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I'm sure there will be millions of people who will buy whatever Apple releases. If profit margins are high enough and they sell millions of dollars worth of dongles, the stockholders will be happy and that's what Tim really cares about IMHO.
 
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If you buy Apple you normally live in the future and if you need something from the past you get an adaptor until the rest of the world catches up then people wonder what the fuss was about.

It happened with Serial/COMM ports being removed and only having USB, removal of the floppy drive, removal of the DVD/CD drive, and the new Macbook being USB C only with 1 port.

At home i don't us a HDMI port on my Macbook Pro , i Airplay.
I don't use ethernet adaptor as my wireless is great fast Wireless AC.
I don't use USB pen drives i Airdrop to my mates or it goes in Dropbox and shared over the internet.
I take photos on my iPhone and they just appear on my Mac and iPad via iCloud drive.

I have very little to cling onto old tech wise. Its obvious what direction things are going. I get some people still need or like the existing things but if things never changed we would still be connecting to printers via parallel cables. We are just going through one of those transition stages again and they can be painful for some people but if we looked at this thread in 10 years time we would think is the fuss about?
 
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That's not how it will work, unless you make the silly decision of setting it up that way.
Thats exactly how it is setup 70% of the time (when I am home or in the office), then I use the MBP in a clamshell mode and currently I only use 1 adapter, that is the TB to Ethernet adapter. Everything else I can plug in directly!

With your solution I will end up buying an adapter for everything which adds up to the cost and/or inconvenience, since it will take a couple of years until most tech will have USB-C ports.
Even if I buy a docking station, they cost around US$ 200-300 and I will need to buy two of them (1 for the office and the other for at home) and on top of that I will still end up replacing all my 3 magsafe power bricks since they are not compatible anymore (so add another 2 x US$ 80).
To top things off, even with docking stations, I will need to buy atleast a USB-C to HDMI adapter and USB-C to Ethernet adapter for when I am on the road or traveling and not taking my docking station along. So add another US$ 100 for that...

So I will end up paying next to the new MBP itself, which I guess the desirable model will go for around US$ 1500-2000, I will need to pay an extra US$ 800 atleast in accessories just to make the new MBP work in my productive environment.

That is the biggest reason while I will hold off at the beginning and atleast wait a year to see if other manufacturers are willing to change their products as well to USB-C to push it, so that it will become the new industry standard quickly. At the moment USB-C is still very much a niche!
 
It's not ideal, for pros or consumers. In fact, it is far from ideal and that's the problem. How do you explain to the average person that he/she needs to spend at least $50 more and needs to carry around a dongle just to use a simple USB drive
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"At least $50" for a USBC to USB adapter?
LOL
They cost $1.99 on eBay with delivery.

I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate!!
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Bingo. Think about this for a moment: the ubiquitous thumb drive. Those are everywhere and have become the go-to standard for saving off photos, music, and generally exchanging files. You will not be able to plug a thumb drive into Apple's Flagship Laptop without some stupid adapter that will crimp and fail after 3 months, from over-use, if you don't lose it by then.

That is just ridiculous. There is simply no good reason for this. Period.

There is a good reason. In fact there are many. The USBC ports are way more flexible and powerful than the old USB ports. Smaller. Bigger bandwidth. Connects to ANYTHING not just a thumbdrive.

Buy a $1.99 adapter or next thumbdrive you buy can be one of the double ended ones with USBC and legacy USB.
 

"At least $50" for a USBC to USB adapter?
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They cost $1.99 on eBay with delivery.

I've told you a million times, don't exaggerate!!
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There is a good reason. In fact there are many. The USBC ports are way more flexible and powerful than the old USB ports. Smaller. Bigger bandwidth. Connects to ANYTHING not just a thumbdrive.

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Are these adapters from the Chinese gray market? I am not being sarcastic; I would like to know. I have had bad experiences with unbranded third party adapters in the past.

I am concerned about whether such adapters could potentially damage a computer and I am curious whether they function to their full capacity (eg full USB 3 speeds--I have some fast thumb drives).

I have not checked prices on adapters but I wonder about the pricing with the USB-C/TB combo, so please forgive my overstatement. (I was thinking of TB adapters.) Still, I don't think many people will take kindly to plugging a thumb drive or mouse transmitter into an adapter which will dangle out the side.
 
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Please do tell me where to purchase this all-in-one cable. Actually, you will need an expensive dock or multiple adapters just to perform the same functions you can do today without the added expense or bulk.

It's not ideal, for pros or consumers. In fact, it is far from ideal and that's the problem. How do you explain to the average person that he/she needs to spend at least $50 more and needs to carry around a dongle just to use a simple USB drive?
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Ummmm, as stated in my post, I will buy a dock for the desktop setup at work. There's one cable that then plugs into the MacBook.

Please explain to me when the average user needs to plug in a usb drive. Five years ago it was common, but I don't know why anyone needs to much these days.
 
Ummmm, as stated in my post, I will buy a dock for the desktop setup at work. There's one cable that then plugs into the MacBook.

Please explain to me when the average user needs to plug in a usb drive. Five years ago it was common, but I don't know why anyone needs to much these days.

It happened fairly frequently when I was working in areas without reliable wifi networks in remote locations and if I want to bring something I want to share with friends who don't have the fastest wifi it's been the most helpful.

Ethernet too has been just effective for troubleshooting wifi since these spots aren't exactly the most desk friendly.
 
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Yes but it is easier to understand the function of a key when it clearly indicates that function.

One of the reason why semi-pro people often complain about pro applications is because they have trouble remembering key combinations or function keys.

Yes, I encounter that issue myself. I see, so, the intention would be that the bar would display icons for functions for the particular application being used e.g. if I'm in Capture One Pro (photo editor) it would have a crop symbol and a loupe symbol etc . I can see how that would be handy.
 
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There, you said it yourself. So you don't care about an adapter/reader for your CF card, but do so for the SD? Strange, indeed.

My 7D Mark 1 only has CF, so does my 40D. I prefer this over SD any time. Also, our audio equipment (working in acoustics) uses CF to record to .... there are more 'pro' usages than just photography, you know.
It's funny that you're poo-pooing SD cards when they've got a much brighter future than CF. CF is dead going forward. Only Canikon are trying to keep them alive, but most are going to XQD anyway which is superior to CF. Anyways, I use both in my D810, but guess what, since I don't like to carry dongles, I use the SD card for reading into my rMBP 15. The CF card is just there for back just in case SD card fails (which hasn't happened after 50,000+ RAW files)
 
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Guess what, you're not the only person on Earth and there are people whose hand won't evolve bigger anytime soon. Don't assume just because you're fine with a particular design, everybody else is.

I prefer a smaller MBP (I LOVE my Air), and yes, for ME, the current rMBP is still too thick/heavy. And I very much prefer the tapered design.

Cool story bro
 
Bingo. Think about this for a moment: the ubiquitous thumb drive. Those are everywhere and have become the go-to standard for saving off photos, music, and generally exchanging files. You will not be able to plug a thumb drive into Apple's Flagship Laptop without some stupid adapter that will crimp and fail after 3 months, from over-use, if you don't lose it by then.

That is just ridiculous. There is simply no good reason for this. Period.

You will not be able to plug a floppy disk into Apple's Flagship Laptop
 
Okay, at the risk of being eviscerated (and not directed specifically at you, maclaw21, but rather open for discussion to everyone who has commented on the lack of MagSafe), when was the last time your Macbook was really in danger of the power-cord-stuck-to-the-computer-when-someone-walks-by-thereby-pulling-the-machine-off-the-table accident? Seriously.
Honestly, it's not really (primarily) the computer being knocked off the table that the MagSafe protects, but rather the fact that any kind of sudden pull on the cable will, before very long, damage either the cable or the port. Having worked in Mac service/repair back in the day before MagSafe, I remember very clearly the alarming number of damaged ports that would come in, from people tripping over the cable. On some of those machines, the port was soldered into the logic board, so the repair could be several hundred dollars... Not good. And you can be certain that the likelihood of Apple using a daughter card for the AC board on these ultra-slim machines is zero. So, no MagSafe = more broken ports = more logic board replacements. Getting rid of MagSafe is idiotic, imho. Maybe they'll engineer a MagSafe-like solution on the cable. Who knows?...
 
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I see it as exactly the opposite. This is a classic case of Apple leading consumers to a better place that they don't even know they wanted to go to. Going all-in on usb-c/thunderbolt is genius, and people will realize this in the not to distant future. The capabilities of a single one of these ports is so great that the vast majority of users are never going to use the other 3. Apple is just going overkill with FOUR thunderbolt ports to drive home the point that this is still a PRO machine.

If they listened to users we'd have legacy ports hanging on for years after they were outdated, radically slowing the adoption of new technologies, slowing down innovation greatly.

You hit the nail on the head. As an example the MBP would still have a RGB port because all professional projectors still use that port as some claim here.
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Apple don't bundle any adapters with their products, never have, never will...

Strange, my Mac mini came with a number of adapters. You seem to be wrong.
 
Okay, I was finger wagging.

The thing is...I don't see very many people here (if any) cheering on this potential, new MBP that you feel is less than what it should be. The overwhelming amount of posts here are filled with criticisms of what they think the next MacBook Pro is going to offer, or rather not offer. The overall vibe is resoundingly negative. Almost everyone is extremely upset for some reason, whether it be about the lack of ports, or the omission of MagSafe, or the fact that it is probably going to be thinner, or they are unhappy about the OLED touch bar that they feel will be gimmicky, or they are unhappy about the very real chance of no dGPU, etc. Overall, I really don't see much cheering going on to be honest.

Apple is building this machine for consumers, because that's who actually buy the vast majority of these machines, and not professionals. For instance, I just graduated college at the end of December, and nearly every student had a 13" rMBP despite the fact that they were not professionals. If you go to the Apple Store and see the sessions at the store where they teach people about their computers, you'll see all of these people with 13" rMBP's who know nothing about computers (ergo, not pros) learning how to use their machines. I don't think that these people will be extremely inconvenienced or feel like they are getting less. When push comes to shove, the MacRumors target audience is not really the target of the MBP anymore.

I don't think you would like my arguments that I could make about why it might make sense for a laptop that costs over $2000 to offer less ports. However, I will certainly try and give you one. For instance, a 2016 MBP with USB-C only could be more future proof and provide more utility in the long run than one that offers other ports. Sure, it might be inconveniencing today, but what about tomorrow? Lots of people keep their Macs for 3-5 years. If they included less USB-C in exchange for USB-A, HDMI, mDP, then in three years when you have more up-to-date peripherals, those old ports might be useless to you and you might wish you had more USB-C. In two to three years, I might be connecting to an external display via Thunderbolt 3 and have flash drives and external hard drives that connect via USB-C. In my life, most of my technology is getting old and I am looking to replace it with the most cutting edge things. I would much rather buy an adapter and deal with the inconvenience at first. That way, I can get it out of the way and have things work out better in the long run when I replace my old, aging USB 2 external hard drive with one that connects via USB-C. Others may be different, but I am always looking out years in advance, and in my opinion, it makes more sense to buy a MBP with a much more versatile, modern USB-C. There is a transition involved here as the industry switches to USB-C, and it's possible that Apple is doing what they can to provide a better user experience.

I don't think that Apple knows best. In fact, take a look at the "Apple Made Me Buy A Windows HP Workstation" in the Mac Pro forum and see my replies to a guy who switched to Windows. You'll see that I think Apple makes asinine decisions and applaud his decision. When it comes to the MBP, however, I was just trying to look at things from Apple's perspective, which is important as they are ones who have all of the control. I think that Apple believes that the overwhelming majority of their notebook consumers do not use HDMI or the SD card reader (and they are probably correct), which is why they feel comfortable removing them from the machine. I don't see this particular decision as a money grab.

I subject myself to the complaining because I've been coming here to read and talk about Apple products for almost eight years now, and it's not easy for me to just up and leave, no matter how much I dislike the current atmosphere.

A Nice reply.
I do differ in my opinion on a couple of items but u make your case very eloquently and I agree with most.
I would disagree that only professionals use use a pro machine. To me (at least) a professional laptop is one that is designed to work in a professional environment. While a lightly built consumer machine may be used a couple of hours a day a professional one would be expected to be used for 8 hours a day 5 days a week; be able to withstand the daily rigours of being manhandled into a bag everyday for commute to work or for regular trips to conference rooms; have superior strength keyboards that can take aggressive typing of angry emailer or just repeated typing of the same keys on some applications (by someone who probably didn't pay for the thing); have connector options for different displays, projectors, USB sticks, and multiple peripherals; work all day at full pelt without heat or throttling issues; have larger than usual ram and hd options; graphics cards for pro applications such as openGL etc; handle high resolutions, have color accurate screens etc.
While not everyone will need or want all those, anyone should be able to buy a Pro machine with all those or at least option to select. While a 13 inch Pro will have some comprises, the 15" model shouldrnt compromise at all.

Looking at other lightweight laptops from Dell or msi etc, I can see comparable models with 1 USB-C, 3 USB3, power, HDMI, mDP, SD slot, audio in and out, 4K screen, nvidia graphics, network socket, number pad, all within the same size and weight 2kg of a current macbook pro.
As Apple use the same chips and motherboards as everyone else I don't see why Apple doesn't just reduce footprint, the bezel around the screen, and have 3 ubc-c ad 1 USB3 and job done.
My two cents.
 
Quite disappointed with the idea of replacing th Fn keys by an OLED touch strip. You want to be able to control things like volume and brightness without having to look at the touch panel...Same goes for the Escape key.

This would have been much more interesting if Apple used individual physical OLED keys like Art Lebedev. Then they would be offering the best of both worlds, the comfort of physical keys with the ability to dynamically customize each key using OLED.



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Quite disappointed with the idea of replacing th Fn keys by an OLED touch strip. You want to be able to control things like volume and brightness without having to look at the touch panel...Same goes for the Escape key.

This would have been much more interesting if Apple used individual physical OLED keys like Art Lebedev. Then they would be offering the best of both worlds, the comfort of physical keys with the ability to dynamically customize each key using OLED.



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That looks great, and I fully agree with your comment. Alternatively the OLED strip in addition to the function keys would work for me.
 
If u need a HDMI cable for a conference projector or desk display / monitor, a HDMI cable will already be there. An adapter will not.
 
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I'll be honest, the only Function key I use on a Mac is F1, and for that i hold fn.

Perhaps others differ, but maybe in a lot of ways the function keys are actually dead.

The main reasons i use function keys is for brightness, keyboard bightness, volume, and mute.
 
If you buy Apple you normally live in the future and if you need something from the past you get an adaptor until the rest of the world catches up then people wonder what the fuss was about.
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I have very little to cling onto old tech wise. Its obvious what direction things are going. I get some people still need or like the existing things but if things never changed we would still be connecting to printers via parallel cables. We are just going through one of those transition stages again and they can be painful for some people but if we looked at this thread in 10 years time we would think is the fuss about?

I live in the present. In the present regular USB is everywhere.

If indeed the new MBP has only USB-C, then as is, out of the box, connectivity will be next to useless. Since an adapter will be mandatory, it should still just be there built in.

Apple is constantly making their devices smaller/thinner, then forcing users to add connectors that will add more bulk back in than they took out. My current MBP will actually take up less space than this new one because it does not need a number of connectors carried at all times.

Today I was in an office and needed to print something. Their wireless printer was having trouble but they had that old outdated technology (a USB cable) which I connected to my current MBP and I was able to print. This new MBP would have been unable to do that task by itself.
 
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