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I really hope that OLED bar is programmable
As long as it just binds to the F keys, it already is. (They just need a framework for iconography)

OSX apps, unlike Windows and Linux apps - are just extremely poor at using them. The absolutely ancient "F5 refresh" meme doesn't work on Safari, for example.
 
Thats exactly how it is setup 70% of the time (when I am home or in the office), then I use the MBP in a clamshell mode and currently I only use 1 adapter, that is the TB to Ethernet adapter. Everything else I can plug in directly!

With your solution I will end up buying an adapter for everything which adds up to the cost and/or inconvenience, since it will take a couple of years until most tech will have USB-C ports.
Even if I buy a docking station, they cost around US$ 200-300 and I will need to buy two of them (1 for the office and the other for at home) and on top of that I will still end up replacing all my 3 magsafe power bricks since they are not compatible anymore (so add another 2 x US$ 80).
To top things off, even with docking stations, I will need to buy atleast a USB-C to HDMI adapter and USB-C to Ethernet adapter for when I am on the road or traveling and not taking my docking station along. So add another US$ 100 for that...

So I will end up paying next to the new MBP itself, which I guess the desirable model will go for around US$ 1500-2000, I will need to pay an extra US$ 800 atleast in accessories just to make the new MBP work in my productive environment.

That is the biggest reason while I will hold off at the beginning and atleast wait a year to see if other manufacturers are willing to change their products as well to USB-C to push it, so that it will become the new industry standard quickly. At the moment USB-C is still very much a niche!

Every computer manufacturer changes power bricks and dock designs every 4 years or so and we have to buy all new ones for our users at great cost. Apple has made most of their accessories and bricks cross compatible for longer than that, so I don't count that against them at all. Again, you will need to buy one 1oz adapter that will give you the connectivity you claim you are losing. Lots of people carried around much heavier external dvd drives once those were removed (and I recall that most seemed to use them a lot less than they thought they would). People will adapt and get over it.

Apple has always been this aggressive when adopting new technology folks. You can't both want them to be the Apple you know and love while at the same time dragging out the adoption of new technology like the PC manufacturers do. They would cease to be Apple and end up being just another Dell or Lenovo. Maybe those companies that do follow this slow and steady strategy would be a better fit for you.
 
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How awkward would it look if they moved the USB-C ports on the left side all the way up to the end, but left the ones on the right side where they are? It's called symmetry.
The current MacBook Pro lineup is not symmetrical in terms of USB ports, either, so why should the do that now?
How awkward does it look like this, if the USB-C ports are somewhere near the middle and totally unbalanced meaningless space on both sides?
I wonder, how you are able to see both sides of the device at once, though.
 
MagSafe never really served much function. I never had the cord for any of my devices yanked that way.

I've had it save my butt a few times, and the ease of use connecting it is the real winner for me.

Lots of time saved plugging and unplugging over time with the single connecter you are gonna use the most on a laptop.
 
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The current MacBook Pro lineup is not symmetrical in terms of USB ports, either, so why should the do that now?
How awkward does it look like this, if the USB-C ports are somewhere near the middle and totally unbalanced meaningless space on both sides?
I wonder, how you are able to see both sides of the device at once, though.

It more likely has to do with the location of the Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt card in the chassis. There is very little allowance for moving the ports any distance away from that card.
 
Today I was in an office and needed to print something. Their wireless printer was having trouble but they had that old outdated technology (a USB cable) which I connected to my current MBP and I was able to print. This new MBP would have been unable to do that task by itself.

Any office that doesn't have one USB A to USB-C cable within a years time will truly be outdated. It that particular case, and in most typical use cases I can imagine, the one single most common problem will be the shape of the connector needed to attach a USB cable from a device to your MacBook.

On my desk now I'm looking at exactly 9 different types of connectors that require proprietary USB cables -- USB A, USB B, USB 3, USB-C, USB micro A, USB mini A, USB micro B, USB mini B, USB micro 3 super speed. I am solely responsible for making sure I have those cables when I travel with those devices. And those are all common industry standard devices! Your situation is easy -- the worst case scenario here is that you travel with a simple USB A to USB C adapter to slap on the end of any USB A cable you might find in the wild. Maybe get yourself a bag full of them just in case you're the forgetful type. Maybe to protect yourself you get a USB-C to USB-A charging cable with an A/C adapter on the end so you always have it, since you always have to have that cable.

It's not like you're talking about 30-pin to Lightning here. Or FireWire 800 to 400. Or Thunderbolt to anything. Or MagSafe to ... Nothing else at all. All you're talking about is the shape of the connector on a cable on what are two USB standards. You might as well complain about MagSafe. At least with USB-C if you forget your charging brick and cable, there's a good chance someone else will have one that's compatible with your Mac now, which was certainly not the case when MagSafe first came out, nor in most corporate office environments today.
 
Seeing as USB-C supports power and data, why not have a couple of the ports on the power supply? That way, you could shrink the Mac as much as possible for maximum portability/minimal weight, but retain common connectivity, for when you are back in the office, hotel or place of business.

When I was travelling for work a lot, the main things I needed were;
* USB Port for connecting a local 3G dongle
* USB port for transferring software patches
* VGA out for presentantions/tutorials (or for watching movies on hotel TV's)
* SD Card reader for backing up and uploading pictures from my camera

Now, I appreciate there are always workarounds for these 'issues' but I thought that that was the ethos behind Apple, is that the solutions were more elegant. I've never found that.

My friend has just agonised over which Macbook to buy, the Air or new Macbook, he ended up buying a new Pro :) (he wanted the Retina screen) as Apple don't offer a genuine SD card reader (he is a photographer/journalist) and uses SD cards. But obviously, there is a compromise over the weight.
 
You will not be able to plug a floppy disk into Apple's Flagship Laptop
HAHAHAAHHAHA ohhhh ... you kill me. So witty.

So I'm some dark-ages one-off weirdo for still using thumb drives? Okay.

Every desktop maker continued to put floppy drives, especially 3.5" drives, into their PCs for YEARS after the floppy was "dead" or dying. Why? Sure, because they were cheap and every desktop had the space. But also because there were millions of people still with stacks of floppies. Even laptops kept them going. It's called phasing out. Not cliff jumping.

We don't all have the time or money to spin all our tech on a dime the moment Apple tells us to.

Cloud, cloud, cloud. Yes, yes. That's fine. I've actually been a Dropbox user for years. It has its place. I still also have a hefty investment in high capacity USB-2 and USB-3 thumb drives and hard drives. Cuz, you know, I'm a technology geek. The type who buys expensive laptops like the Pro. Sorry, cloud fanboy, but you're not the only demographic here.
 
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USB-C can do the job

You mean, a bag full of dongles can do the job?
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Thunderbolt 3 uses the USB-C connector. If they drop the native displayport, I assume you can use a USB to DisplayPort adapter (which will be a $30 accessory)

And a USB to hdmi adapter for projectors. And usb to usb-a adapter for memory sticks. and usb to sd card adapter for sd cards. And usb to more usb when you immediately run out of places to plug in even more dongles. I'll name the new Macbook 'hedgehog'.
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I really don't understand how so many of you are upset (or surprised) that they are going with all TB3 setup, it's better in all ways. The only loss is MagSafe but I'll be buying the break safe from griffin so not really worried about it.

Wrong. The only loss is your bag space. In the future you'll be carrying even more dongles around, making that 13" macbook pro take up more actual space than a 17" HP Zbook and weighing as much. Progress, you say? Future, you say? You can have your future and eat it. With dongles.
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Many people on here are complaining about no MagSafe, yet at the same time so many people have also complained over the years that MagSafe has existed that the connectors are unreliable and fail too easily. So which one do you want...do you want MagSafe and the issues there have been with those connectors, or do you want a different power solution that could potentially be more resilient? What's so great about MagSafe anyway that makes such a deal breaker for so many of you?

Put in an USB-C cable in your machine, connect the other end to something that will stay put (like a wall wart) and then go and kick the the cable. Go buy a new computer and consider the benefits of MagSafe. With luck you'll only break the port, with less you just lost everything you hadn't backed up.

Clueless people whine about MagSafe. Everyone else knows it'll stay put just as well as pretty much any other charging cable but the benefit is that in an accident you won't destroy your computer. No matter whether the person walking into your charging cable is a colleague, dog a toddler or a stampeding elephant.
 
You hit the nail on the head. As an example the MBP would still have a RGB port because all professional projectors still use that port as some claim here.
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Strange, my Mac mini came with a number of adapters. You seem to be wrong.

Oh really, didn't know that. I was wrong, fair play
 
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Go to the apple store and ask for a Macbook Pro 13 2012 with super drive. They keep selling it. At least I've seen them till holiday season in many stores the USA
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Exactly!

you still don't get it?!? their former flagship MBP 15" are not for sale, they have not done like this before, they don't do it now and I don't think they will do it in the future either.
 
HAHAHAAHHAHA ohhhh ... you kill me. So witty.

So I'm some dark-ages one-off weirdo for still using thumb drives? Okay.

Every desktop maker continued to put floppy drives, especially 3.5" drives, into their PCs for YEARS after the floppy was "dead" or dying. Why? Sure, because they were cheap and every desktop had the space. But also because there were millions of people still with stacks of floppies. Even laptops kept them going. It's called phasing out. Not cliff jumping.

We don't all have the time or money to spin all our tech on a dime the moment Apple tells us to.

Cloud, cloud, cloud. Yes, yes. That's fine. I've actually been a Dropbox user for years. It has its place. I still also have a hefty investment in high capacity USB-2 and USB-3 thumb drives and hard drives. Cuz, you know, I'm a technology geek. The type who buys expensive laptops like the Pro. Sorry, cloud fanboy, but you're not the only demographic here.

The point I was trying to make is that this is the conversation that happens every single time a technology is dropped in favor of something newer. Does it suck that you will need adapters for everything you had? probably. But Apple has historically seen fit to use their influence to force the technology forward. People scoffed when they removed disk drives, compact, zip, and floppy. They always seem to be able to influence the outcome though. And you even point out that desktop models continue to carry the old tech. who is to say that won't happen here, because history is on your side of the argument that it will stay.
 
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You mean, a bag full of dongles can do the job?
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And a USB to hdmi adapter for projectors. And usb to usb-a adapter for memory sticks. and usb to sd card adapter for sd cards. And usb to more usb when you immediately run out of places to plug in even more dongles. I'll name the new Macbook 'hedgehog'.
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Wrong. The only loss is your bag space. In the future you'll be carrying even more dongles around, making that 13" macbook pro take up more actual space than a 17" HP Zbook and weighing as much. Progress, you say? Future, you say? You can have your future and eat it. With dongles.
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Put in an USB-C cable in your machine, connect the other end to something that will stay put (like a wall wart) and then go and kick the the cable. Go buy a new computer and consider the benefits of MagSafe. With luck you'll only break the port, with less you just lost everything you hadn't backed up.

Clueless people whine about MagSafe. Everyone else knows it'll stay put just as well as pretty much any other charging cable but the benefit is that in an accident you won't destroy your computer. No matter whether the person walking into your charging cable is a colleague, dog a toddler or a stampeding elephant.
Somebody hates USB-C :cool:
I don't know about you but I have several dongles for the mini DVI to HDMI and VGA and ready to move on to a more powerful port and AirPlay.
I stopped using USB-A a while ago. I never used the SD slot. Ethernet is in a rarely only when my routers fail. Everything from external storage to iOS devices are transferring data through my new wireless router setup with excellent speed.
So basically the ports in my current MacBook is collecting lots of dust.
 
A new thinner MacBook Pro and only 4 USB-C ports??? Please tell me this isn't the actual design! Pro users invest a lot of money in peripherals and hard disks, only to be faced with expensive adapter purchases when Apple decide to remove/change ports. I cannot and will not keep spending money just to try to get all my peripherals and hard disks working with whatever ports Apple deems adequate on their expensive pro laptop. All this hassle just because Apple are obsessed with making their devices thinner. The loss of the ethernet port was joke and if the SD card slot goes this time too, that will be the final straw! I also hope the thinner design doesn't bring with it the overheating problems that have plagued Mac laptops over the years.
 
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A new thinner MacBook Pro and only 4 USB-C ports??? Please tell me this isn't the actual design! Pro users invest a lot of money in peripherals and hard disks, only to be faced with expensive adapter purchases when Apple decide to remove/change ports. I cannot and will not keep spending money just to try to get all my peripherals and hard disks working with whatever ports Apple deems adequate on their expensive pro laptop. All this hassle just because Apple are obsessed with making their devices thinner. The loss of the ethernet port was joke and if the SD card slot goes this time too, that will be the final straw!

i would have expected at least 6 ports. going from 8 to 4 is a bit extreme[/QUOT`

Considering that just one of the new ports has nearly as much bandwidth as all of the ports on the existing model, if anything it's a bit overkill!
 
You mean, a bag full of dongles can do the job?
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And a USB to hdmi adapter for projectors. And usb to usb-a adapter for memory sticks. and usb to sd card adapter for sd cards. And usb to more usb when you immediately run out of places to plug in even more dongles. I'll name the new Macbook 'hedgehog'.
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Wrong. The only loss is your bag space. In the future you'll be carrying even more dongles around, making that 13" macbook pro take up more actual space than a 17" HP Zbook and weighing as much. Progress, you say? Future, you say? You can have your future and eat it. With dongles.
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Put in an USB-C cable in your machine, connect the other end to something that will stay put (like a wall wart) and then go and kick the the cable. Go buy a new computer and consider the benefits of MagSafe. With luck you'll only break the port, with less you just lost everything you hadn't backed up.

Clueless people whine about MagSafe. Everyone else knows it'll stay put just as well as pretty much any other charging cable but the benefit is that in an accident you won't destroy your computer. No matter whether the person walking into your charging cable is a colleague, dog a toddler or a stampeding elephant.

Having lived with an rMB for over a year now, I really wonder where all your anger is coming from. I have LESS dongles now than when I was using my MBA as my primary work machine. With the rMB, I only have one, a tidy 3 USB-A + 1 Ethernet + 1 HDMI. It's so close to the same size as my old Apple TB to Ethernet dongle as doesn't make any difference. When at my own desk, I charge directly from one of the USB-A ports, and have two left over for general use. I have used the dongle twice while on the move, once to print while out at a client, and once to connect to another clients secure LAN.

USB-C peripherals are already numerous. You can get USB-C thumb drives everywhere, lots of the no larger than your thumbnail, there are even lots of smart designs that have both A and C. USB-C monitors have also started to show up on the market in the last few months.

As for MagSafe, the idea is that with all new MacBooks have all day battery life, they aren't being designed anymore to be tethered all the time while in use. The need to be plugged in while at a coffee shop, in a meeting, or anywhere away from your main work desk/location has been drastically diminished. I can't remember the last time I needed a charge outside of my nightly routine. It's become like my routine for charging my iPad and iPhone. That's the reasoning behind the phasing out of MagSafe. If Apple still sold laptops with maximum 3-5 hours battery life, they definitely would be keeping MagSafe around. But 10 hours is going to be the minimum from now, so MagSafe becomes much less of a "thing." You're probably still tethered to a charger out of habit, or you own an older generation MBP that doesn't have the improved battery life. In either case the indignant argument you are making just fades away.

Of course this is my use case - yours may be different. But you can't have it both ways. Either Apple innovates and is a leader in bringing new technologies to the market, as they have traditionally done, or they stop being that company and officially lose their way.

If those 4 ports are all fully functional TB3/USB-C ports, the potential connectivity is exponentially greater than anything Apple is selling now, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about that. If you're angry about your existing USB-A and TB2 stuff not working anymore, then I'm sorry. There are also little A-C adopters that aren't expensive and about the size of a stick of Trident you can get.
 
you still don't get it?!? their former flagship MBP 15" are not for sale, they have not done like this before, they don't do it now and I don't think they will do it in the future either.

The fact is, they still offer the 13" model. Despite costing more, I believe the 13" MBP is and always has been the most popular model. That said, you stated they didn't sell the older model alongside the newer at all -- yet they do. Just because they haven't sold the 15" before, doesn't mean they won't in the future. And the fact the port change is so radical suggests they might very well do something differently this time around. You're simply spreading FUD.
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You mean, a bag full of dongles can do the job?
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And a USB to hdmi adapter for projectors. And usb to usb-a adapter for memory sticks. and usb to sd card adapter for sd cards. And usb to more usb when you immediately run out of places to plug in even more dongles. I'll name the new Macbook 'hedgehog'.
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Wrong. The only loss is your bag space. In the future you'll be carrying even more dongles around, making that 13" macbook pro take up more actual space than a 17" HP Zbook and weighing as much. Progress, you say? Future, you say? You can have your future and eat it. With dongles.
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Put in an USB-C cable in your machine, connect the other end to something that will stay put (like a wall wart) and then go and kick the the cable. Go buy a new computer and consider the benefits of MagSafe. With luck you'll only break the port, with less you just lost everything you hadn't backed up.

Clueless people whine about MagSafe. Everyone else knows it'll stay put just as well as pretty much any other charging cable but the benefit is that in an accident you won't destroy your computer. No matter whether the person walking into your charging cable is a colleague, dog a toddler or a stampeding elephant.
Having lived with an rMB for over a year now, I really wonder where all your anger is coming from. I have LESS dongles now than when I was using my MBA as my primary work machine. With the rMB, I only have one, a tidy 3 USB-A + 1 Ethernet + 1 HDMI. It's so close to the same size as my old Apple TB to Ethernet dongle as doesn't make any difference. When at my own desk, I charge directly from one of the USB-A ports, and have two left over for general use. I have used the dongle twice while on the move, once to print while out at a client, and once to connect to another clients secure LAN.

USB-C peripherals are already numerous. You can get USB-C thumb drives everywhere, lots of the no larger than your thumbnail, there are even lots of smart designs that have both A and C. USB-C monitors have also started to show up on the market in the last few months.

As for MagSafe, the idea is that with all new MacBooks have all day battery life, they aren't being designed anymore to be tethered all the time while in use. The need to be plugged in while at a coffee shop, in a meeting, or anywhere away from your main work desk/location has been drastically diminished. I can't remember the last time I needed a charge outside of my nightly routine. It's become like my routine for charging my iPad and iPhone. That's the reasoning behind the phasing out of MagSafe. If Apple still sold laptops with maximum 3-5 hours battery life, they definitely would be keeping MagSafe around. But 10 hours is going to be the minimum from now, so MagSafe becomes much less of a "thing." You're probably still tethered to a charger out of habit, or you own an older generation MBP that doesn't have the improved battery life. In either case the indignant argument you are making just fades away.

Of course this is my use case - yours may be different. But you can't have it both ways. Either Apple innovates and is a leader in bringing new technologies to the market, as they have traditionally done, or they stop being that company and officially lose their way.

If those 4 ports are all fully functional TB3/USB-C ports, the potential connectivity is exponentially greater than anything Apple is selling now, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about that. If you're angry about your existing USB-A and TB2 stuff not working anymore, then I'm sorry. There are also little A-C adopters that aren't expensive and about the size of a stick of Trident you can get.

You're absolutely right. Moreover, as has been shown with the rMB, the lighter these laptops get, the less effective MagSafe is. At a certain point their effectiveness is called into question. More often than not, MagSafe or not, the laptop is going to get pulled off the table before the MagSafe connection breaks anymore.

The mobile market has progressed to a point that devices are so small and light they simply cannot afford a port that can't do multiple functions. To the extent the rumor is true, that's why the 3.5mm headphone jack is about to go away on most mobile devices. And that's likely why Intel is now pushing USB-C audio. And that's why everybody follows Apple once they do something, because the industry is already at a tipping point, and Apple has the courage, if not the bank account to pull the trigger.

Most people will only the need the dongles as long as it takes to upgrade their legacy peripherals, or buy inexpensive adapters as necessary.
 
Considering that just one of the new ports has nearly as much bandwidth as all of the ports on the existing model, if anything it's a bit overkill!
This pure bandwidth argument is so faulty. I love megabits as much as the next guy. But in real life use, what matters is pure functionality. It's total horsesh** to say, "well, all your peripherals are suddenly obsolete and need adapters because Apple has some stick up their behinds and really really like making money selling cables. But that's all irrelevant because the aggregate bandwidth of this cool new port is so high." Give me a break.

I think I just fell for troll bait. Oh well. ;)
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Having lived with an rMB for over a year now, I really wonder where all your anger is coming from. I have LESS dongles now than when I was using my MBA as my primary work machine. With the rMB, I only have one, a tidy 3 USB-A + 1 Ethernet + 1 HDMI. It's so close to the same size as my old Apple TB to Ethernet dongle as doesn't make any difference. When at my own desk, I charge directly from one of the USB-A ports, and have two left over for general use. I have used the dongle twice while on the move, once to print while out at a client, and once to connect to another clients secure LAN.

USB-C peripherals are already numerous. You can get USB-C thumb drives everywhere, lots of the no larger than your thumbnail, there are even lots of smart designs that have both A and C. USB-C monitors have also started to show up on the market in the last few months.

As for MagSafe, the idea is that with all new MacBooks have all day battery life, they aren't being designed anymore to be tethered all the time while in use. The need to be plugged in while at a coffee shop, in a meeting, or anywhere away from your main work desk/location has been drastically diminished. I can't remember the last time I needed a charge outside of my nightly routine. It's become like my routine for charging my iPad and iPhone. That's the reasoning behind the phasing out of MagSafe. If Apple still sold laptops with maximum 3-5 hours battery life, they definitely would be keeping MagSafe around. But 10 hours is going to be the minimum from now, so MagSafe becomes much less of a "thing." You're probably still tethered to a charger out of habit, or you own an older generation MBP that doesn't have the improved battery life. In either case the indignant argument you are making just fades away.

Of course this is my use case - yours may be different. But you can't have it both ways. Either Apple innovates and is a leader in bringing new technologies to the market, as they have traditionally done, or they stop being that company and officially lose their way.

If those 4 ports are all fully functional TB3/USB-C ports, the potential connectivity is exponentially greater than anything Apple is selling now, and there is absolutely nothing to complain about that. If you're angry about your existing USB-A and TB2 stuff not working anymore, then I'm sorry. There are also little A-C adopters that aren't expensive and about the size of a stick of Trident you can get.
Some good points. Why some of us are still butt hurt:

1) The argument is pretty weak for not keeping, say, 1 USB-A port. There's plenty of room; it's the same internal USB bus; it doesn't use power if it's not in use. Yes I can go buying Trident adapters, but why? Really? On a MBPro, the supposed top-of-the-line? The old MBAir will be the new powerhouse, in my book. It's got the ports, baby. It's got the ports.

2) MagSafe is still the best invention Apple ever made, and there's no way it has run its course, even with long battery life. Sh*t still happens and things get knocked over, anywhere. We still have to charge our laptops sometime. And yeah some of us use more power than the simple web browsing in those 10-hour tests.

There's nothing wrong with Apple pushing USB-C. Cool. Fine. I appreciate their innovation and I'm glad to be prepared for the future! But this is just the first time they have gone so radically away from including ANYTHING else, choosing ONLY the latest, coolest, fastest port.

Go ahead, treat me like a Pavlovian dog who won't do as he's told unless forced into the new tech. To that: well, I can't fully express myself without violating forum rules. ;)
 
Cant wait. Im sure USB-C HDMI cables will appear on the market soon (USB-C one end, HDMI the other) just like how at the moment I have a mDP to HDMI cable now. So no need for an adapter. Or if you wish to have an adapter anyway, just leave it attached to the HDMI cable at all times. Then its the same thing really!

I see no issue with going all USB-C, need to embrace the future some time! Only ball ache will be when faced with a USB-A stick. But it should be too much trouble to carry a single adapter around with the thing if out and about. I carry a SuperDrive now just in case anyway, won't harm to have a little dongle too.
 
EOS 7D (pro level cropped sensor), EOS 6D (full frame), Sony Alpha A7 (full frame), along with many other cameras that combine compact flash with SD cards...
Still do you think it's a huge absent if they remove it?
 
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