This is what kept me with them and had me renew my contract in January, even with the iPhone on the market. The EDGE iPhone and 3G iPhone still can't beat my Treo/other phones in loading Google Maps.
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This is what kept me with them and had me renew my contract in January, even with the iPhone on the market. The EDGE iPhone and 3G iPhone still can't beat my Treo/other phones in loading Google Maps.
The full coverage shown here as default, includes roaming agreements. So you can use the phone everywhere you see, but to own one, you have to live in ATT home areas.
When you click GoPhone under Coverage Type, then you're seeing where ATT has its own native coverage.
ATT does not have rural coverage in Montana, the Dakotas, large parts of Colorado, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Kansas, New Hampshire, Maine, Utah, Oregon, etc... altogether about 1/3 of the states. More info here. (Note that Vermont just now got coverage through a merger.)
What that means, is that you'd be roaming more than 40% (I believe that's one form of their limit) if you lived in those areas and owned an iPhone. Which means ATT would drop your contract (if you managed to get one at all by lying about where you lived).
Much of those blank areas are covered by rural GSM and CDMA carriers. The Rural Carriers Association has therefore petitioned the FCC to force the Big Guys (Verizon, ATT, Sprint, etc) to let them sell their exclusive phones in places not natively covered.... so that everyone in the country has a chance to own the best smartphones.
Tmo's 3G network is completely incompatible with ATT's 3G network (different frequencies).
I also find it ironic that you say you're innocent of name calling, yet you say I'm a baby and getting butt hurt in the same sentence?
Sure. It's clear that that iphone is following the same business model as ipod. ipod is basically a content delivery vehicle for itunes. iphone is a content delivery vehicle for the App Store. By staying exclusive to a single carrier, not only does apple lose the hardware sale to the potential VZW subscriber, but also loses out on the repeat app store sales as well. Ipod would not be where it is today if Apple decided to only sell it to half the US population.
First of all I never brought up your intelligence. I said I'd break it down for you. Apparently you took offense to that since you have a master's degree in math, and let that be known to me. What was the point of that though? Or calling me a VZW fanboy. How does that aid your argument? How does it disprove mine? I'm simply trying to point out to you that personal attacks and bragging about credentials are pointless. Attack the argument, not the poster. Also, please show where I personally attacked you? I did make a joke about your math degree, but that's fair game since you brought it up
People don't give enough credit to sprint. If iphone was available on all the carriers, I'd choose sprint.
You need to check your facts. I know of two people personally who are running their 3G iPhones on the Tmobile 3G network. Again you are entitled to your opinion. Do you have anymore or do you want to just keep this up? Battling an unarmed man in a war of wits is starting to bore me. If you'd like to share anymore opinions....I'd be glad to here them. If you want to continue to make snide remarks...save your breath.
Not a big Sprint fan. My daughter has sprint and has almost no coverage in San Diego, which really surprises me.
If I had to go with a CDMA network, it would have to be VZW.
Not a big Sprint fan. My daughter has sprint and has almost no coverage in San Diego, which really surprises me.
Really? Coverage in San Diego in 2005 was perfect for me. In fact, all of Southern California was perfect or next to perfect.
The only place I have trouble with Sprint coverage is Central Floriduh (AT&T is just as bad there) and I've made calls on the road from New Jersey to Floriduh and Floriduh to California and Floriduh to Ohio/Indiana.
I'm trying to help you with your debating skills. Saying that I'm an unarmed man in a war of wits means nothing....you still havent challenged any of my points! Seriously, if you're going to tell me to check my facts, you should double check yours first. Tmobile uses 1700mhz band for it's 3G network, a frequency which iphone 3G doesn't support. Iphone 3G cannot use Tmo's 3G network.
At this point, my impression is that you are not able to form any cohesive logical argument as to why iphone will stay exclusive to ATT forever, and now you're resorting to fabricating "facts." It is not possible to have a reasonable discussion with someone like you, so I'll kindly make my exit.
Actually the iPhone uses tri-band HSDPA (850/1700/2100). T-mobile uses 2100, but it's a variation of the 2100 band that general HSDPA radios are incompatible with. Both of you are wrong.
Andybilla, two people personally? That kind of argument is tossed around these parts so often that it's not to be taken seriously anymore.
I've already said, Apple's service desires conflict with that of Verizon's. An iPhone sold through Verizon is not likely until the iPhone 4G is released and jailbreaked. There will not be an iPhone for Verizon (not to say that there will not be an iPhone that can work on Verizon's network) unless Verizon loosens up on their habit of forcing their services on customers.
Well, now, Verizon doesn't give smartphones access to their music store. The iPhone has a direct connection to iTS. Don't you think Verizon would balk at that? The iPhone also has a direct connection to the App Store. I'm sure Verizon would object to that to some extent, as well.
As long as Apple markets the iPhone as a smartphone I think Verizon would leave it alone. They seem to leave all the smart phones alone (well for the most part, I think BT & GPS is usually a common problem). Of course when Verizon implements LTE they are supposed to be opening up the network to any device that can run on it. The real question becomes if AT&T (and well the rest of the world) is going to use the same frequencies for LTE as Verizon is supposed to.
No, you're wrong. iphone is triband which supports 850, 1900 and 2100mhz. ATT's 3G network is 850 and 1900mhz. Tmo is 1700 and a variation of 2100mhz.
This is one of the reasons why VZW turned down iphone the first time. But iphone is a proven handset that pulls in a lot of customers with expensive contracts. VZW needs iphone because subscribers are leaving their carriers specifically for this phone. The US market is almost saturated. 9 out of 10 people own a cell phone, so the only way for carriers to increase their market share is to steal subscribers from each other. Perhaps is android can be a worthy competitor, but the things I've heard about the development so far havent been good.
Don't bother wasting your time trying convince anyone with a photoshopped screenshot. iphone 3G is incompatible with Tmobile's 3G network.
iphone 3G only supports UMTS/HSDPA 850mhz, 1900mhz, and 2100mhz
Tmobile uses 1700mhz for its 3G network
Ease off. I don't even own photoshop. I'm not sure what your problem is with me, but I definitely don't appreciate you questioning my integrity. You don't even know me. Questioning my opinions and even doubting facts is fine, but you have crossed the line here. Don't ever question my integrity again!
Finally in three separate posts, I have asked you to cease the personal attacks. This is my fourth and final request that you cease the personal attacks. Here is a quote from the forum rules:
"Insults. Direct personal insult of another member, i.e., "You are an idiot." and all the variations. Why? Because this isn't grade school. People should be able to discuss or even dispute other's posts without insulting people. And the only purpose of a post like this is to incite other people. You may dispute somebody's opinion, but not attack/flame the person who stated it. "
It is alright for people to have different opinions. I have mine. Let it go. Ease off and quit the personal attacks. There is no place for it here.
Hey man, thanks for making me go back and look at my research. My friends have unlocked their 3G iPhones and have them on the T Mobile network; however......they are not, repeat not, no 3G. They can only access the EDGE? portion of the network. I was under the impression that they were accessing 3G, but in fact they are not. I wanted to see for myself the phone operating instead of just taking their word for it. I guess that frequency difference prevents that.
Should be an easy change though for Apple to get iPhone on all GSM networks. (let me know what you think).
Thanks again! Sorry for any confusion this caused.
You got caught telling a lie, so of course your integrity is questionable. stop acting like a big ol drama queen, jeebus!!! Just apologize to the board and use google next time
You got caught telling a lie, stop acting like a big ol drama queen, jeebus!!! Just apologize to the board and use google next time
Read my post above. Admitted my mistake. I did not put it out intentionally. Intent makes lies. Glad to see that you are so tolerant of people. My only mistake was taking my friends' word. I verified and corrected my information. I asked you nicely not to question my integrity, and I asked you nicely to stop the personal attacks. Since you have refused, I am reporting you to the moderators. I really wish after being asked 5 separate times, that you would quit. Guess not.
You got caught telling a lie, so of course your integrity is questionable. stop acting like a big ol drama queen, jeebus!!! Just apologize to the board and use google next time
He already apologized. Rather sincerely, too. I think you're the drama queen here.
Thanks for the vote of confidence. On another note, my friends are getting quite a bit of speed off of the T Mobile network. I wonder how hard it would be to adapt the iPhone to work on all GSM networks?
Don't know if I said it already, but I love saying it anyway:
People are flocking to AT&T for the iPhone, NOT AT&T's network or services.
If the iPhone were on Boost Mobile all of a sudden Boost would be the best service provider bar none says the zealots.
True and untrue. I went to AT&T because I moved and believe it or not I kept dropping calls on VZW. I hadn't bought the iPhone because there was no VZW version. I broke down when I found out AT&T has great coverage where I am. I love my iPhone, but it was not the sole deciding factor, although I am sure it is for many people. That being said....I am satisfied with AT&Ts service. The service is no better or worse than VZW, but their customer service reps are ill informed. Talk to two different people and you get two different answers. Definitely room for improvement! So I guess the short answer is....I am definitely not say AT&T is the best thing since sliced bread.
The iPhone is ALMOST the sole reason I am on AT&T. The ONLY other reason I would have even debated AT&T was I got tired of not being able to get the phones I wanted whether they were on my carrier or not. For example, there are plenty of great GSM phones I can buy unlocked and activate on AT&T. Verizon and Sprint I usually had to sit back and wait. Otherwise, AT&T wouldn't even be on my radar.
It works on all GSM and EDGE networks. But it doesn't work on all HSDPA networks.