Well, I disagree with you. I think the vast majority of users (maybe not 'vast' but majority anyway) fall in my group. You just only hear from your 2 groups on this site the most because this is where people go to bitch or get problems solved.
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Leopard - As of today - April 27, 2008
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Well, I disagree with you. I think the vast majority of users (maybe not 'vast' but majority anyway) fall in my group. You just only hear from your 2 groups on this site the most because this is where people go to bitch or get problems solved.
While I don't hate the new iCal, it no longer suits my needs. I've started to use Google Calendar now, and find that it is absolutely brilliant for my 'day to day calendaring needs'. I then sync Google Calendar with iCal so my devices can then share said 'day to day calendaring'. When I get an iPhone it will be even better because then I can input my 'day to day calendaring' on the iPhone, which in turn will sync with iCal and then sync with Google Calendar.
Aside from iCal being somewhat of a let down, I thought I would be using Spaces more than I don't. Stacks and Quick Look though have become indispensable to me. I can't imagine going back to Tiger and tapping space bar to see nothing come up.
Yeah, Like What? Let's get the over generalizations out of the way for goodness sakes! Everyone that 'has issues/problems' never says what they are. And when they do they mention my 'intermediate non-active third browser window has a memory leak' kind of thing that is as ridiculous sounding as you'd think.
Ok, well... that's what they say!
Me... I don't really care. I'm happy running Tiger right now.
Serious question (more out of curiosity, though):
I was just helping someone with their computer running Tiger. Some people seem to prefer the Finder Sidebar in Tiger over the one in Leopard. Why?!?! I forgot how useless the one in Tiger was. Maybe because I spend a lot of time accessing other computers and drives over our network, but Leopard's sidebar is actually useful to me, whereas the one in Tiger was just terrible. IMO, of course.
Just wondering what it is about Tiger's Sidebar that people prefer over Leopard's.
I was just helping someone with their computer running Tiger. Some people seem to prefer the Finder Sidebar in Tiger over the one in Leopard. Why?!?! I forgot how useless the one in Tiger was. Maybe because I spend a lot of time accessing other computers and drives over our network, but Leopard's sidebar is actually useful to me, whereas the one in Tiger was just terrible. IMO, of course.
Just wondering what it is about Tiger's Sidebar that people prefer over Leopard's.
Problems installing CS3 - is it leopard being difficult?
Hi. Can someone help me out with this issue Im having please?
Im dying to use my new CS3 apps, but when I try to install from the disc, it doesnt even get past the initial setup.application.
Quitting on a Javascript Alert, with the following message:
Critical errors were found in setup
Incompatible payloads already installed
Please see the Setup log file for details.
Once I press OK, the application just quits.
I dont understand code, as Im a print designer and Ive searched the forums for this problem? Can anyone help me out please.
Im thinking of just initializing my hard drive and re-installing Leopard to start fresh again?
Hi. Can someone help me out with this issue Im having please?
Im dying to use my new CS3 apps, but when I try to install from the disc, it doesnt even get past the initial setup.application.
Quitting on a Javascript Alert, with the following message:
Critical errors were found in setup
Incompatible payloads already installed
Please see the Setup log file for details.
Once I press OK, the application just quits.
I dont understand code, as Im a print designer and Ive searched the forums for this problem? Can anyone help me out please.
Im thinking of just initializing my hard drive and re-installing Leopard to start fresh again?
Still not particularly happy with Leopard.
DVD Player causing a kernel panic on this model is pretty hilarious and networking is about as reliable as... it's so lame I can't even think of a comparison.
DVD Player causing a kernel panic on this model is pretty hilarious and networking is about as reliable as... it's so lame I can't even think of a comparison.
It's always the OS to blame huh and never the OP?
I was thinking something along those lines.
Could it be that my MBP is not compatible with Leopard?... Something in the computer's hard ware...
I installed Leopard one again to give it another shot but it's chunky... animations are chunky and Safari seems to hang once in a while...
Other thing is that now the computer works hotter than with Tiger... wierd
I installed Leopard one again to give it another shot but it's chunky... animations are chunky and Safari seems to hang once in a while...
Other thing is that now the computer works hotter than with Tiger... wierd
Leopard has been nothing but a disaster for me. Printing broke with security update 2008-002, the shared network in the sidebar is so unreliable I disabled it (shares appear and disappear randomly), Active Directory binding is flaky at best (but used to work great in Tiger) etc...I don't want to make a laundry list but...
It's just my opinion but in their efforts to improve the user experience, it seems stability has been compromised (at least as of 10.5.2). This is bad if Apple wants to make inroads into enterprise level assimilation. I don't know if they do or not but at least make the tools that they have to do so, work. It's one thing to release an OS to the consumer market that's somewhat buggy, but it can be disastrous to do so at the enterprise level.
It's just my opinion but in their efforts to improve the user experience, it seems stability has been compromised (at least as of 10.5.2). This is bad if Apple wants to make inroads into enterprise level assimilation. I don't know if they do or not but at least make the tools that they have to do so, work. It's one thing to release an OS to the consumer market that's somewhat buggy, but it can be disastrous to do so at the enterprise level.
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it's REALLY helpful to encounter a "thread" where there is some disagreements but putting that aside you all are helping each other....some of these threads persons really dump on others and i find that disappointing.....i would like to update to leopard but all i've read up to now makes me wonder if or when Jobs is going to fix all leopards problems---sure many of you can deal with these--i am not one of them. when i got my first issue of mac mini with panther there were no problems at all, when i got my pb12 with tiger ppc again no problems, when i got my mbp15 i with tiger again no problems but leopard would be an install and my HD is more or less full and leopard takes more gb than tiger...so it seems were i to put leopard in either get a larger HD or dump half what i have....i am bothered with the strange security arrangement leopard has and just why it's "leaky" and not a zipped up tight arrangement like tiger had. my reservations are because i am not one of those who are able to work with and resolve leopards issues...so perhaps i shouldn't upgrade to it....simply don't understand why Jobs came out with a half done OS and seems to be stalling on fixing it?
it's REALLY helpful to encounter a "thread" where there is some disagreements but putting that aside you all are helping each other....some of these threads persons really dump on others and i find that disappointing.....i would like to update to leopard but all i've read up to now makes me wonder if or when Jobs is going to fix all leopards problems---sure many of you can deal with these--i am not one of them. when i got my first issue of mac mini with panther there were no problems at all, when i got my pb12 with tiger ppc again no problems, when i got my mbp15 i with tiger again no problems but leopard would be an install and my HD is more or less full and leopard takes more gb than tiger...so it seems were i to put leopard in either get a larger HD or dump half what i have....i am bothered with the strange security arrangement leopard has and just why it's "leaky" and not a zipped up tight arrangement like tiger had. my reservations are because i am not one of those who are able to work with and resolve leopards issues...so perhaps i shouldn't upgrade to it....simply don't understand why Jobs came out with a half done OS and seems to be stalling on fixing it?
Neato disk writer
I cannot use my Neato Disk Label maker software with Leopard. Any ideas?
Well guys...
It's April 27, 2008 and Leopard has been out for some time now. What can you say about it. What is your feedback?....
I cannot use my Neato Disk Label maker software with Leopard. Any ideas?
And to answer the original question, Leopard seems to run a bit slower than the previous OSX. Of course I don't have a new intel machine-iMac, 1ghz (okay, so I am a dinosaur).
Well to be honest after your post it's obvious that you only want to pay attention to any negative situations people are having while shunning all the positives. You have to understand that the few people that have problems never tell the whole story. Here are some examples:
They leave out that they just "upgraded" to Leopard over the old OS instead of doing a full and complete erase of the older OS and installing Leopard and then re-installing their apps individually creating a true clean install.
They leave out that they install haxies and modifications to make Leopard look and run differently than the original install which can create problems.
They leave out the fact that they are using legacy or beta software that's is not truly Leopard compatible so they complain something is crashing but they won't tell you what version of software they are using.
They leave out the fact that they have a household of cordless phones that interfere with their wireless but instead they just complain that Leopard is having wireless problems.
They complain that their brand new Mac is behaving extremely slow and rather than mention they used Migration Assistant and dumped over 100GB of software from their old Mac to the new Mac which caused Spotlight to index their drive and slow stuff down, they decide to complain without any dispelling that info.
Take Bodean's post #71, he mentioned that Leopard ran a bit slower on his Mac but then he explained that he's using an older PowerPC Mac at 1Ghz. Leopard is optimized for Intel Macs. See, he tells the whole story rather than leaving out he has a slower Mac.
10.5.2 fixed a lot of small issues that people were having with Leopard and many people have had very good experiences especially for the 6 meezly months Leopard's been out.
You've had good experiences from Panther to Tiger, there's no reason to allow some negative post to scare you at this point.
Keep in mind this is an online forum and more people will complain and less people with good experiences will post but it's your decision if you are easily swayed by negative feedback.
HLdan
i'm focusing on the things i have read that others are having problems, i am focusing on the fact that i do not know half as much about all this computer talk as guys like you because you can deal with things about leopard i can't and i'm asking if there has been enough upgrading or is it updating that this leopard is ok....i'm not convinced it is...i'm not computer smart like you and 3/4's of who come to macrumor....if i bought the thing and right now i realize i have too much on my HD to fit this- the comment's been said too leave 10% of HD open so appliocations can work and i don't have room.....maybe it sounds like i'm concentrating on negatives because i don't have the skill level to deal with these Panther and Tiger ran 100% for me and i also didn't see even half the word output in relating problems people might have had with those as i have with leopard....i not only have a low skill level i don't even understand half the terms you guys use- these are all the rreasons i come to macrumors to try and learn something!
i'm focusing on the things i have read that others are having problems, i am focusing on the fact that i do not know half as much about all this computer talk as guys like you because you can deal with things about leopard i can't and i'm asking if there has been enough upgrading or is it updating that this leopard is ok....i'm not convinced it is...i'm not computer smart like you and 3/4's of who come to macrumor....if i bought the thing and right now i realize i have too much on my HD to fit this- the comment's been said too leave 10% of HD open so appliocations can work and i don't have room.....maybe it sounds like i'm concentrating on negatives because i don't have the skill level to deal with these Panther and Tiger ran 100% for me and i also didn't see even half the word output in relating problems people might have had with those as i have with leopard....i not only have a low skill level i don't even understand half the terms you guys use- these are all the rreasons i come to macrumors to try and learn something!
Understandable that you may not be as tech savvy as many of the MR forum members but there was nothing in my post to you that used computer jargon of which you couldn't comprehend with. All I am saying is do yourself a favor and take the chance for yourself and try out Leopard however I cannot recommend enough that you do a full erase of Tiger and Install a fresh copy of Leopard and then install each one of your apps separately. You most likely will have a better experience than you expected.
It's common knowledge in this world that more people will complain than praise but no two people have the same experiences which is why you cannot take the negatives on this forum and expect them to happen to you. Please take my earlier post to you with stride, people complaining may not tell the whole story so it scares off people like you.
I challenge you to either search the forums or create your own thread asking people about positive experiences with Leopard and you most likely will get a lot of good responses but as human nature the response that sticks is the negative and it's sad that you feel that way.
HLdan
we'll i'll take your advice on this.....except first i have to manage to scrap up the cost of leopard....your suggestion is to fully erase Tiger and i would guess that your implying in doing that, that i backup beforehand what i have on tiger? it puzzled me that others have said to divide the HD (partition?) and then install and then you say to install applications separately...i don't understand that, do you mean there are applications that come with leopard i'm supposed to add on to it or do you mean applications not already on the leopard discs that i had running along side tiger-like the all-in-one HP printer but in my case the printer i have is pc and hasn't it been said that with 10.5 all pc are out...so for me right now i'm looking at having to get a new printer first that's leopard/intel...I'm thinking outloud--i'm not intending no disrespect for your suggestions...because i appreciate your taking 5 minutes to consider my situation....see my biggest anxiety is that i will screw up somewhere--and in my freefall of frustration the "solution" has always been to reformat....i also want to find out if that Pogue has put out his version of the Leopard manual...i have made disaster mistakes working with other OS and i totally believe your suggestions on how great leopard is but i know here has been the line in th sand so to speak where now leopard runs this and that and no more rosetta (?) help and practically speaking for me that is a new all-in-one leopard compatible printer, then possibly the same with a photo application-it 's helpful that Adobe finally came out with Elements 6.....
You see for me and i have been just a reader for a long time before getting enough nerve to submit comment...interacting on macrumors is almost like having an Apple One-on-One card....my intention is to put no one down i have read enough to know this is a group of person who are professional, use Mac and all its accessories to make a living etc. I've been really puzzled about Leopard, we all know the main sites and mags are pro Mac and really will not straight off say Apple screwed up-for example...to persons like yourself and others who have a greater level of computer knowledge Leopard is a challenge for you guys....and that you can supplement the OSX with all that you need and on the lower end of the scale is someone like me who has square blocks in his hand facing round holes, that a SS disability income really defines what i can afford.....to have leopard in all its greatness now means (for me) getting their time HD for backups, getting a new all-in-one compatible to 10.5, possibly a new photo app...and a lot of you can quite literally really just go out and in one shopping trip get all these either for the employment you have or else your complete enjoyment which i have no anger towards or serious jealousy-envy yes, envy that so many have college and so forth.....i know i am in the company of a generally higher "class" of people than I am(--disabled and on SS disability income) so mainly my intent is to listen and try and learn...and so I thank you for your consideration and suggestions...except now i wonder if an intel 2.0 is now too slow to make good use of Leopard as you have described it...and like you many many have had no problems at all with leopard and when bumps came you each had the skill to deal with it...i can only hope i have listened and paid attention to persons who have a better understanding of the subject and don't screw it up when i try to carry out your suggestions- thanx
we'll i'll take your advice on this.....except first i have to manage to scrap up the cost of leopard....your suggestion is to fully erase Tiger and i would guess that your implying in doing that, that i backup beforehand what i have on tiger? it puzzled me that others have said to divide the HD (partition?) and then install and then you say to install applications separately...i don't understand that, do you mean there are applications that come with leopard i'm supposed to add on to it or do you mean applications not already on the leopard discs that i had running along side tiger-like the all-in-one HP printer but in my case the printer i have is pc and hasn't it been said that with 10.5 all pc are out...so for me right now i'm looking at having to get a new printer first that's leopard/intel...I'm thinking outloud--i'm not intending no disrespect for your suggestions...because i appreciate your taking 5 minutes to consider my situation....see my biggest anxiety is that i will screw up somewhere--and in my freefall of frustration the "solution" has always been to reformat....i also want to find out if that Pogue has put out his version of the Leopard manual...i have made disaster mistakes working with other OS and i totally believe your suggestions on how great leopard is but i know here has been the line in th sand so to speak where now leopard runs this and that and no more rosetta (?) help and practically speaking for me that is a new all-in-one leopard compatible printer, then possibly the same with a photo application-it 's helpful that Adobe finally came out with Elements 6.....
You see for me and i have been just a reader for a long time before getting enough nerve to submit comment...interacting on macrumors is almost like having an Apple One-on-One card....my intention is to put no one down i have read enough to know this is a group of person who are professional, use Mac and all its accessories to make a living etc. I've been really puzzled about Leopard, we all know the main sites and mags are pro Mac and really will not straight off say Apple screwed up-for example...to persons like yourself and others who have a greater level of computer knowledge Leopard is a challenge for you guys....and that you can supplement the OSX with all that you need and on the lower end of the scale is someone like me who has square blocks in his hand facing round holes, that a SS disability income really defines what i can afford.....to have leopard in all its greatness now means (for me) getting their time HD for backups, getting a new all-in-one compatible to 10.5, possibly a new photo app...and a lot of you can quite literally really just go out and in one shopping trip get all these either for the employment you have or else your complete enjoyment which i have no anger towards or serious jealousy-envy yes, envy that so many have college and so forth.....i know i am in the company of a generally higher "class" of people than I am(--disabled and on SS disability income) so mainly my intent is to listen and try and learn...and so I thank you for your consideration and suggestions...except now i wonder if an intel 2.0 is now too slow to make good use of Leopard as you have described it...and like you many many have had no problems at all with leopard and when bumps came you each had the skill to deal with it...i can only hope i have listened and paid attention to persons who have a better understanding of the subject and don't screw it up when i try to carry out your suggestions- thanx