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Lenovo X1 - Another MBA challenger

BENJMNS said:
no it hasn't u have no idea what you're talking about along both fronts
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please you'll know what i mean after having multiple repairs with an XF

it looks nice, looks tough and all. but wait till you experience the interior crumbling under sunlight and the radiator leaking after only 6months.

then tell me that its quality is just as good as before
 
Cerano said:
it was merely during the era in which ford owned jag that i agree but look at the company now
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My point was that your analogy to Jaguar was a bit wrong, Jaguar have improved in quality ten fold since being bought by an Indian company (Tata).

Jaguar since the late 70's (and probably before) through to the late 90's were renowned for poor build quality, terrible rust, mechanical issues, a string of replacement engines on the mid 90's V8s under warranty et etc (the list is long) - I could go on but this forum is not big enough! The cars that were built in the 2000's were just Ford cars and don't really count much to be honest, but even so they're not great.

The later variants under the new ownership are well accepted by the masses for being having far greater build quality and reliability and so hence your comments about foriegn ownership of Jaguar bringing down the quality is wrong.

You can argue until you're blue in the face but you're arguing against a plethora of information from owners and car critics that says otherwise.
 
Beanoir said:
My point was that your analogy to Jaguar was a bit wrong, Jaguar have improved in quality ten fold since being bought by an Indian company (Tata).

Jaguar since the late 70's (and probably before) through to the late 90's were renowned for poor build quality, terrible rust, mechanical issues, a string of replacement engines on the mid 90's V8s under warranty et etc (the list is long) - I could go on but this forum is not big enough! The cars that were built in the 2000's were just Ford cars and don't really count much to be honest, but even so they're not great.

The later variants under the new ownership are well accepted by the masses for being having far greater build quality and reliability and so hence your comments about foriegn ownership of Jaguar bringing down the quality is wrong.

You can argue until you're blue in the face but you're arguing against a plethora of information from owners and car critics that says otherwise.
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i know jags have never been known for reliability but as mentioned i have had a better experience with my s-type than my xf :) thats all
 
Is the hole Cerano dug himself into so deep that we now have to deflect the thread from the original subject ? This is about a Lenovo laptop, not cars.
 
Cerano said:
no offense mate but I dont think any POS Lenovo can compare to a MBA in build quality. Anything designed by a chinese company cant compare.
Chinese and good quality should never fit together in a sentence.

And im chinese myself so please dont accuse me of being racist. Its just that Chinese goods suck so much even chinese people dont buy them
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thinkpads are build incredibly well. probably the only laptops other than macbooks worth buying. what the hell are you talking about?
 
ThinkPads are really well built. They don't have the design aesthetic that Macs have, but the build quality itself is second to none. Lenovo continues to build ThinkPads with the same quality as when IBM built them. If I were to buy a PC for whatever reason, I'd either get a Lenovo ThinkPad or a Sony Vaio. Those two are the only Windows PC vendors that build machines worth paying money for. My Dad used a ThinkPad for over 4 years. I think the DVD drive broke after 3 years. On the other hand, the SuperDrive on the MBP that I just sold broke after 1 year. AppleCare replaced it of course.

To Cerano, Chinese goods make up pretty much everything and anything you buy. From computers to shoes to home furnishings, most of what we buy every day is made in China. Yes, some of it is crap. But then again, Apple computers, ThinkPads, Sonys, etc. were all made in China. Heck, you were made in China too.
 
TheMacBookPro said:
You ever touched a ThinkPad?

Yeah didn't think so. You probably think a Panasonic Toughbook is flimsy too?
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Yeah I once had a thinkpad, it was the biggest bag of ***** I ever had, hence why I got rid and never ever bought one again...

and no, I quite like panasonic they are very reliable, that's why I just bought a panasonic hdc-sd600 :):)

protip: stop guessing
 
lenovo

our company used lenovo for 3 years. we just dropped them. I can say the quality is no where near Apple. I would know. I service them.

Every since Lenovo took over from IBM, it has dropped. This can only explain why prices have fallen.
 
KnightWRX said:
The thing is, Lenovo was already manufacturing the ThinkPads when they were IBM branded. They only took over the name when IBM dropped the line.

So any "perceived" drop in quality is just that : Perception.
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So if you are producing a product for a company and you happen to buy/gain/whatever the company, you would run it the exact same way without any changes in quality or cost?

SIR YOUR STATEMENT IS FALSE
 
johnhalsted said:
So if you are producing a product for a company and you happen to buy/gain/whatever the company, you would run it the exact same way without any changes in quality or cost?

SIR YOUR STATEMENT IS FALSE
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You're making the claim that there is a drop in quality, the burden of proof is on you. That said, where is your proof? Your opinion isn't proof, it's just that, an opinion. A misguided one IMO.
 
accordmac said:
our company used lenovo for 3 years. we just dropped them. I can say the quality is no where near Apple. I would know. I service them.

Every since Lenovo took over from IBM, it has dropped. This can only explain why prices have fallen.
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According to studies, Apple's quality is not superior. It's average when compared with other OEMs, though there is the fact that Apple does not make sub-$999 laptops while other OEMs mainly sell ~500$ laptops.
 
i very much like my mba, but i had to get the screen replaced due to a white blotch and i baby the thing like all my other gadgets.

i love the lenovo x220 and this x1. again, somewhat tempted to move back to PC land. thinkpads are the real deal.

for all this made in china, jaguar/tata/ford comparison... some of you guys struggle a great deal with thinking rationally and it's a pretty all right piece of entertainment for the rest of us who get it :D

-2011 Range Rover owner fitted with a 510hp JAGUAR engine by Ford.
 
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The screen is a shame and it is not as thin as MBA but otherwise it looks interesting.
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The screen is a disappointment but 8GB of RAM sounds good.

No word on availability but a Swiss reseller is selling it for 2791 CHF which is equal to about 3200$.
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that last line blows it for me - $3200 !!!
even if it ticked all the boxes, that there blows it out of the water.
plus can it run Mac OSX?
no, I thought not ;)
 
halledise said:
plus can it run Mac OSX?
no, I thought not ;)
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Legally? No, but if we are talking about illegally then, yes but that must be discussed other places?

If I am not mistaken this has the same gpu as the 13in MBP, so I don't seeing that being too bad as it should be fine for most peoles needs.
 
johnhalsted said:
So if you are producing a product for a company and you happen to buy/gain/whatever the company, you would run it the exact same way without any changes in quality or cost?

SIR YOUR STATEMENT IS FALSE
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Like someone else said : burden of proof is on you. Facts before us :

- Lenovo was the manufacturer for IBM's line of ThinkPad.
- Lenovo is still the manufacturer for the ThinkPads, under their own brand.

Nothing has changed but the manufacturer name on the box for all we know. If you have proof of a drop of quality, share it with us, otherwise, my statements remain true since they are based on fact.
 
KnightWRX said:
Engadget has a few more details :

http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/16/lenovo-adds-thinkpad-x1-to-laptop-comparison-guide-outs-ips-scr/
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I just read their biased review of the X1 and not sure how the cheese they gave this garbage box. First point it run windows that alone should give it a rating no higher than 4. The second point, it has an Intel cpu and gpu, which that alone should not make it over 1.5. And who in the hot down stairs needs a hardened glass on a laptop? Wouldn't that make it less durable? Shoot.

Apple really needs to update the Air with something NOT Intel based and call it game over for the rest of market cause the best has been made.
 
I have a hard time understanding these posts. Challenger?

Does it run OS X?

If not, it's nit a challenger!

One should assume that someone who is interested in a MBA wants to run OS X. Further, if one likes a MBA, it's a fair guess that they've considered the alternatives and decided to go with a Mac.

Comrarative reviews are good for consumer reports, CNET, PC World, etc but hold little worth here IMO.
 
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