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Lenovo CEO on Steve Jobs and Apple's Efforts in China

Steve doesn't care?

Does not care about the most powerful nation on Earth?
Does not care about the biggest language on earth and the fastest growing language at that?
does not care about the economic wealth, especially of those people in Beijing and Shanghai? Does not care? I doubt that very very much... If you are successful in business, and you care about it, you would be investing in it... Investing in teaching your people the language... Otherwise, its just another industry China will come in and dominate.
 
Sure...

My grandparents were extremely kind to he villagers

My grandparents were extremely kind to their house negros too: your comment is just as disgusting as their "kindness".
 
franswa za said:
there is is real life outside sweden you know............. and more sun!
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Life, yes.., but the damn 3:00am dawn and 11:00pm dusk seem to disagree this time of year.

OT, Lenovo's comments were a compliment, not an insult. The comment on temper should be taken as SJ causes people to lose face... Which is true.

In the US, $100k salary puts you in the top 5-10%. In China, it is more liken the top 1%. China's population is 4x that of the US, and it has about the same addessable market. Don't think in percentages or per-capital averages; it belies reality.

Now, it does surprise me that Apple doesn't have a proper retail presence in Hong Kong. The 3rd party store at the IFC mall is less impressive than the one at Siam Paragon in Bangkok...
 
Forget about taking China seriously, take all your clients and markets seriously and work on the QC (quality control) or the bad press alone will be enough to sink Apple what with the high visibility it now enjoys and the seemingly countless enemies it seems to be making on a daily basis...could you imagine Microsoft making a commercial similar to the Get a Mac campaign, but this time Winphone7 playing the role of the Mac .... if things slip enough on the iPhone QC front it could happen


Oh BTW if Apple's China revenues thus far for a supposed "unserious effort" aren't enough to scare the bejeezus outta Lenovo I don't know what is....
 
Apple has made several statements in the quarterly conference calls about being very focused on China and how important China and international growth is in the future, and how they want to build out the brand and do it right and get the iPhone in there etc. etc. etc. This guy is just spewing FUD to make their shareholders feel better. Give it a little more time and they WILL be in trouble! :p
 
If Jobs has such a "bad temper," why would you want to call him out in public and anger him? :confused: :rolleyes:
 
iSlicer said:
Does not care about the most powerful nation on Earth?
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on a technical note (and please correct me if i'm wrong) most of the far east operates on CDMA technology, once considered by Verizon, but i suppose it's easy enough to adapt iphone4 for that (after all the longer right umts, gsm antenna on the phone also handles cdma)

and whilst doing that, apple can fix the hardware?
 
No, China Mobile, the biggest Chinese carrier is GSM, and China Unicorn's GSM subscription outnumber its CDMA by like 4 to 1.

Basically, the entire world operates on GSM, except for the biggest American companies Sprint and Verizon.
 
I don't know..

I mean, to the extend of Bejing and Shianghai seems to be the place to open stores there. Both cities are literally the richest city in Asia, and Shianghai is like a new Tokyo!

I think one of the reason Jobs pulled out of china is because the "Credibility" of its government. No one wants to invest in a country that keep changing laws. They've had a bad experience with the iPhone (Wi-Fi and whatnots). But again, if they can live with that, millions,if not, hundreds of million of new customers are waiting to break their wallets.:D
 
after lenovo desktop parts were bought by china they started to suck. at one time i would have ranked thinkpads up there with macbooks, now they are just like every other asian plastic junk selling company
 
Speaking from Singapore, I can say Apple is doing a wonderful job for its international customers. Being a Chinese, I must say that Apple.com/cn has wonderful translation, and even going further by making it its own.

Apple products usually have mass appeal, and I must say that Apple products, at least in Singapore, are used everywhere. (we have the highest market penetration in the world of iOS devices at about 500 000 out of 5 million citizens).

Though I must say, stop giving priority to the USA when it comes to new devices :D When I got my iMac (it was an international launch), it shipped significantly later than those in the US!
 
TXOID said:
I mean, to the extend of Bejing and Shianghai seems to be the place to open stores there. Both cities are literally the richest city in Asia, and Shianghai is like a new Tokyo!
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Ever been in SH or Beijing? ;) I lived in both ('m currently living in SH). Don't let the western media fool you - a few glitzy skyscrapers and shopping malls alone do not make a western city. Those places still need a few decades to catch up to anything in the western world, especially when it comes to infrastructure.
I really wish SH would be like Tokyo, but it's not even like HK. Even if all the SHers, who've never been in HK, think it is like that...

But yeah, there's tons of rich people, but then again, there's tons of people here in general, and the majority still has to save quite a while to afford even an iPod.
 
Having known and interacted with many Chinese nationals, especially through my father, I must say that the overwhelming consensus is that they much prefer the USA (or any western country) over the PRC. These are educated people too, all of them have doctorates, a family, etc. In fact, one guy who my father is friends with just gave up a high-level job position (president) in the PRC just so he could stay here, unemployed. If that doesn't speak volumes about a government, I don't know what does.

Anyways, I digress.

Apple will certainly penetrate the Chinese market at some point; I think they're really just taking it slowly and waiting for the market conditions to change. With that said, they may just take the retail store approach and be done with it, providing their products as is without any regional customization.
 
TXOID said:
I mean, to the extend of Bejing and Shianghai seems to be the place to open stores there. Both cities are literally the richest city in Asia, and Shianghai is like a new Tokyo!
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Err, no:

List of East Asia Cities by GDP

Rank City /GDP in $ BN /Population (MIL)
1 Tokyo / $ 1479 /35.676
2 Osaka /$ 417 /11.294
3 Hong Kong /$ 320 /7.206
4 Seoul /$ 291 /9.796
5 Shanghai /$ 233 /14.987

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP#Asia.2C_East

Beijing doesn't even make the top 5, and Shanghai's GDP is a fraction of Tokyo's. Most people I meet who are really impressed by Shanghai haven't traveled widely in Asia. The new buildings look nice, but once you get away from that it quickly becomes apparent that Shanghai has a long way to go before it catches up with Japan or HK.
 
Ping Guo said:
Err, no:

List of East Asia Cities by GDP

Rank City /GDP in $ BN /Population (MIL)
1 Tokyo / $ 1479 /35.676
2 Osaka /$ 417 /11.294
3 Hong Kong /$ 320 /7.206
4 Seoul /$ 291 /9.796
5 Shanghai /$ 233 /14.987

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_GDP#Asia.2C_East

Beijing doesn't even make the top 5, and Shanghai's GDP is a fraction of Tokyo's. Most people I meet who are really impressed by Shanghai haven't traveled widely in Asia. The new buildings look nice, but once you get away from that it quickly becomes apparent that Shanghai has a long way to go before it catches up with Japan or HK.
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It's the rate of growth shocks people, not its current state.

Shanghai is catching up fast, whereas Tokyo is really the same as it was 10 years ago. Shanghai's cityscape changes so fast that every six months it's different.

And for all you guys who say that MOST Chinese can't afford an Apple product, you're right. But even if just one in a thousand buys an Apple product, that's still 1.3million iOS devices. The sheer volume would be staggering even if Apple manages only 1% penetration!! Even now, Goldman Sachs predicts that within 10 years time China will be buying almost 30% of the world's luxury goods.
 
Please leave the political comments somewhere else, most of what you guys say is anti-China propaganda you heard from western news that have their own agenda. Real capitalist countries do not have your tax dollars pay for an inefficient healthcare system, they do not have a president that overrules your constitution whenever he writes a bill, they do not show one-sided stories that sell well to the average Joe, etc. Last year more cars were sold in China than in the USA and Lamborghini sells more cars in China than in Italy.

I have been in Shanghai for nearly a month and every single day I saw at least one local with an iPad, in a country where iPads are US$250 above the US price. There definitely are people willing to pay Apple's prices, I think what Lenovo's CEO was referring to was the lack of localization. As someone mentioned, there is no Baidu search in Safari on iPhones and iPads, the Chinese input system is somewhat messy and they all come with an unusable YouTube: people have to manually get local video streaming apps through the app store. Their TV advertisements and billboards are exactly like the American ones, which confuses many Chinese people who do not know the American songs displayed on iPod advertisements.

One last thing: can someone explain to me why Apple needs to open an official store when there are authorized resellers everywhere? What's the difference between these 2?
 
zukernik said:
Please leave the political comments somewhere else, most of what you guys say is anti-China propaganda you heard from western news that have their own agenda. Real capitalist countries do not have your tax dollars pay for an inefficient healthcare system, they do not have a president that overrules your constitution whenever he writes a bill, they do not show one-sided stories that sell well to the average Joe, etc. Last year more cars were sold in China than in the USA and Lamborghini sells more cars in China than in Italy.
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There are so many things wrong with what you wrote I don't even know where to begin. If anything, the western media has a pro-China bias, and how couldn't they? Most articles published are taken directly from Xinhua, the official PRC press agency. Not exactly a lot of independent news agencies roaming freely in China are there?

Secondly, since you're griping about health care in the US, what's your opinion on the Chinese health care system? Oh wait... whoops, they don't have one! Dying from cancer due to mercury poisoning or some awful pollution related illness? Too bad! Wanna sue the government? Yeah, that will end well for you. Thank goodness corrupt cadres and party officials can steal enough money from public coffers to buy Lamborghinis and second houses in Vancouver and Seattle, just in case it all goes teats up.

And we can sell their spoiled 黃帝 kids iPads and MBPs.

zukernik said:
I have been in Shanghai for nearly a month and every single day I saw at least one local with an iPad, in a country where iPads are US$250 above the US price.
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Nearly a month? Impressive.:rolleyes:
 
I lived in a free-market Hong Kong for many years and the private health care over there is way better than the one in my native Canada. I used to wait for over 8 hours for anything that wasn't life threatening and I can get the same care instantly for a few bucks in a non-socialized system. Private insurances are quickly spreading in mainland China so as long as the government doesn't make the mistake Obama did everyone should be better off in the years to come. The only 2 places that are still run on a free market economy are Hong Kong and Singapore, and neither of them is a democracy. The thought laws in China make it more and more difficult for politicians to accept bribes (maybe you've heard of what recently happened in Chongqing). Even though there are still some problems in China, the sheer amount of knowledge workers coming out of universities every year, with all that's coming out of the country (steel, coal) coupled with some free market competition will be more than enough to keep the country's growth pace very high. People talking about bubbles should take look at something called 'demographic transition', something through every developed nation went through, something that's an actual trend. The tech bubble was caused by optimistic people investing in worthless ideas because they were new, the real estate bubble was caused by the US federal reserve lending free money to banks coupled by government-guaranteed worthless mortgages. China as a whole is different.
 
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Bull said:
Shanghai is catching up fast, whereas Tokyo is really the same as it was 10 years ago. Shanghai's cityscape changes so fast that every six months it's different.
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Twenty years in Shanghai...
 

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zukernik said:
I lived in a free-market Hong Kong for many years and the private health care over there is way better than the one in my native Canada. I used to wait for over 8 hours for anything that wasn't life threatening and I can get the same care instantly for a few bucks in a non-socialized system. Private insurances are quickly spreading in mainland China so as long as the government doesn't make the mistake Obama did everyone should be better off in the years to come. The only 2 places that are still run on a free market economy are Hong Kong and Singapore, and neither of them is a democracy. The thought laws in China make it more and more difficult for politicians to accept bribes (maybe you've heard of what recently happened in Chongqing). Even though there are still some problems in China, the sheer amount of knowledge workers coming out of universities every year, with all that's coming out of the country (steel, coal) coupled with some free market competition will be more than enough to keep the country's growth pace very high. People talking about bubbles should take look at something called 'demographic transition', something through every developed nation went through, something that's an actual trend. The tech bubble was caused by optimistic people investing in worthless ideas because they were new, the real estate bubble was caused by the US federal reserve lending free money to banks coupled by government-guaranteed worthless mortgages. China as a whole is different.
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Yeah, China as a whole is different... 1970s China was a 4th world country, it was only through western world investments that China has picked up from the ground. There are still no copyright laws, there is still no real motivation to innovate, most of the things they do is just outright copy from stolen blueprints from the western sourced factories. The entire banking system is controlled by the Chinese government. There is NO health care in China, your example of Hong Kong is a bad one as Hong Kong was under the British rule for so many years, even right now there is a lot of traditions/influence there after it was taken over by China. The tough laws in China are only tough for people outside of government/communist ranks, their media is as manipulative as they come and I do not believe crap they say. Reality is that a common folk does not have any rights and is pretty much on his own in case something bad happens. Government officials do as they please without any regard for human life.

And last time I checked, media in USA can not get any more pro-China and how wonderful everything is there. The Chinese growth percentage wise is impressive but when people actually look at numbers, going from 1 to 10 gives a 1000% increase where going from 1000 to 1200 gives only 20% but which one actually makes more money? China is a bubble and most economists would tend to agree, only thing that hides that fact is the Chinese government with creative accounting and manipulating of currency.
 
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