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League of Legends and Diablo 3 on Haswell Retina 15" 2.3Ghz, 16GB, 512GB, 750M GT

Jinzen said:
Native res probably is under 30 FPS for D3. That's completely unplayable for me, maybe not for you.

Some people don't really see the tearing or are bothered by it.
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Yeah, could be my eyes. I only see tearing on high frame rates.

Native res with shadows off goes at 36-37 during light combat in Act 1 inferno. Dropping to 1536 pushes it up to 57-61 fps which is quite enjoyable, but anything over 25 is playable for me, considering I had to play competitive gaming back in the days with 200+ ping and low end components, I guess i'm just used to being able to play on any setup.
 
ElderBrE said:
Yeah, could be my eyes. I only see tearing on high frame rates.

Native res with shadows off goes at 36-37 during light combat in Act 1 inferno. Dropping to 1536 pushes it up to 57-61 fps which is quite enjoyable, but anything over 25 is playable for me, considering I had to play competitive gaming back in the days with 200+ ping and low end components, I guess i'm just used to being able to play on any setup.
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Yep, now that D3 is eliminating the Auction House, I might come back and play it again... well probably when the expansion pack comes out anyway.
 
I just did another test in Diablo III to find which settings I enjoyed the view of with very playable experience.. The one I liked best was the following,

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~40-55 FPS (Very Smooth, Nice Experience, Quality Great)
-2048x1280.
-Fullscreen.
-High Settings (Shadows OFF).
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-VSYNC OFF
-Uncapped FPS.

-Played for 15 minutes non-stop.
-I experienced on screen tears with vsync disabled.
-I turn off shadows in most games I play as I find it a big gpu hog and for something I don't really notice much myself.
-The game experience looked GREAT and very playable.
-The FPS would be around 55 with no monsters or a couple on screen during no combat, 40-50 during most fights and it never dipped below 39 at ANY time during the 15 minutes I played, fighting many groups of elites at once, etc.

I took screenshots of temperatures before and after 15 minutes of Diablo III play.

BEFORE:
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AFTER:
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-Very impressed with the temperatures and the laptop wasn't uncomfortable at all for me.
-GPU never gets above 78 degrees and CPU never above 75 degrees.

Going to try to get some more games tested tonight.
 
Thanks a lot for these benchmarks!

About the fans, +-3500RPM is ok, but are they loud?
After playing 15minutes of diablo they are at 4500RPM, how loud do they get then?

Thanks in advance man!
 
pieterjanvh said:
Thanks a lot for these benchmarks!

About the fans, +-3500RPM is ok, but are they loud?
After playing 15minutes of diablo they are at 4500RPM, how loud do they get then?

Thanks in advance man!
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at 3300-4300, the sound is barely noticeable to me unless you put your head down next to the Macbook keyboard.

4700+ it gets louder and louder

5500+ is very loud, obviously.. but doesn't bother me.. I dunno the fan noises never bother me I guess, I'm also in a room with my desktop chassis only a couple feet away so some background white noise.
 
Those are crazy insane good temps, makes me think I have an issue with mine. Early 2013 by the way
 
Jinzen said:
The tearing is what happens with the Retina display, and yes, anything without VSYNC tears the display.

It doesn't seem to bother everyone though.
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i've played csgo extensively at around 70fps and dota 2 at around 85fps extensively since i got the laptop with vsync off, i have not noticed any tearing in those yet (windows 8.1, latest intel drivers)
 
Starfyre said:
Can you play a game and not have loud fans?
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Playing League of Legends for 15 minutes didn't put my fans over 3700.
Playing Diablo III for 15 minutes didn't put my fans over 4700.

Neither was noticeable loud, especially not League.
 
Installed Windows 7 through Bootcamp to try some of my other games.

I'm going to do Battlefield 3, Skyrim and some others.

I've only done Battlefield 3 so far.

I had to run it in Windowed Mode, because Fullscreen was giving me issues with the interface for clicking on the menu. I need to figure it out.

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~52 FPS (Very Smooth, Good Quality)
-1920x1080.
-Windowed Mode.
-AUTO Settings.
-VSync OFF.
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~32 FPS (Smooth, Amazing Quality)
-1920x1080.
-Windowed Mode.
-ULTRA Settings.
-VSync OFF.
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~45 FPS (Very Smooth, OK Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Windowed Mode.
-LOW Settings.
-VSync OFF.
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~34 FPS (Smooth, Good Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Windowed Mode.
-AUTO Settings.
-VSync OFF.
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~16 FPS (Very Unplayable, Amazing Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Windowed Mode.
-ULTRA Settings.
-VSync OFF.
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HWMonitor Temperatures:

-Temperatures taken after 20 minutes of gameplay.
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Skyrim, Starcraft II and Simcity up next.
 
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I finally got PCMark7 and 3DMark11 installed and ran the benchmarks..

This is what I got,

PCMark7:

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3DMark11:

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I believe this puts PCMark7 score +250 points and 3DMark11 score +350 over early 2013 Retina 15" scores. Not a massive improvement, but improvement none the less.
 
mthos said:
I finally got PCMark7 and 3DMark11 installed and ran the benchmarks..

This is what I got,

PCMark7:

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3DMark11:

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I believe this puts PCMark7 score +250 points and 3DMark11 score +350 over early 2013 Retina 15" scores. Not a massive improvement, but improvement none the less.
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I tested my rMBP with 650M in 3dmark with GPU score 2450 (overall score was around 2600 too) just a couple of days ago :confused:
 
luffy889 said:
I tested my rMBP with 650M in 3dmark with GPU score 2450 (overall score was around 2600 too) just a couple of days ago :confused:
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I'm not quite sure of what surprises you, since 650m and 750m are exactly the same chip, with more or less similar clocks in rMBPs case.
 
Mthos... nice stuff, moist of it I hardly understand I am far from a tech guy. I have a question you seem to know your stuff. Is there some kind of driver problem with the 750m? And how does the late 2013 rmbp compare to the early model... I have the same model as yours and I am quite happy with it in general. I do have the chance to bring it back and get the highest end mid 2013 rmpb. not sure if I need too though..
 
Danlevm said:
Mthos... nice stuff, moist of it I hardly understand I am far from a tech guy. I have a question you seem to know your stuff. Is there some kind of driver problem with the 750m? And how does the late 2013 rmbp compare to the early model... I have the same model as yours and I am quite happy with it in general. I do have the chance to bring it back and get the highest end mid 2013 rmpb. not sure if I need too though..
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I do not have the new MaBook pro yet, but there seems to be a driver problem with the 750m. I have seen a lot of reviews/benchmarks where the 650m out performs the 750m in graphically intense operations, like gaming. I am sure it will be fixed in an update, but who knows when.
 
Lord Flashheart said:
I do not have the new MaBook pro yet, but there seems to be a driver problem with the 750m. I have seen a lot of reviews/benchmarks where the 650m out performs the 750m in graphically intense operations, like gaming. I am sure it will be fixed in an update, but who knows when.
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Thanks, is it a known problem? I wonder if apple is aware... have they ever fixed a driver problem through an update? I found that my minecraft wasn't running that well.... and that isn't really a demanding game...
 
I've ran benchmarks on Starcraft II (OSX) in a game vs AI:

STARCRAFT II (OSX) BENCHMARKS:

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~20 FPS (Unplayable, Amazing Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-ULTRA Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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~45 FPS (OK Play, Good Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-MEDIUM Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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~100 FPS (Very Smooth, OK Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-LOW Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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~40 FPS (OK Play, Amazing Quality)
-1920x1200.
-Fullscreen.
-ULTRA Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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~85 FPS (Smooth Play, Good Quality)
-1920x1200.
-Fullscreen.
-MEDIUM Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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~175 FPS (Amazing Play, OK Quality)
-1920x1200.
-Fullscreen.
-LOW Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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~50 FPS (Smooth Play, Great Quality)
-1440x900.
-Fullscreen.
-ULTRA Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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~75 FPS (Amazing Play, Good Quality)
-1440x900.
-Fullscreen.
-HIGH Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS
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Temperatures AFTER 20 minutes of gameplay:

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All in all, the game ran very well.
I found 1920x1200, Medium Settings to run the best/smooth with still very good quality. Again this is on the OSX side, not Windows. I'm not going to re-download the game on the Windows side too.

edit: These were taken during small fights or just messing around.. In very large fights the FPS can drop around 25% or so. (I did one large fight).
 
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3DMark Vantage score.

GPU: 9808
CPU: 22539
3DMark Score: P11421

The 2012 Retina Macbook Pro 15" Retina got around P10600 on the same test, so not too much difference.
 
I've now installed Elder Scrolls - SKYRIM on Bootcamp (WIN7) to test out.

THE ELDER SCROLLS: SKYRIM - BENCHMARKS (WIN7):

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~30 FPS - would dip to low 20's - (Unplayable, Amazing Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-HIGH Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-VSync Enabled (Max 60 FPS)
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~40 FPS - would dip to mid-high 20's - (OK Play, Amazing Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-MEDIUM Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-VSync Enabled (Max 60 FPS)
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~60 FPS - would dip low-mid 50's - (Very Smooth, Great Quality)
-1920x1200.
-Fullscreen.
-HIGH Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-VSync Enabled (Max 60 FPS)
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~60 FPS - never dipped below 60 - (Very Smooth, Great Quality)
-1920x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-MEDIUM Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-VSync Enabled (Max 60 FPS)
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I'm not sure if people still want game benchmarks, but I'm bored anyways :D

I was just playing through the beginning of the game constantly to benchmark (dragon fire breathing and destroying the town) which is mainly when the FPS would dip.

The game was very enjoyable on 1920x1200 on high and medium and it looked fantastic. The fans do kick into the 5500+ RPM's during this game.
 
Just wanted to say after the firmware update SC2 on OS X is running much better. Settings that used to make the menu choppy no longer do.
 
goMac said:
Just wanted to say after the firmware update SC2 on OS X is running much better. Settings that used to make the menu choppy no longer do.
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on the GT 750M model or the Iris Pro 5200 model?

I will test it again.
 
I re-tested Starcraft II and have indeed noticed improved framerates since the EFI update earlier today from Apple, around 25-35% increase.

I only re-tested my previous 2880x1800 benchmark setups:

~20 FPS (Unplayable, Amazing Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-ULTRA Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS

~30 FPS since EFI update.
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~45 FPS (OK Play, Good Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-MEDIUM Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS

~60 FPS since EFI update.
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~100 FPS (Very Smooth, OK Quality)
-2880x1800.
-Fullscreen.
-LOW Settings.
-Anti-Aliasing OFF.
-Uncapped FPS

~130 FPS since EFI update.
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As you can see they were 33% increases in this case. I did test some of the 1920x1200 resolutions and they were also around 25-35% increase.

I will re-test League of Legends, Battlefield 3 and Skyrim when I wake up in a bit.
 
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