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This guy lost his phone on a night of drinking at a German bar, he now has his phone back. Again where is the case apple has against gizmodo?

So, Gizmodo knew that it had a acquired an unreleased Apple product, posted images and details about it without Apple's permissions. Yeah, they are the good guys. The Apple employee screwed up, but let's not pretend Gizmodo or the guy/gal who sold it to Gizmodo were on the up-and-up.
 
Well, he couldn't actually look up the recent call list since the phone was remotely inactivated by Apple. ;)

Granted this is not some conspiracy type deal... I think the person that picked up the phone should have had better judgement. I remember having a phone in my possession which I thought was mine (since it was the same model type etc) but realized it wasn't. Yes this was in a bar. No I didn't stick around the bar trying to find the person... or even wait till someone claimed it, since that is just ridiculous (Like I'm going to hold up a sign saying "Lost iPhone, please claim".) I called the last number that was in the recent call list. A friend of the owner picked up, and that friend directed me to a landline of the owner and we met up and I gave the phone to the owner. Period. I figure there is some sorta sham going on here. I will not visit jizzmodo's site due to their part in the sham
 
Shifty Pig is right. There is no theft here.

The law requires that you make reasonable efforts to return the property. The finder asked around the bar and then called Apple and spoke to a rep. The state doesn't get to put him in jail for a year because Apple didn't transfer him to the right person. There's no requirement that you turn the phone over to the police, or to the bartender, for that matter.

I'm getting information saying otherwise:

What he never did, however, was notify anyone who worked at the bar, according to its owner, Volcker Staudt.

The person who found it could be asking: "Hey, have you lost an iPhone?"
The finder then contacted AppleCare who obviously wouldn't be able to help him, becuase they would have no information on it. The finder did however, have information about the owner of the device, as made evident by him passing on the information to Gizmodo which was published.
 
I don't think they legally need anyone's permissions to publish photos of a phone they found or bought. (circumstances of it was originally found aside).

So, Gizmodo knew that it had a acquired an unreleased Apple product, posted images and details about it without Apple's permissions. Yeah, they are the good guys. The Apple employee screwed up, but let's not pretend Gizmodo or the guy/gal who sold it to Gizmodo were on the up-and-up.
 
Oh, please. The people who feel that Gizmodo or the "founder" of the phone are in the right are absolutely insane. No two ways about it.

Apple could go after 'em so easily. I'm not even a lawyer...

I stopped reading after the last line.

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Wow, are there no moderators on this forum? Do we really have to have yet another thread beating this horse?
 
If Gizmodo had not bought the phone, it never would have been returned to Apple.

The guy had it a month, and it never got back to Apple. Gizmo paid $5000, and makes arrangements to get it back to them the first business day they had it in their possession.

Apple doesn't stand a chance of winning any litigation against Gozmodo.

Am i wrong, but didn't Gizmodo tear into the phone first? Disassemble something with Apple written all over it? I think this is the part i have the biggest problem with.
 
I don't think they legally need anyone's permissions to publish photos of a phone they found or bought. (circumstances of it was originally found aside).

I don't know what the law has to say about this situation -- however, I would have a hard time finding for Apple given that they appear to have sloppily handled an unreleased product.

In any event, I think Gizmodo and the original finder took advantage of the situation -- it's up to you to decide if it fits your ethics or not.
 
If Gizmodo had not bought the phone, it never would have been returned to Apple.

The guy had it a month, and it never got back to Apple. Gizmo paid $5000, and makes arrangements to get it back to them the first business day they had it in their possession.

Apple doesn't stand a chance of winning any litigation against Gozmodo.

Gizmodo had it for well over a week ;)
 
You think "theft" is defined differently if you take possession of property that is not rightfully yours in a public place versus a dwelling? Really?

you wold be surprised by the way the Law seas things, sometimes the Law and the way we were brought up to believe are 2 different concepts
 
Here's the thing though..... if you found something that was very clearly an Apple prototype phone, would you leave it with a bar owner who you don't know or would you keep it and call Apple in the morning? What is the bar owner going to do, throw it on eBay that night? You don't know. It is 100% feasible that a reasonable person would keep it to call Apple in the morning. Apple didn't retrieve it. Criminal case over.

There's nothing there. You can not like it, as many people have shown. But there's nothing there. This isn't like debating the iPad where nobody is right - there is in fact a right and wrong answer.
 
Would anyone get arrested if it was a $10 Razr that got lost at a bar? Or if you buy something used on Craigslist but don't have absolute proof that it wasn't stolen?

Apple stands to lose considerably more than $10 in profits if enough people decide to not purchase a 3GS because of the confirmed new features.

The value of the phone itself is not the question. It's the cost of the lost sales within the current product cycle. This also goes out to those crying "marketing ploy" and "intentional leak". There's just no way it's either of those
 
But that right there is EXACTLY why no one is going to be charged with any crimes in this case. Because proving that in a court of law is a very tall order.

Wait, why would that get them off. Let's assume Giz is believed the finder/seller and they were gambling that the device was real or fake. The finder/seller said it was an Apple device and they bought it and confirmed it. There is no defense to say, well, the seller told me it was an Apple device before I bought it, but since he may have been lying, I'm in the clear. Maybe, just maybe, if the opposite was true would Giz have a defense. "The seller told me it was his and he had the right to sell it to us. We had no reason to question him and no reason to check further. How were we supposed to know it was rightfully Apple's property."
 
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Controlled leak. Job well done.

I think if Apple just lets this go, then it just may be a controlled leak. Even my mom knew about it from basic tv news. It's free publicity. It's making me wonder. Save a few bucks on ads.
 
the thing that makes this story seem so fake is the 5k selling price. If you found un-released version of an iphone you gotta no that you can probably get 20k for it.
 
I don't know what the law has to say about this situation -- however, I would have a hard time finding for Apple given that they appear to have sloppily handled an unreleased product.

In any event, I think Gizmodo and the original finder took advantage of the situation -- it's up to you to decide if it fits your ethics or not.

What? So, if the victim of the theft made the theft easier, the thief should get off? You leave your Macbook in the backseat of your unlocked car for the world to see and it gets stolen. The thief should get a pass because you were dumb enough to leave an invitation?
 
Apple stands to lose considerably more than $10 in profits if enough people decide to not purchase a 3GS because of the confirmed new features.

The value of the phone itself is not the question. It's the cost of the lost sales within the current product cycle. This also goes out to those crying "marketing ploy" and "intentional leak". There's just no way it's either of those

PROVE IT!

Why, would an Apple Employee, TRUSTED to HAVE a PROTOTYPE in his possession, take it to a BAR that is FULL OF PEOPLE and CAN SEE a digital device, then ACCIDENTLY LEAVE that SECRET PROTOTYPE in a PUBLIC PLACE when he left and then NOT ATTEMPT to call, track or contact the device before it was wiped????

I'm waiting
 
I think Gizmodo better hope Apple doesn't take them to court, because it's a pretty obvious open & shut case. I also think they have cause to go after the original "finder" of the phone. All the rationalization in the world won't get them anywhere if it comes before a jury.
 
I don't think the employees of Gizmodo should receive more than 6 months prison time. Granted, being by their own admission a property worth ~$5000, I guess technically that does constitute a felony, but what real harm came of it. Punishment, yes, but I call for leniency.
 
I keep seeing people posting this nonsense. "If you find a lost phone, give it to the bartender! Call the police and report it! Etc. etc."

I don't know what alternate reality you people live in? But in most cases I can think of? #1. I wouldn't trust most bartenders not to just promise you they'll "try to find out whose phone it was" and just take the thing home that night themselves.

#2. If I actually called the police about a lost cellphone? They'd probably tell me just to keep the thing! It'd be like pulling teeth to get an officer to actually come out there and DO anything about it. They don't want to be bothered with something that trivial. (And who can blame them? Wouldn't you feel like an idiot if you made a cop drive out and waste an hour of his time after that filling out paperwork over a cellphone. When meanwhile, a REAL crime happened like an armed robbery or car theft - because the cops were all tied up and too busy to do a patrol around that area at the time?)

And earlier, someone actually posted some sort of "How would YOU feel if your phone was the one lost, and someone picked it up and resold it?" line. Well, guess what? I've actually had that happen before, with a Palm Treo smartphone. As soon as I realized I left it someplace? I was upset with MYSELF for doing it, but wrote it off as a loss and proceeded to look into my options for buying a replacement. You call it in and get them to shut it off so someone can't run up your cellular bill - and beyond that? It's just something normal people chalk up as a loss.

I mean, look - it's *great* if someone is honest and wants to "do the right thing" and return your lost phone (or anything else) to you. But the law comes down on the rigid and unrealistic side of things on all of this stuff. So yes, the "letter of the law" tells you any lost property that someone discovers and resells is "stolen". But how enforceable is it, really? The world generally believes in "finders, keepers" despite the law offering an alternate view. This stuff is a lot like speeding.... The posted sign may say "55MPH speed limit" but look around you while driving on that highway. Do you see everyone following it to the letter, or do you see practically everyone exceeding that posted limit, by at least 4 or 5MPH? People *expect* not to even get a ticket for "going only 5MPH over the limit" if you ask most of them.

It wouldn't be his problem if the bartender stole it. Besides...most bartenders would put it in the lost and found. I'm sure people lose their phones there often. I bet their not gonna be like "An iPhone!? Awesome, I think I'll keep this!" Especially if they value their jobs...

And you could do a follow up. Come back in a few days and ask if anyone claimed the phone.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to have a debate. :)
 
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