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By advocating for these regulations to be revoked you are.


You can say that about me but what about everyone else? And does it make my argument invalid? Don't think so.


If your choice is the walled garden then I told you multiple times that nothing will change for you. If your "choice" is the lack of choice for other people then I don't know what to say other than too bad.
These regulations have not even gone into force. They can't be revoked when they don't apply yet.

And your last sentence does at least highlight what I was saying about the attitude you've taken (to hell with what anyone else wants). It would be better if you were honest about that from the start instead of trying to portray some moral stance. It's difficult for you to paint yourself as the good guy when you are so obviously the bad guy, so it's pointless trying.
 
These regulations have not even gone into force. They can't be revoked when they don't apply yet.
[...] the regulations [...] should be revoked.
Your words, not mine

And your last sentence does at least highlight what I was saying about the attitude you've taken (to hell with what anyone else wants). It would be better if you were honest about that from the start instead of trying to portray some moral stance. It's difficult for you to paint yourself as the good guy when you are so obviously the bad guy, so it's pointless trying.
That shows your lack of reading comprehension, since if you read the 2 words before "too bad" you'd see I was talking about your desire to deprive me of choice, which is rightfully being taken away.
 
Your words, not mine


That shows your lack of reading comprehension, since if you read the 2 words before "too bad" you'd see I was talking about your desire to deprive me of choice, which is rightfully being taken away.
Of course the regulations should be revoked if they result in worse consumer outcomes, which I expect they will. Why would you not want them revoked in that case?

You are tying yourself in knots here trying to argue about a choice you've never had being taken away. You are not making any sense.

Come back please when you have thought through your argument and can articulate it in a way that makes sense.
 
Of course the regulations should be revoked if they result in worse consumer outcomes, which I expect they will. Why would you not want them revoked in that case?

You are tying yourself in knots here trying to argue about a choice you've never had being taken away. You are not making any sense.
That's the thing. They won't result in worse outcomes.

You keep parroting the same bad faith arguments over and over again. It's getting tiresome. But you know what they say, there are none so deaf as those who will not hear
 
That's the thing. They won't result in worse outcomes.

You keep parroting the same bad faith arguments over and over again. It's getting tiresome. But you know what they say, there are none so deaf as those who will not hear

Then I disagree, there is nothing here to suggest a good outcome for iOS consumers. We will have to wait and see what the impact is.

Interestingly, I actually think there will be a positive outcome for android users. It looks like the regulations codify in law something similar to Apple's app tracking transparency, and will finally let android users get rid of those annoying google apps that come preinstalled on all their phones!
 
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Being locked in a walled garden is what a lot of people want. Many people have lived with the windows and android way of doing things for a long time and want something better than what they are able to offer. These regulations force apple to operate the same way as android. It’s a net loss of choice for consumers.
Do you have any source for that? As far as we know it could be exactly the same amount of people that likes to side load on android as exist on ios
These regulations satisfy business interests at the expense of consumer interests. I suspect the long term outcome will be good for businesses and bad for consumers. I suspect we will see increased fraud, decreased privacy, higher costs and generally a worse consumer user experience.
Considering this regulation is for the market first, consumer interest aren’t respected whatsoever.

And secondly EU have drastically less instances of fraud happening. And android gaveling not even 0.1% harmful apps running. I’d say you’re making a big deal with no foundation.
If most people won't notice anything changed, the regulations failed and should be revoked.

If you have regulations that are designed to fundamentally change the relationship between consumers, Apple and developers but consumers don't notice any change, the regulations have failed to do what they set out to do. And if you believe that now, why do you support these regulations?
Obviously you don’t know what the regulations are set out to do. The regulations main purpose is to change the fundamental relationship between apple and smaller businesses. Not between consumers and apple. According to EU, people owning an iPhone aren’t Apple consumers for buying a phone. This includes the hardware and software.

And unless they subscribe to them it doesn’t change.
My assumption is consumers will notice a difference for the worse, which indicates the regulations have failed.

Your assumption is consumers will not notice a difference, which indicates the regulations have failed.

The scenario we are missing is consumers notice a difference for the better, but neither you or I are advocating that.
If consumers doesn’t notice anything= apple made a superior product and nobody will change their behavior.

If consumers notice anything= then Apple wasn’t doing the best product and held back the market by force.
So the upshot is we all seem to be in agreement that consumers won't notice anything better, won't notice anything at all, or may notice something worse. And you are supporting that why???
Remember these regulations aren’t Apple specific. They target multiple companies. Even google is targeted explicitly how they force android on phone makers and restrict them.
If side loading is important to a consumer, they will have bought android. If side loading is not important to a consumer, they will have bought iOS or android. Therefore it is safe to assume that iOS users do not find side loading an important consideration. The consumer market has therefore decided that they want both the android and iOS model. These regulations get rid of the iOS model meaning a consumer can no longer choose that model.
This is completely false.
If a person who have a list of things they value.
Apple Watch compatibility
iMessage support.
AppStore library of 5 years.
icloud realy.
iOS privacy focus.

Then you want side loading, so do you sacrifice and sell your apple watch and everything else just to getting one thing?

I have been jailbreaking my iPhone since 2009. I love how iOS works compared to android, but I only missed the few apps and system settings only cydia could fix
 
You can. Just pay for the Developer enrollment. It's your phone, but Apple's software. And the Developer enrollment pays for 1 year of unlocking the developer permissions to using their software libraries.
It’s not apples software. It’s well established that unique copy is the property of the consumer. No contract will change this. Only if you rent or lease it.

Steam tried to say that you only purchase a licensed use. But eu said it’s a legitimate purchase, no different from a physical copy
I have all sorts of apps on my phone that can't go in the App store (mostly emulators, open source stuff from GitHub, broken prototype apps, and stupid unfinished games, etc.)
 
You put your app on your phone then complained you can’t put your app on your phone. Something doesn’t compute here.
Having my app on my phone for 7 days is better than 0 days but not as good as it being there till I remove it. I'm not sure you genuinely found my post hard to comprehend.

I got home late tonight, went to open the door but the app had expired - I guess I forgot to load it again last weekend. I could ring the buzzer but that is likely to wake my sleeping child. Instead I silently cursed the restriction and waited for a neighbour to come past.
 
Having my app on my phone for 7 days is better than 0 days but not as good as it being there till I remove it. I'm not sure you genuinely found my post hard to comprehend.

I got home late tonight, went to open the door but the app had expired - I guess I forgot to load it again last weekend. I could ring the buzzer but that is likely to wake my sleeping child. Instead I silently cursed the restriction and waited for a neighbour to come past.
an insane restriction for no bennefit at all
 
Having my app on my phone for 7 days is better than 0 days but not as good as it being there till I remove it. I'm not sure you genuinely found my post hard to comprehend.

I got home late tonight, went to open the door but the app had expired - I guess I forgot to load it again last weekend. I could ring the buzzer but that is likely to wake my sleeping child. Instead I silently cursed the restriction and waited for a neighbour to come past.
Sounds like you should have bought an android phone then.
 
You're not locked in. You just admitted that it cost $99/annum extra for an iPhone which you can sideload. Cheapskates users don't get that feature for their $99 discount (e.g. the regular retail price).
Considering you're given an OS which can technically sideload but is locked by software, what you described is analogous to a car with a gear shift that's locked behind a paywall, despite being fully functional otherwise (all the components are there).
It's not even an indefinite sideloading for that fee, but it's time-limited.
So yeah, you're pretty much locked in
 
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