tell me how much your 1 year hardware warranty cost in the price of the phone?
Let's face it. When you buy a phone 100% is not pure profit to apple. They have fixed and variable costs that are built in to the price: buildings, salaries, taxes, labor, materials, r and d and support. All of that is baked into the price and you can't opt out of any category. When you buy a windows product you get free updates for the life of the product, can you enumerate how much you pay for these "free updates". All you know is that you don't have to pay extra for them and most products include 1 or 2 support incidents, free of charge.
Planned obsolescence conspiracies make for great spin, but to prove it as in 1+1=2, not so easy. Samsung did try some nonsense, when it was reported they wanted to buy-off some persons note 7 phone, so let's not cast stones.
But whether this has a bearing in the case, we will find out.
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Probably equivalent to 1 year AppleCare coverage was included in the price I paid
How can it be free if I know the warranty cost was included in the price? Same is the case with BMW. The price included the cost of service. Whether I can refuse or not is another story. I am being compelled to buy both the hardware and the service together. Very similar to how the Apple Watch was bundled with the iPhone as a compulsion if I was to enjoy the discount. I cant refuse the Watch if I want the discount. That doesn't mae the Watch free. I have paid its fair share of price
Windows updates are included in the pricing. Nothing is free here. The amount paid to come up with innovative ideas,bug fixes, security updates has been factored into the price.
If you actually know about financial statements the costs are charged against revenue. Which means I have paid my fair share of Microsoft's costs of these updates . For significant updates which aren't factored into the price I have to pay Microsoft
And with Windows as a service model I have a feeling they will start a subscription based model for updates as people slowly ease into Windows 10
Its very very easy to prove. All iDevices are slower on the succeeding version of the OS they are shipped with and the slow down continues till EOL and I have no way of downgrading . This happens only with Apple as with Microsoft and Google, both companies freely allow me to do what I want and therefore they know they cant trap users by slowing down the devices
As to your last Paragraph my 6s is faster on 10.3 beta 2, than iOS 9. Generalization disproven, case lost. And that is what will happen in court. And pc world showed what happens when windows 10 is loaded on old intel hardware. Should I repost the link?
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Thank you, what a kind thing to say! Yours is the first post I've gotten to see this morning as I checked my notifications, and what a nice one it is. I haven't had my morning coffee just yet, but your comment sure pepped me right up! I hope you'll also become acquainted with the very many other kind and helpful members and staff of this forum. Welcome!
My iPhone 6 is nowhere near as fast as iOS 8.4.1. .And iOS 8.4.1 still blows away iOS 10.2.1 so you haven't disproven anything
This video will be shown in defense btw
Also you can Downgrade from Windows 10. Also in any case I am sure you can open more 2 tabs and type normally on Windows 10 unlike a certain other company
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Yes - they can. Well, to be more accurate they already have. It's sad. But that's the world we live in.
One of the reasons I think Steve Jobs chose Tim Cook was because he has a good grasp on the wider picture. And it's one of the reasons I like him. The problem is, Apple's long term vision of computing doesn't align with many tech types that frequent online tech forums (they want ports, they want upgradeability, they want root access etc.), hence the pretty much ever present anti-Apple narrative.
It's always good try competitors offerings when possible, and it's great finding a device/service/whatever that works better than a previous one. I'm a big Apple fan, and I love the synergy between watch, phone, tablet, computer and TV. I love the privacy stance, the resale value, the build quality, use of materials etc. etc... But there are holes which they won't fill. I own a HP MicroServer for my server needs, a Raspberry Pi for my media player needs, and a ThinkPad for my work life. To copy and paste a post I made recently:
"I use a ThinkPad at work as it has an incredible number of ports, very fast CPU and supports some Windows only software that I need. I hate the trackpad, I hate the screen. I hate the weight. I hate the thickness. I hate the boot up time. I hate the fact it doesn't sleep/wake properly. I hate Windows 7. I hate the battery life. But I use it as at the moment I need the legacy ports and the CPU makes light of certain tasks (and I do like the keyboard). No matter how much more I prefer using my 2011 MBP at home, I know getting a MBP for my current line of work would not be a wise decision."
People should just use what works best for their use cases. Is the iPhone works best great, if it's an Android device equally fine.
I certainly have had some slow down issues, and can recommend a backup/restore. It's helped me with earlier iOS devices. It's a fairly quick and easy initial step.
No problem, and thanks for the response.
YouTube videos can be altered according to you therefore this is deemed not to be evidence. Or is this moving goalposts? However I've already posted evidence that iOS 9 is faster than iOS 8 and imo iOS 10 is faster than iOS 9.
You have to get your head out of this notion of "free". Just because we don't make a separate payment for service doesn't mean it's free.
NOTHING IS FREE. PERIOD.
Let's say you can buy an iphone for $700 and Apple watch for $300. But instead, Apple sells you an iphone for $1000 and bundled with a "free" Apple watch. Would you really consider that watch to be free? Everything costs whether it's immediately apparent to you or not.
No you twisted what was said. Not recording portions of a test is not exactly altering a video
A statement like that opens up the door in a way that does not facilitate discussion. Another example saying Anandtech is biased and then quoting them to support a point, only when it supports the talking point.
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If apple sells you an iphone and watch for $700, would the watch be free, or did you receive a discount of $300? Basically the price is the price and if you value the service for the price you buy it. In this case the service is one year of hardware support, and software support for 5 years that you do not have to pay above and beyond for. You don't get a price reduction for not availing yourself of the service. Nor do I care from a consumer perspective how apple recognizes the revenue. Price includes the service, whether the phone costs $0, $100 or $1000.
You said it yourself: "Price includes the service". Since consumer pays the price, that means consumer also pays for the service. Isn't it?
But wait, you are going to come back and say "it's included for free!". Hmmm, no. It's included for an unspecified price. Don't bother asking how much that is because it's a confidential information. All numbers floating on Internet are just "best" guesses.
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Like make a phone run slower to get people to upgrade while blaming lithium ion batteries despite the fact that Android phones don't need to throttle their phones performance while using the same battery type?
Seems like that dead horse has been beaten and re-beaten many times by now.
You’re correct, they just shut down.. Plenty of reports about android phones shutting down unexpectedly linked to battery degradation if you search
I searched and you're right. But most people have an agenda especially if the facts don't support their opinion.
Android phones suddenly turning off