This is a brilliant point, a lot of people take pictures using their iPhone's, there are still people who use digital cameras however but we now live in an age where the Cloud is taking over along with digital.
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Leaked Photos May Show Upcoming MacBook Pro's Top Case With Space for OLED Touch Panel, Four USB-C Ports
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This is a brilliant point, a lot of people take pictures using their iPhone's, there are still people who use digital cameras however but we now live in an age where the Cloud is taking over along with digital.
With 4 thunderbolt ports this laptop will have more bandwidth than any other laptop ever made, but Apple doesn't care about professionals you say?
This is the same reason Apple can't leave a 3.5mm jack on their phones, or include an adapter in the box during a transition phase, if they want wireless and digital audio to take off. Given a choice, customers will choose the least expensive, least effort, option. If Apple includes an adapter in the box, people will just keep plugging in their old headphones and complain about the adapter, and a year later the prices and quality of wireless and digital audio devices will be mostly the same, and then when Apple stops including the adapter people will just be outraged then.
If Apple left all of the legacy ports on the MBP, then where's the incentive for customers and manufacturers to get on the USB-C bandwagon?
And one more thing that has been of concern on this thread...MagSafe is NOT being dumped, if this patent is anything to go by
http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/31/apple-universal-magnetic-adapter-magsafe-patent/
I don't think it's just a gimmick. If there's a good SDK think of all that developers could do with it! Of course, for messaging etc. you could use it to display emojis (which is totally gimmicky, I admit), but you could also use it for quick video scrubbing without needing to navigate the mouse pointer to a handle, just slide along the touch bar. Edit brush sizes in drawing applications using sliders on the touch bar, while drawing on a graphics tablet with the other hand. (There will be tons of inventions for this, if it is open to developers.)
There will probably also be Touch ID integrated into the touch bar, maybe similar to iPhone into the power button, so we can finally get secure login in public places where you don't want to type out your passwords.
Few things.. You cling to the idea that if Apple do this, the market will follow and offer everything one could possible want, everything will be perfect, suddenly everyone will run around with USB'C thumbdrives etc..
I'm not saying that won't happen, but we are FAR from that. We are taking 5 years, at-least, in the meantime you will be frustrated with your mountain of adapters.
And if you want this shift to USB'C to happen, the market leaders would have to do the same thing, Dell, HP, Lenovo etc. Apple does not have a big enough piece of the market to really push new standards. Look at firewire, Thunderbold, Lightning etc..
I agree that USB'C is versatile and useful. But it's too soon to put all your chips in one bag. One day it will probably be the de-facto standard for all computing needs, but not today, not tomorrow.. This will be a computer before its time i'm afraid.
And just for the record, USB'3 is not legacy.. Just because its been on the market a few years does not make it old and obsolete.
You also mention an adapter that will do many things, sure, those exist and are useful. But the question remains, I should not have to buy an adapter to use a run-of-the-mill USB-drive in a professional grade machine.
In the back of my mind, I wonder if you somehow work for Apple, so convinced with you and your company's superiority in the market, that there is no question in your mind that everyone will follow your lead.
I'm not so sure.
Are you telling me that they can't fit both in? I'll admit, they still care a little bit about professionals- BUT - they sure do care more about selling the MBPs to college English majors that most certainly don't need the 4 lanes of thunderbolt bandwidth. They want the thinness.
I can assure you I don't work for Apple. I am just a user who actually uses Windows equipment for his job - including many legacy ports - we still use serial ports every day and have laptops running DOS that are in monthly use. But I get frustrated with the halfway implementation that the other manufacturers give new technologies, especially groundbreaking ones like these usb-c/thunderbolt ports. I recently purchased one of my coworkers a very nice Dell Precision 5000 laptop (basically the XPS 13 design scaled up to 15" and with more advanced components, like a 45w CPU). It has a single Thunderbolt/usb-c port, but you can't charge the darn thing from it! And with all the other ports alongside it, and the fact that they didn't release a Thunderbolt dock that was actually available for purchase when we bought the thing, he's using a usb-a docking station.
The reality is that usb-c is going to come very fast, and that the adapters that give 99% of users 99% of the connectivity they need already exist.
Nobody talked about the trackpad size, which is much bigger than the current one.
Maybe that mean support for Apple Pen using the trackpad as surface area?
Photoshoped comparing the new trackpad size:
The trackpad on the existing rMB is already much larger than those on the current MBP's. This is just bringing parity to the Pro line.
hum, didnt know that...
I thought about this patent Apple filled in 2014:
http://9to5mac.com/2016/05/19/apple-pencil-mac-trackpad-patent/
That is ok with the MacBook/MacBook Air line. We're talking an allegedly "Pro" device.
Full respect to you and your opinion. FWIW...
1. This is just a rumour, so all points of view are speculative.
2. Most people who buy MBPs aren't pros, in my experience. They are people who want the best Mac laptops available.
3. Most pros I do know don't want/use SD slots. The world has changed. Believe universal ports are far more useful, though appreciate that other people will disagree with me.
Well, it's not coming fast enough..
Giving users choice is not, and never will be, a bad thing. Adding one regular USB-3 port would not have made that big of a difference in the market adaptation of USB-C, but it would have made a difference to users.
You keep saying: Wow 4 Thunderbolts! Thats amazing, think of the bandwidth etc.. What you fail to grasp is that most thunderbolt devices today do not use the USB-C cable.. So you, the user, will need to buy an adapter, or a new cable..
Apple is disregarding their users to push a new standard, users invested in older standards they were pushing at the time, 1 year ago. (square-thunderbolt etc..)
In 3-5 years when a new connector comes out, no doubt you will be on your soap-box grandstanding about the awesomeness of that port, and how USB-C is "legacy" and this new amazing port will kick ass and all us naysayers can shove our crazy-old USB'C peripherals where the sun don't shine.
Good point, hopefully we see something like this on the new Macbook Pro's, altho the removal of the MagSafe won't be a deal breaker for me. I want to upgrade from my current 2011 Macbook Pro, it seems so old now altho it does still work i think the SSD, retina display and the new features that are rumoured will be more than a reason to upgrade! My 2011 Macbook Pro was my first Macbook/Mac and i have to say it has been a great laptop, much better than the Window's machines i had used before it.
Do you know how many professional musicians use MacBooks? Me either..but it's a lot. Yes, most have audio interfaces to plug their headphones into, but that port still gets used and it's still very much the standard in pro audio. I could see it getting replaced someday, but that's not happening right now.
If the the iPhone 7 uses the Lightning port for headphones, fine, new ear buds will be included. There's no guarantee that won't have its own backlash, but removing the headphone jack on a MacBook Pro and replacing it with a proprietary connection would definitely not go over well.
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I can't say that won't happen - but as an owner of both an iPad Pro with Pencil and the rMB, I can't say I see much use case for it. The new trackpad is bigger, but it's not that big an area to be effective for anything other than jotting down quick notes. Seems clunky to me.
USB-C will almost certainly last more than the next 5 years. It's designed with that specific intention. The usb-a port has lasted 20 years despite the fact that considerably less thought went into future-proofing it.
Again, going all-in on new technology is exactly what Apple has always done. If this doesn't work for you, I suggest you buy a Dell.
I guess we'll have to see what is unveiled, but some of those things you suggest could potentially be incorporated into the glass track pad that is already under utilized.
I dont agree. You replace technology with a solution that is better. i.e. the touch screen removing buttons. Removing ports that we use so we can continue to use technology via adapters is not the solution people want. Especially when the 'solution' is making us spend more money that we needn't have in the first place. $49 for an adapter?
the touch bar is different. my criticism is about replacing ports with adapters, going excessively thin too. I don't see people demanding thinner and less ports. And adapters aren't making people happy. People who don't use the ports could just ignore them.
i hope you don't think the new mac pro is 'genius'. If what you say is true about the port, then apple wouldn't need to include 4, 2 would be sufficient at most, and then they would be able to keep other ports that people wouldn't have to buy an adapter for.
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nope its not about the touch panel. Im open to the touch panel, along as it truly brings something to the table that we wouldn't want to lose after using it.
So we're expected to gimp a device for its intended purpose because some people don't use it for its intended purpose?
I get that Apple loves killing legacy hardware, but for a pro device, this is just going from one port that nobody uses to 4 ports that nobody uses.
My rMBP has 2 Tbolt, 2 USB3, HDMI, SD, and Magsafe. This new machine is going from 7 input devices down to 4.
I'm glad I bought my machine last year when I did; means I don't have to deal with the adoption curve for the next few years. By the time I'm ready to upgrade, I imagine USBc with be the universal standard and we'll be burning piles of SD cards in the public square.
USB-C is a huge improvement over what we have now. You can now dock via a single cable or connect any peripheral you can imagine from power to multiple 4k displays to a Thunderbolt RAID array. The fact that you need to carry a 1oz. adapter is meaningless in the larger scheme of things when we are replacing a whole bunch of ports whose limitations we are constantly working around (usb-a doesn't carry enough power, HDMI doesn't carry enough bandwidth, etc.)
I am totally against replacing a port when it doesn't make sense - you can find my posts all over the threads about removing the audio jack from the iPhone because in that case there truly is no advantage that outweighs what is lost. But in this case, this is classic Apple. Move forward with a demonstrably better technology without holding on to the old standards because doing so would prevent the necessary progress.
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That's because a single one of the new ports can provide ALL of those connections.
I will continue to buy Apple computers for the sake of OSX. All I'm saying is choice is never a bad thing. You want to push change in a market that's not yet ready. USB'C will take over eventually, I do believe that. But comparing this to Apple's standard pushing of new technology and change is incorrect. They did not release a computer back in the day with 4 firewire ports and nothing else, or 4 thunderbolts for that matter. 5 years from now this will probably be a perfect computer, but we don't live in that time, and when that time comes, this machine will be obsolete.
You might say that if the don't build this machine now, the change won't happen, could be true - who knows..
It's seems clear that we can agree to disagree.
You prefer to push change at the cost of user convenience in a market not ready, I say chill, change will happen over time, no need to rush.
I might buy this computer, who knows, it's probably shiny an all. But that does not mean I agree with the business decision made here.
Elon Musk did not wait for someone else to build charging-stations, he knew they were essential for market acceptance so he built them himself.. Not exactly the same thing, but close enough..
With just one or two super-convenient dongles and adapters. Gonna have to carry those with you everywhere.
REduction in ports doesn;t reduce the (current) need for those ports. It's not like I can walk into my client's office and say "Oh, you guys don't have USBc everything? That's ok, I can come back later."
Perhaps someone should tell Apple that a feature (USB-C) isn't a feature if you have to pay more (dongles) to use it.
To all those who ask why they should pay for ports they don't use, I ask:
--When was the last time Apple reduced its price after removing ports?
--Are you really going to use 4 USB-C ports (without adapters)? If not, you are still paying for ports you won't use. If you have to buy adapters, you are paying to use ports you don't have (via adapters) and you are paying for ports you don't use natively (USB-C).
To all those who ask why they should pay for ports they don't use, I ask:
--When was the last time Apple reduced its price after removing ports?
--Are you really going to use 4 USB-C ports (without adapters)? If not, you are still paying for ports you won't use. If you have to buy adapters, you are paying to use ports you don't have (via adapters) and you are paying for ports you don't use natively (USB-C).
Source would be internal stats Apple collects from user data.
Yes the port is thinner than USB but internally it takes up more room than 2 USB ports, requires extra hardware, and extra expense.
If the vast majority of users aren't making use of the SD slot, why burden everyone with it? You're arguing for adding a feature that most won't user at the cost of additional price, additional potential for breakdown, additional battery usage, lessened battery capacity, added weight and more.