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5 years ago I worked at Best Buy. We had our bags searched also. The ladies had their purses searched. Took about 5 seconds per employee. Apparently these Apple employees have too much time in their hands if they went ahead and started doing accounting calculations for those 5 seconds a day it takes to search a bag.

Babies. Grow up.
So because it took you only five seconds, all of the sudden it automatically takes everyone only five seconds? Hah. What laughably childish thinking.

It took way more than five seconds, buddy. If it only took a few minutes I doubt this lawsuit would have happened. In some cases it took more than a half hour.
 
This policy of retailers has always rubbed me the wrong way. I've never worked in retail, and I can only imagine that there's a lot of theft through employees however, this just seems wrong. I think employers should be required to have probable cause before conducting a search. "A stack of iPhones is missing, nobody leaves without being searched today..." sounds reasonable to me. But to blanket search everyone does not.
 
If you have a problem with a companies policy, don't work at the company. If current apple employees have a problem with the policy, walk out and cripple Apples retail stores until they buckle or replace everyone.
 
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If you have a problem with a companies policy, don't work at the company. If current apple employees have a problem with the policy, walk out and cripple Apples retail stores until they buckle or replace everyone.
In an ideal world that is how it would work. But we don't live in an ideal world, we live in the real world where most people don't have the luxury of quitting/threatening to quit their jobs on principle.
 
If you have a problem with a companies policy, don't work at the company. If current apple employees have a problem with the policy, walk out and cripple Apples retail stores until they buckle or replace everyone.


or they can take the issue to court.
 
In an ideal world that is how it would work. But we don't live in an ideal world, we live in the real world where most people don't have the luxury of quitting/threatening to quit their jobs on principle.

Finding a job in retail is not that difficult, especially around this time of year.
 
Why does your kid deserve more money because she chose to bring a personal bag into a retail workplace? Is she a princess or somehow special? Should everyone else ALSO stay on the clock and be forced to hang out to accommodate your daughter's time waiting because SHE decided that she just HAD to bring in her bag to accommodate HER plans?

We sure can tell you're male. You (and all the other male posters) seem to completely forget that there are several days a month that female employees do HAVE to bring a bag to work to accommodate things. In my opinion, those workers should file a suit against Apple for gender discrimination. They can base it precisely on this ignorant judge's claim that they don't have to bring bags to work. "Yes, we do" they can claim and supply a gynecologist if necessary to enlighten the next male judge (and hopefully most of you) as to how biology works.
 
This lawsuit should be at the top of the list under the "frivolous lawsuit" category. Kudos to the judge for dismissing this ludicrous case. Absolutely no merit or grounds to continue forward. I HIGHLY doubt any Apple employee regularly has to wait 30 minutes before leaving work. Probably <5 minutes for 99% of employees daily. How much time do employees regularly waste of "company time" texting, goofing off, standing around, socializing, etc. every day while on the clock? That amount of time surely would far outweigh the time it takes to check a bag - even if you have to wait for a few minutes longer one day.
 
There's some pretty awful black and white arguments going on in this thread. First is, 'If you don't like it, get another job.' That's really an argument people are using? Working at an Apple store is already at the bottom of the food chain salary wise. People often get jobs there because they couldn't get a higher paying job.

Second, 'Don't bring a bag to work then or leave it in the car.' Not everyone drives. People sometimes need to bring stuff into work that they would not want to leave in their car. Food for one. Second, personal belongings, i.e. what's in a woman's purse. The above 'solution' is not one at all.

Once someone clocks out they should be free to go. Either have someone waiting there when the shift ends, or, the employee does not have to clock out waiting for bags to be searched. I understand the supreme court ruled in favor of the decision last year, and the judge is following the law, but, the ruling was a bad one, the initial ruling, and it's not employee friendly.

Apple could have set a precedent, but, they chose not too. It's a 'If you don't like it, go get a job somewhere else' stance. It's a hard nose tactic in this economy and one that doesn't reflect favorably on Apple or any other company that does the same.
 
We sure can tell you're male. You (and all the other male posters) seem to completely forget that there are several days a month that female employees do HAVE to bring a bag to work to accommodate things. In my opinion, those workers should file a suit against Apple for gender discrimination. They can base it precisely on this ignorant judge's claim that they don't have to bring bags to work. "Yes, we do" they can claim and supply a gynecologist if necessary to enlighten the next male judge (and hopefully most of you) as to how biology works.
You need the items yes. However a bag to just carry those items + something to eat would not be very big. Towels etc would fit in a medium size purse.
 
We sure can tell you're male. You (and all the other male posters) seem to completely forget that there are several days a month that female employees do HAVE to bring a bag to work to accommodate things. In my opinion, those workers should file a suit against Apple for gender discrimination. They can base it precisely on this ignorant judge's claim that they don't have to bring bags to work. "Yes, we do" they can claim and supply a gynecologist if necessary to enlighten the next male judge (and hopefully most of you) as to how biology works.
You can also tell which people still live at home with their parents.
 
or they could just do what I did when I worked for apple, and leave without getting your bag checked.
 
There's some pretty awful black and white arguments going on in this thread. First is, 'If you don't like it, get another job.' That's really an argument people are using? Working at an Apple store is already at the bottom of the food chain salary wise. People often get jobs there because they couldn't get a higher paying job.

Second, 'Don't bring a bag to work then or leave it in the car.' Not everyone drives. People sometimes need to bring stuff into work that they would not want to leave in their car. Food for one. Second, personal belongings, i.e. what's in a woman's purse. The above 'solution' is not one at all.

Once someone clocks out they should be free to go. Either have someone waiting there when the shift ends, or, the employee does not have to clock out waiting for bags to be searched. I understand the supreme court ruled in favor of the decision last year, and the judge is following the law, but, the ruling was a bad one, the initial ruling, and it's not employee friendly.

Apple could have set a precedent, but, they chose not too. It's a 'If you don't like it, go get a job somewhere else' stance. It's a hard nose tactic in this economy and one that doesn't reflect favorably on Apple or any other company that does the same.
Then vote with your wallet and boycott any companies with similar bag search policies.

Oh, I guess you'll be boycotting pretty much most of the retailers.
 
Then vote with your wallet and boycott any companies with similar bag search policies.

Oh, I guess you'll be boycotting pretty much most of the retailers.

I do boycott most retailers. And try to source things from Local shops who encourage equality and fairness amongst employees.

THe fact that Apple boasts such tremenously large profits, while at the same time, also treats their retail staff, who are the front line customer facing people, with such disdain, should give you a glimpse into the corporate culture that is going on at Apple (and amongst similar companies).

The problem is, unless they sue or go to the media, most people are not going to see just how poorly they can be treated. One person boycott is irrelevant, and unless there's a popular support and critical mass behind a boycott, it's ultimately useless.

So They have no choice but to sue, even if they lose, its at least an attempt to show what sort of behaviour is going on.
 
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Why didn't these employees just stay ON THE CLOCK until their bag check/frisking/whatever was completed, and simply punch out on their way out the door? Seems pretty simple to me. Legally, their boss cannot require them to stay on the premises after clocking out.

Additionally, I think all these employees were complacent and let it go on far too long. Then when one of them grew a pair and started the class action, everyone just jumped on the bandwagon and wanted compensation easy peasy. It should have been handled on an individual basis at the time it occurred. Let each person fight for his or her own rights.
 
The court said otherwise. So... no matter what people say here... Apple was right. End of story.
That doesn't automatically make it right or not worthy of challenging. Many things have been ruled on that were later ruled on differently.
I don't know what universe you work in, but I have worked at an Apple Store, the military, and court system. All have check my bags. Inconvenient, you bet. Worth whining about and filing a class action law suit, get real. Again, if you don't like it, don't work there. For a person to whine about it after they have agree to the conditions in the first place, is someone who needs a reality check! It appears you are the one living in a theoretical universe, while the rest of us are dealing in the real world. The one where we abide by our agreements.
How did all the labor regulations come about? Because companies were taking care of their employees and no one challenged them on it? Reality plainly shows that that's simply not how it works in many cases.
My point is they need to deal.
If I had the CHOICE to bring a bag that I know is going to be searched, I'd weigh it against the fact that I received extremely great benefits and discounts.
Apple can decide at any time that "ok, we will stop searching bags voluntarily brought into the workplace off the clock, but employees will no longer get deep discounts and will need to adhere to strict dress codes as well as no body art/piercings."
Choose your battles wisely.
And they are dealing. Some deal by just putting up with things, others deal with them by challenging them.
Then leave your bag at home. Or do you literally eat your lunch out of your bag? Or are you under the impression that they check ziplock bags/containers?
Because I just bring some small thing in a zip lock? I can't have soup in a container, and some carrots in another container, and a sandwich in some other container and just juggle it as I carry them around and not bother with a bag like a normal person? Again, what sort of indentured servitude universe are we talking about here?
 
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Interesting how you completely ignored the part of my post where I SPECIFICALLY said a lunchbox would be easily and quickly searched instead of a large bag containing a menagerie of random items. That said, you want Apple (or whatever store) to pay you more money because you made plans or have errands to run which have nothing, AT ALL, to do with their business. Why? In what universe are they responsible for that? That's YOUR responsibility. Why do you insist on making YOUR plans and YOUR extra activities everyone else's burden?

And here you go again, talking about indentured servitude. That would clearly entail you weren't allowed to willingly walk away any time you want. No one forced these people to work there, and they are free to leave any time. They aren't bound to Apple. They are only bound by their own bills, and if they want to not have these rules, then they can exit the industry, or deal with the realities of the grown up world.
What's life like in your ivory tower?

The diabetic who needs to carry their insulin. The 50% of the population who menstruate and need to carry sanitary products with them at least a few days of the month. The breast feeding mothers who, because the US thinks pregnancy is an illness, have to go back to work after 6 weeks and express milk for their child. The single parent who is going straight to class after their shift. The person who volunteers at the soup kitchen and needs to change before they go and give up their own time to help others.

All of those people should sort their lives out and organise themselves so as to not need to bring a bag to work?

Remember the issue here isn't the bag check itself, it's the time it was taking! If the emloyer was required to pay for that time it barely cost anymore because managers would be instructed to perform checks with no wait time and their performance would be measured in part on how much money they had cost the company by having employees sitting around waiting for their bag to be checked.

Finally it's not just the few dollars of wage for those 10 minutes that's the issue. Someone could need to get to a daycare to collect a child and because they were held up for 20 minutes they missed a bus and got to daycare 10 minutes late which just cost them $100!

No one is asking for free money, people are asking employers to be accountable and respect their employees.
 
Sounds pretty simple to me. An employer pays you for being productive. If your employer states that carrying personal storage devices (analog & digital) is subject to a search, this search is part of your non-productive presence. Thus no pay. If you want no delays on your way out, don't bring searchable stuff.
 
Then vote with your wallet and boycott any companies with similar bag search policies.

Oh, I guess you'll be boycotting pretty much most of the retailers.
I already don't shop at an Apple store. It's a window shopping store. I haven't bought anything from a Walmart in a decade. Target doesn't do a bag search. I am guilty of supporting Amazon though, habitually. Even so, not spending in the stores isn't the way to go. Do that, Apple won't change policies. They'll just lay off workers. That's the last thing anybody would want.
 
Sounds pretty simple to me. An employer pays you for being productive. If your employer states that carrying personal storage devices (analog & digital) is subject to a search, this search is part of your non-productive presence. Thus no pay. If you want no delays on your way out, don't bring searchable stuff.
That doesn't mean that delays can continually be of unreasonable length. If an employer needs to do the checks then they need to have the ecosystem to do them appropriately as well.
 
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