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Leaked AT&T doc slams the Palm Pre
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If Sprint offered an Iphone 3G (if they had GSM..) for $0 a month, and it had unlimited minutes, texts, and data, I would not do it. I'd rather pay $90 a month for my iPhone with 450 minutes, unlimited texts/data.
Sprint sucks ASS. They are the worst network worldwide, and even in customer service standards, they are like 4th worst out of ANY COMPANY WORLDWIDE.
So I have no interest in the Pre, I think it will be a flop just like the Samsung Instinct; their last 'iPhone Killer.'
The iPhone is like a powerful dictator, nothing can defeat it but itself.
Sprint sucks ASS. They are the worst network worldwide, and even in customer service standards, they are like 4th worst out of ANY COMPANY WORLDWIDE.
So I have no interest in the Pre, I think it will be a flop just like the Samsung Instinct; their last 'iPhone Killer.'
The iPhone is like a powerful dictator, nothing can defeat it but itself.
Phones are so amazing before they exist!
Exactly.
This entire Palm Pre gallery is all computer generated. Yep, 100% concept only folks.
Edit: Oh sweet, I just saw this image - browser bookmarks are thumbnails of the actual page. Neat.
Don't be a smart ass, you know he means commercially public, seeing as though there is no real audience for it seeing as though it does not EXIST yet to the public. There is no way it will even bring one iota of fear into Apple's mind. Especially with iPhone 3.0 and most likely a new iPhone coming this summer, around the same time as the Pre.
But that's still plastic isn't it? Maybe designed "like" metal.
Metal+Plastic=....Pletal?
It's definitely metal. I remember watching one of those horrible videos where they throw things into blenders just for the hell of it, and after they did it with the iPhone 3G the only part that survived (albeit somewhat mangled) was that one metal piece that goes around the edge of the screen. Definitely would have disintegrated if it was plastic.
Your statement about the application store is flawed. You're comparing apples and oranges. You can't automatically discount the Palm Pre app store since it hasn't even been launched yet. People did the exact same thing with the iPhone app store by comparing to the Blackberry, PalmOS and WinMo stores before it was even launched. You're basically recalling the days when the iPhone virtual keyboard was criticized. The then iPhone users retaliated by telling everyone that they should wait until you yourself had the chance to try out the keyboard. The only way you could even remotely compare the two stores is only when the Pre store has had enough time to mature to be comparable to the size and scope of the iPhone store. As a side note, Palm GarnetOS is going to be emulated on the webOS. Sure, it sucks balls but you have to remember that it only adds to the amount of apps that are available from the start. Hell, Balmer himself was quick to downplay the iPhone in the months before its release for similar reasons.
I've used the iPhone enough times to know that I will never get used to it's virtual keyboard. Baring that, a virtual keyboard is not an adequate replacement for a physical keyboard. We humans love our tactile feedback way too much.
The iPhone 3G has a plastic back to improve signal quality. Only the original iPhone has a metal back. Remember the people who complained about the difference between an iBook/Macbook WiFi connection and a Powerbook/Macbook Pro connection? Plastic is easier for cell frequencies to pierce.
If you do a little research, you'll see that people prefer drag and drop over the draconian iTunes integration. Sure, it's nice that it's something so seamless, but drag and drop lets me have so much more control over my phone.
The part about it being limited to CDMA is only partially true. It has already been reported that there WILL be a GSM version of the Pre sometime after its release. It's just merely that Sprint has exclusivity rights at this point in time.
I think you should hold judgement until you actually have a chance to play around with a Pre. Disregard the fact that it's going to be on Sprint. Because, after all, it's the software, RIGHT? Unfortunately, not everyone is as nearly informed about cell phone features, as some of the people who post on this forum or any other technology forum for that matter, to know that this internal comparison chart has no teeth.
I could care less about knocking off the Pre. I hope it becomes a good phone. I'd like to see the devs spread out and try else where, as I will I know.
Um, to the post above, you say we love feeling the physical feedback of real keyboards? I understand that but I can type on the iPhone no look and know that I'm spelling right.
Secondly, I hate drag and drop. That means I have to go through and find the music that I recently downloaded to update my music on my phone. No thanks. I prefer iTunes to manage that.
Um, to the post above, you say we love feeling the physical feedback of real keyboards? I understand that but I can type on the iPhone no look and know that I'm spelling right.
Secondly, I hate drag and drop. That means I have to go through and find the music that I recently downloaded to update my music on my phone. No thanks. I prefer iTunes to manage that.
To be honest, I should've clarified that drag and drop works for files such as ringtones and Word documents. But don't be quick to knock down dragging and dropping music files. You have to remember that space is limited on the iPhone. Take for example the 8gb iPhone. You need to be able to manage space with such a limitation. You might have more music/videos than apps or vice versa. With drag and drop, you have direct control over something like that.
That's not to say that the iTunes integration would be taken out if Apple ever decided to branch out of their little bubble and implement drag and drop. Just saying it should be an option we have. iTunes is a middle man. Drag and drop would get rid of that middle man.
That's not to say that the iTunes integration would be taken out if Apple ever decided to branch out of their little bubble and implement drag and drop. Just saying it should be an option we have. iTunes is a middle man. Drag and drop would get rid of that middle man.
AT&T can come up with as many talking points to feed their employees as they want. Until they have a talking point that says:
"Yes, we've built a tower that changes the fact that you get absolutely no cell reception anywhere within 1000 feet of your apartment"
then I'm not interested.
I was looking forward to getting the new iPhone this summer, but the lack of AT&T coverage at my home has become untenable and disruptive to my normal everyday life, so I'm having to ditch it. Luckily, the Pre is looking like a winner and I'm really liking alot of the design choices they've made with it - slightly smaller screen, etc.
I will miss the iTunes integration the most, it makes keeping my contacts sync'd up really seemless, and smart playlists really automate anything I'd want drag-and-drop functionality for. Since Apple deems it unnecessary to let you sync Mac Address Book with Google Contacts unless you sync an iPhone or iPod Touch I'll have to pay Spanning Sync for the privilege I suppose when I switch.
"Yes, we've built a tower that changes the fact that you get absolutely no cell reception anywhere within 1000 feet of your apartment"
then I'm not interested.
I was looking forward to getting the new iPhone this summer, but the lack of AT&T coverage at my home has become untenable and disruptive to my normal everyday life, so I'm having to ditch it. Luckily, the Pre is looking like a winner and I'm really liking alot of the design choices they've made with it - slightly smaller screen, etc.
I will miss the iTunes integration the most, it makes keeping my contacts sync'd up really seemless, and smart playlists really automate anything I'd want drag-and-drop functionality for. Since Apple deems it unnecessary to let you sync Mac Address Book with Google Contacts unless you sync an iPhone or iPod Touch I'll have to pay Spanning Sync for the privilege I suppose when I switch.
It's natural to try to protect their income.
ATT will put down the Pre... right up until they start carrying the GSM version.
ATT will put down the Pre... right up until they start carrying the GSM version.
Yes, the silence switch is metal, as is the power switch. Obviously these "selling points" are for the lowest common denominator who will eat up anything you tell them.
I'm not sure why this was published as news. AT&T does this with every major new phone introduction that doesn't happen on their network.
Similar internal documents were released for the Blackberry Storm and T-Mobile G1. You know those other "iPhone killers."
Also, the use of "synch" instead of "sync" is odd.
Similar internal documents were released for the Blackberry Storm and T-Mobile G1. You know those other "iPhone killers."
Also, the use of "synch" instead of "sync" is odd.
Where are you getting your stats from. I have Sprint and have had other cell service in Europe...THOSE ARE TERRIBLE.
I would never go for something like this. Technically, if you want drag and drop... then manually manage the music on your iPhone... then can you drag and drop any music file directly from the FINDER onto the iPhone icon in iTunes without ever having to manage ANY files in iTunes... but you already knew that didn't you?
According to all the people at Engadget, the Pre officially spells the end of the iPhone.
lmfao.
Main pluses are:
1)physical keyboard
2)drag-and-drop
3)no iTunes
Ooooh Apple is so scared.
just to be clear, I will be the first in line to buy my Pre.
So, I guess that also means that you may be the first in line to return it, too.
It seems really hyped up to me. Another "iPhone Killer". It will be very interesting to see if there is a lot of lag throughout the OS. So far, I am not impressed with the videos I have seen and the information on Palm's website.
It just doesn't have the same wow factor that the iphone did when it was announced.
Nonetheless, it is always nice to see competition.
But that's still plastic isn't it? Maybe designed "like" metal.
Metal+Plastic=....Pletal?
No, chrome is metal, not plastic.
According to all the people at Engadget, the Pre officially spells the end of the iPhone.
lmfao.
Main pluses are:
1)physical keyboard
2)drag-and-drop
3)no iTunes
Ooooh Apple is so scared.
Engadget has become so annoying with the bickering on anything Apple related, even things not related to Apple always finds a way to turn into Apple.
Why does everyone seem to bring up Drag and Drop? Please explain further, as I seem to not understand the benefits.
Can't you create a New Playlist in iTunes and drag and drop what you want into that Playlist?
Also, isn't it so much easier to manage iTunes media with Smart Playlists? I've always thought that dragging and dropping 8GB of music was for people that just don't get how to use Smart Playlists. That seems like a lengthy process just to get music on a phone. Seriously, try creating Smart Playlists.
I only use Smart Playlists with one or two regular Playlists that I "drag and drop" into.
Maybe I am the one that does not get it. If so, please explain.
All those palm legacy apps can't interact with the phone so it's not a big deal it's just there for new converts to feel better. All that integrated email, messenging and IM is not new my blackberry bold does that already, my facebook, aol, email and pin are all tied together. The pre looks nice but I can't even bother with CDMA networks.
I think the biggest benefit that people refer to is that first you don't have to open iTunes, and for Windows users, iTunes is apparently not running real smooth like the Mac version. So, if you could just have a folder (or HD or whatever) on your desktop that is the iPhone's music library, you can just drag and drop right in the Finder. Just like copying files from one drive/volume to another.
However, I don't mess with playlists. I check "Manually manage music" in iTunes and drag and drop from the finder right to the iPhone (under Devices). Granted I have to open iTunes first, but that's fine with me.
The main thing that I don't like is how your library on the phone is tied to just one computer. If you want to take your laptop with you to manage the phone on the road you have to delete everything and copy it all over again. That really blows. They should have set it up where you can use multiple iTunes, even if it was restricted to where you have to be signed in to the store with the same account. Or keep it tied together with ME.com or something.