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Legal issues
The issues aren't about thunder-stealing, but about the legal issues of disclosure and stock prices. Major announcements (can be) insider information, and, in certain instances, whole companies can go into a blackout period before them. If the information gets leaked (as in this case) there's that pesky SEC to deal with...
Perhaps a hardware release isn't material -- I don't know; I've only worked software myself. But I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a case of anyone getting fired just because he got Steve-o angry.
These are good specs, yes. Will they be astronomically expensive? Heck yeah. If Apple is going to sell "the world's fastest personal computer" it's going to cost like it, too. That's how business works: when you want the best product you have to pay for it.
The issues aren't about thunder-stealing, but about the legal issues of disclosure and stock prices. Major announcements (can be) insider information, and, in certain instances, whole companies can go into a blackout period before them. If the information gets leaked (as in this case) there's that pesky SEC to deal with...
Perhaps a hardware release isn't material -- I don't know; I've only worked software myself. But I'm pretty sure this isn't going to be a case of anyone getting fired just because he got Steve-o angry.
These are good specs, yes. Will they be astronomically expensive? Heck yeah. If Apple is going to sell "the world's fastest personal computer" it's going to cost like it, too. That's how business works: when you want the best product you have to pay for it.
optical drive
Actually, no. The G5 gif includes ten bullet points. The gif for the current shipping models has but nine. It's just an issue of choosing what to highlite. They don't call out the 56K modem either -- is that a problem, too? Of course not, because the modem is taken for granted (though not in the PC world). What about ethernet? Same deal. Just a marketing decision.
Actually, no. The G5 gif includes ten bullet points. The gif for the current shipping models has but nine. It's just an issue of choosing what to highlite. They don't call out the 56K modem either -- is that a problem, too? Of course not, because the modem is taken for granted (though not in the PC world). What about ethernet? Same deal. Just a marketing decision.
Whatever it was, it cooperated into keeping high interest around apple WWDC announcements 🙂
Don't know why, but everytime people wait for something i expect this kind of things from Apple 🙂
KENESS
macrumors 6502
Optical audio in and out
This is the biggest news for me, as a Home Theater Mac User...
To answer the above post, optical allows for a cleaner sound signal to and from your receiver/speakers.
Most importantly, though, optical audio out implies (FINALLY!) multichannel sound out. Surround Sound.
If Apple has put surround sound hardware in place, they probably have updated DVD Player to PASS that surround sound to a receiver for those of us with surround sound setups. (Or people can just use the analog audio out if they don't.)
Multichannel audio out has been around for a while with devices like the M-Audio Sonica, but since DVD Player didn't support multichannel sound itself, it didn't do any good.
This is the biggest news for me, as a Home Theater Mac User...
To answer the above post, optical allows for a cleaner sound signal to and from your receiver/speakers.
Most importantly, though, optical audio out implies (FINALLY!) multichannel sound out. Surround Sound.
If Apple has put surround sound hardware in place, they probably have updated DVD Player to PASS that surround sound to a receiver for those of us with surround sound setups. (Or people can just use the analog audio out if they don't.)
Multichannel audio out has been around for a while with devices like the M-Audio Sonica, but since DVD Player didn't support multichannel sound itself, it didn't do any good.
something i just noticed
It looks to me like this was a mistake made when loading some changes to the Apple store. For the last week ive been pricing various powerbook configurations in anticipation of monday in the education store. I just went in there again after all this mess and all of the buttons to "update" the order, "1-click", etc are flat like the iPod ordering buttons . . . . they used to bulge out.
Besides I would think that Apple's servers would be rather secure to prevent them from being "hacked".
Just my thoughts.
It looks to me like this was a mistake made when loading some changes to the Apple store. For the last week ive been pricing various powerbook configurations in anticipation of monday in the education store. I just went in there again after all this mess and all of the buttons to "update" the order, "1-click", etc are flat like the iPod ordering buttons . . . . they used to bulge out.
Besides I would think that Apple's servers would be rather secure to prevent them from being "hacked".
Just my thoughts.
This will be one of the biggest 3-4 days for me in a long time to come... Apple "acidently" releases the specs early on Thursday/Friday depending on your time zone. Then on Saturday Year 5 of Harry Potter! Saturday/Sunday, reading Harry Potter Year 5. Then on monday WWDC Keynote, then my Graduation Party! Finally on Tuesday I order my G5 😀
I hate to say it...
...but I think these specs are a hoax. I really really hope it's not, because it can't possibly be good for Apple if they don't live up to those specs, but there are two things missing from the list. First, as many have noticed, there is no mention of a Superdrive, which Apple loves to push.
Second, there is not even mention that these processors are 64-bit! I know 64-bit processing is not something that is meaningful to most users, but 64-bit certainly sounds twice as good as 32-bit to the average consumer. Apple surely knows this, and would take every opportunity to remind people.
...but I think these specs are a hoax. I really really hope it's not, because it can't possibly be good for Apple if they don't live up to those specs, but there are two things missing from the list. First, as many have noticed, there is no mention of a Superdrive, which Apple loves to push.
Second, there is not even mention that these processors are 64-bit! I know 64-bit processing is not something that is meaningful to most users, but 64-bit certainly sounds twice as good as 32-bit to the average consumer. Apple surely knows this, and would take every opportunity to remind people.
macnews
macrumors 6502a
Wow, Wow and WOW!
Like some people have already mentioned, when you are working in a template type of website, with similar naming conventions, etc. it is very easy to accidentally set the wrong "start" time. If you think Apple just has someone waiting until the announcement to submit all the info on the site, guess again! A BIG attention to detail item that will most likely cost someone their job. I doubt this was a hack or crack into Apple's website (the Apple store non the less!).
As to the posters who have asked about superdrives and other specs about them - look at the current Apple store. You will notice they don't always list specs like the superdrive. Mater of fact, the only reason it is currently listed is because it is a NEW 4x superdrive - adding incentive to buy. Thus, I don't think this distracts from any of the credibility of the posted specs.
One item that seems to have gone by un-noticed the current Apple store lists the PowerMac "G4". Every summer I buy new powermacs for the university I work at and have been pricing to get ready for the potential 970 release (using current models - Apple has tended to stay relatively close so it gives me a rough budget $). The past month when I have been going in to the store and doing powermac configs I would always click on Powermac - not Powermac "G4". The "G4" moniker seems to be a new addition.
Like some people have already mentioned, when you are working in a template type of website, with similar naming conventions, etc. it is very easy to accidentally set the wrong "start" time. If you think Apple just has someone waiting until the announcement to submit all the info on the site, guess again! A BIG attention to detail item that will most likely cost someone their job. I doubt this was a hack or crack into Apple's website (the Apple store non the less!).
As to the posters who have asked about superdrives and other specs about them - look at the current Apple store. You will notice they don't always list specs like the superdrive. Mater of fact, the only reason it is currently listed is because it is a NEW 4x superdrive - adding incentive to buy. Thus, I don't think this distracts from any of the credibility of the posted specs.
One item that seems to have gone by un-noticed the current Apple store lists the PowerMac "G4". Every summer I buy new powermacs for the university I work at and have been pricing to get ready for the potential 970 release (using current models - Apple has tended to stay relatively close so it gives me a rough budget $). The past month when I have been going in to the store and doing powermac configs I would always click on Powermac - not Powermac "G4". The "G4" moniker seems to be a new addition.
MacBandit
macrumors 604
Well I am excited I really am but I doubt the authenticity of the image posted at Apple. At first I really though they just screwed up but when you see the G4 specs side by side with the G5 specs it just looks completely different thent the Apple standard.
See for yourself. Also feel free to browse the Apple store you will see that it differs in layout from all of the other hardware products at the store.
At this point only a few days until we all know the truth but I chose to air on the side of caution as Apple is known for letting us down.
See for yourself. Also feel free to browse the Apple store you will see that it differs in layout from all of the other hardware products at the store.
At this point only a few days until we all know the truth but I chose to air on the side of caution as Apple is known for letting us down.
Belly-laughs
macrumors 6502a
Oh, and there´s one more thing...
Shame the hacker didnt´get info on the new 15,4" PB.
If the data proves to be right, maybe the 1,4GHz processor (that we were initially expecting) is in the updated 17" and the brand new 15,4".
It´s building up to become a keynote speach with a lot of expectations. I think they´ll be answered in full.
Oh, and there´s not only one more thing!
Shame the hacker didnt´get info on the new 15,4" PB.
If the data proves to be right, maybe the 1,4GHz processor (that we were initially expecting) is in the updated 17" and the brand new 15,4".
It´s building up to become a keynote speach with a lot of expectations. I think they´ll be answered in full.
Oh, and there´s not only one more thing!
Awimoway
macrumors 68000
Nor would I. It would behoove the site admins to keep a record of such poster's IP's fpr future reference.
...of course, they probably do, and that might account for at least a little of Arn's amazing intution.
The RAM seems so ridiculous that I fear this is fake (Apple legal's imposition tonight notwithstanding). --That, or Panther is going to really suck for people without recent hardware.
Okay, here are some bits of interest.
1) No information on SuperDrive/etc is listed on the iMac writeup on Apple's store, so the fact the PowerMac descriptions don't mention the drives either is meaningless.
2) Apple has removed the aquafied buttons on the store, making room for other design changes, so the style difference means nothing either. If someone were "hacking" their servers, don't you think they would have used the style there to add realism?
3) Apple has given a "no comment" on this issue, as reported on CNet's News.com here: http://news.com.com/2100-1042_3-1019444.html?tag=fd_top
4) MacRumors, ThinkSecret, and now CNet's News.com are taking this as fact.
I think we know the specifications.
1) No information on SuperDrive/etc is listed on the iMac writeup on Apple's store, so the fact the PowerMac descriptions don't mention the drives either is meaningless.
2) Apple has removed the aquafied buttons on the store, making room for other design changes, so the style difference means nothing either. If someone were "hacking" their servers, don't you think they would have used the style there to add realism?
3) Apple has given a "no comment" on this issue, as reported on CNet's News.com here: http://news.com.com/2100-1042_3-1019444.html?tag=fd_top
4) MacRumors, ThinkSecret, and now CNet's News.com are taking this as fact.
I think we know the specifications.
kylos
macrumors 6502a
Other various changes have been made to the Apple site recently, so I wouldn't put too much stock in the differences you noticed.
Oh, and if somebody successfully hacked the apple website I think they would make the best use of their efforts by scrawling profanities across the front page.
Oh, and if somebody successfully hacked the apple website I think they would make the best use of their efforts by scrawling profanities across the front page.
MacBandit
macrumors 604
Okay just to start off I think that the specs are at least close to correct and will think that way until next week and we know for sure. I'm not trying to argue this whole thing I'm just trying to be a voice of reason so here goes.
I tend to agree here it's just a headline spec sheet. If you want to know all the details they expect you to go to the hardware specifications which you should have already done in their oppinion if you are at this page ready to buy.
I would think they would use similar style and text too but the fact is that all the specs listings like this in the store for the Apple hardware use the exact same style not one of them differs one iota.
No comment means nothing. If Apple was hacked they wouldn't admit it. They have been holding themselves up as secure for years. Also some people mentioned this is the store and it would be extremely secure. This is just the store front not the transaction process which is encrypted.
I don't think MacRumors is holding this as fact they are simply pasing on this information I mean it is Mac Rumors and this is what they do after all. Anything they put down is a rumor or quite possibly fact but not actually fact unless Apple says so. Also just because everyone purports it as fact or simply posts it without saying fact or not doesn't make it true. It is news afterall. Do you believe everything on the 9 o'clock news? You shouldn't.
I tend to agree here it's just a headline spec sheet. If you want to know all the details they expect you to go to the hardware specifications which you should have already done in their oppinion if you are at this page ready to buy.
I would think they would use similar style and text too but the fact is that all the specs listings like this in the store for the Apple hardware use the exact same style not one of them differs one iota.
No comment means nothing. If Apple was hacked they wouldn't admit it. They have been holding themselves up as secure for years. Also some people mentioned this is the store and it would be extremely secure. This is just the store front not the transaction process which is encrypted.
I don't think MacRumors is holding this as fact they are simply pasing on this information I mean it is Mac Rumors and this is what they do after all. Anything they put down is a rumor or quite possibly fact but not actually fact unless Apple says so. Also just because everyone purports it as fact or simply posts it without saying fact or not doesn't make it true. It is news afterall. Do you believe everything on the 9 o'clock news? You shouldn't.
What if, they leaked info to see how high they can price them
Some one commented that they wouldn't put it past Steve too Leak info to get public reaction.
Well he knows we'll love it, so if that were true, the only reason I could see, was to guage just how much we love it, before they finalize pricing.
And wouldn't that blow, if they are all reading the posts, says, see, they love it, we can sell it for at least $500 more then the current models.
Anyhoo, if they are priced right, you better believe, I'm gonna be just dying to get one. But if they aren't priced right, better believe that I'll be passing on these with out giving it much thought.
Some one commented that they wouldn't put it past Steve too Leak info to get public reaction.
Well he knows we'll love it, so if that were true, the only reason I could see, was to guage just how much we love it, before they finalize pricing.
And wouldn't that blow, if they are all reading the posts, says, see, they love it, we can sell it for at least $500 more then the current models.
Anyhoo, if they are priced right, you better believe, I'm gonna be just dying to get one. But if they aren't priced right, better believe that I'll be passing on these with out giving it much thought.
It has nothing to do with believing what one site says, it has to do with multiple credible sources basically taking it as fact. I realize there are many possibilities, but there are just too many signs pointing to this being the truth. I've yet to see one good sign pointing to it being a "hack" or anything like that, and I truly believe someone simply messed up. I mean come on, it was on Apple's site, it wasn't posted in the gallery at Spymac or something.
Anyone can argue the most minor points trying to prove that this is false, but there are just too many signs pointing to this being the truth.
Anyone can argue the most minor points trying to prove that this is false, but there are just too many signs pointing to this being the truth.
G5 mockup pictures
check out these pictures:
http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?p=742#742
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check out these pictures:
http://www.sejus.com/earth2willi/forums/viewtopic.php?p=742#742
download some music or something while you are there!