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Stridder44 said:
Did anyone else not see steve in that picture at first, and when you did did it freak you out for a second?
Ha ha - sorry. I had a camera and an elevator... I succumbed to temptation.

These fakes (or are they? :D ) aren't nearly as fun as the video iPod thing was (chinese writing!!!), but I always look forward to the ritual fakery that comes before an Apple event :)

Of course, REAL info wouldn't kill me either. But that comes in the end.
 
SiliconAddict said:
I understand that the transition to x86 has had to be a massive drain on their resources but still. . .
Actually, the reason the Intel transition has been so smooth, is that they've been developing a working version of every update of Mac OS X along the way. So I'll object to your claim of a "massive drain on their resources".

However, I agree. I'm hoping for more than just some evolutionary updates.
 
Cantab said:
Can somebody please explain to me what this means?


He mean't inside, not instead.
The system sheilds possible attacks by creating a "mini partition" that it deletes after your session. It's the new rage for internet security.
 
The blue icon ...

Is a core image icon. There's a developer tool for creating screen savers with that icon (it's buried in the sample code of the developer tools).
 
As far as I am concerned there are only 3 problems with these images.

1.) The spotlight darkness expanding too far
2.) The spotlight darkness not under the right of the search menu
3.) Mis-alingment in the dock.

The first is a simple error of the image conversion tool, I looked at the larger image and in it the border of the darkness IS in the right place. Its just a minor antialias bug in the software.

The second, I inquired to my friend and he said that in a year in a half of building an operating system 95% of their time goes into code. Adding deleting, reformatting, moving, improving, debugging, optimization and intel - ppc conversion. This is takes a large amount of time JUST to write the underlying code for the features in those images.

The images were taken on wednesday, in a build that was having some serious problems with quartz extreme and the shadow profile under every window. These bugs are hard to fix, and are bound to occur, in an unstable pre-beta release of an operating system. I will not edit the picture so that the afore-mentioned disappears, and in fact, the lack of darkness in that area makes it more genuine, because I have not edited it out.

The alignment of the icons in the dock, is actually correct in that order and at that side.

The other thing was the mis-alingment of the spotlight, that was a parsing error, apparently.



The msn and yahoo ingtergration is partial, just like every other mac msn app. It will probably be incomplete too, so that msn and yahoo can't go after them. It seems understandable, there are more apps that can connect to the msn network apart from the official versions.

Multi line tabs are avaible only if desired. Squashed tabs look equally ugly.

Apple needs to compete with quicktime, not having fullscreen is a big flaw, especially as the real player lets you go full screen and handle quicktime files.

Classic in PPC leopard? Seems reasonable, no?
A UK flag? Testing localization!
Azureus icons? My dev friend is a vivid torrent user, he wanted to see if his favourite app still worked well. So he downloaded torrents of some of the first things that came to his mind, i.e. mac os torrents, and whatever else is there.


I can't say if these are real or not, I received them from someone else, but he is my friend and I will trust what he says. And he is a apple dev, i know the story may seem fake, but what do you know?
 
maxrobertson said:
They're there, you just have to refresh/wait a few times.

No, they don't seem to be. I've been trying to get them for a couple of days now. Nothing. So, if someone has them, can you repost them from somewhere that won't immediately respond to excessive bandwidth?
 
These images were posted on Ars, by a user with the same handle. Fake as fake can be.

How do I know they're fake? 'Cos I'm Steve Jobs!

Seriously though, why do people do this? It's so blatantly obvious that these shoddy images are fraudulent. So why come up with some cock and bull story about your friend who's a developer at Apple "leaking" these hopeless mock-ups to you?

A desperate cry for attention?
A desire to be loved?
Boredom?

The mind boggles. If you're going to fake some images, at least try and do it properly.
 
I don't get it...

Ok, Apple announced that Leopard (10.5) was going to be given to WWDC attendees months ago. Why are people "leaking" images of something we know is coming and will be in people's hands in less than two days? If the leaked stuff turns out to be fake, the people that leaked it will be discredited and look like complete idiots (which they obviously are anyway).

I just don't understand the need for this stuff. It's not like we don't know when 10.5 is previewing. It's not like, say, the new Intel desktop or Xserve that may show up at WWDC. That, I could see as being of interest. This BS with Leopard seems a bit unnecessary, IMHO. Why rumor-monger a product that everyone already knows about to a certain degree? Rumor-mongering is better spent on the cool stuff we have no idea about! :-D
 
I sure hope these are fake, I'd be really annoyed if the Finder changed that little (and that was what the window title bar and stuff looked like)
 
well

but isn't that Jason O'Grady guy the one who got ipod nano and some other predictions deadon correct?

at least he has some history of being right so I am going to give him a benefit of doubt for now.

image could be fake but that does not mean the whole article is fake.
 
dagger01 said:
Ok, Apple announced that Leopard (10.5) was going to be given to WWDC attendees months ago. Why are people "leaking" images of something we know is coming and will be in people's hands in less than two days? If the leaked stuff turns out to be fake, the people that leaked it will be discredited and look like complete idiots (which they obviously are anyway).

I just don't understand the need for this stuff. It's not like we don't know when 10.5 is previewing. It's not like, say, the new Intel desktop or Xserve that may show up at WWDC. That, I could see as being of interest. This BS with Leopard seems a bit unnecessary, IMHO. Why rumor-monger a product that everyone already knows about to a certain degree? Rumor-mongering is better spent on the cool stuff we have no idea about! :-D

You have missed the point. We all know that leopard is going to be previewed. This images arn't telling you that, they are supposed to let you in on the big apple secret. And if there is a secret, people like to know the detials, that is what is happening, the enactment of human nature. If you consider yourself too good for this why 1.) even read it 2.) form an opinion on it and 3.) post that opinion.

Also that point that you make that it might be interesting that xserve is coming to us with intel. Big shock, but we all knew that anyway.
 
one more thing about the fakeness...why would apple make it so that the spotlightmenu searched within whatever application was to the front whenever they have already integrated a search into every application?!? spotlight like sys prefs on the desktop?! come on! that finder window is like uno with one too many buttons pressed down! i agree with all of u...fake!

oh and thomasburns:
i think dagger was trying to say that no one knows for shure when the intel powermac or the xserve are coming out, and it would therefore be suprising to see them appear at wwdc. everyone knows they are going to have intel processors and im pretty sure that dagger knows that too. the "big shock" would be seeing it at wwdc. as for your screenies. they look like shots that didnt make the cut for the leopard screenshot contest. very roughly photoshoped and some of the wackiest features i have ever seen. my 2 cents.
 
cwedl said:
When a Newbie comes onto the site just before WWDC, its obvious that its fake!
That is very true. It does always happen on every site.

Where abouts in Ascot are you?? I was doing some networking there yesterday.
 
theappleguy said:
I really hope Apple doesn't get rid of the curved corners on windows like they have with the iLife applications.
I know. I slipped while using iTunes the other day, and hurt myself pretty bad on one of those sharp corners.:D
 
Killyp said:
They're faked.

Look:

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Notice how the icons in the middle are slightly higher than the icons on either side of the picture. They have been placed on there manually IMO. Also look at the spacing between iMovie and Garage Band. There's a TINY gap, wheras the spacing between that blue dot thing and iMovie is very large. That must be fake as I've never seen an icon that's that badly designed.


not to rain on your parade... but i just put my garage band icon next to my imovie icon and it does infact create a very small gap between the two icons because of the way the imovie and garage band icons are tilted. i cant speak for the others pictures you posted but i dont believe that they manually placed the icon.. also my microsoft word icon sits higher than all my other icons on my dock, its probably the same case with that circle icon
 
SiliconAddict said:
I seriously hope there is more then just this and what is being reported by PowerPage. If there isn't Microsoft just got a FRACKING HUGE break. The gap between X and Windows will have narrowed to the point that all that is left is MS to clean up their code over a 1 year period with SP1 and 2.
I'm going to be royally pissed if Apple spent all this time with only minor tweaks to everything. I understand that the transition to x86 has had to be a massive drain on their resources but still. . . if true it looks like another speedbump along the road of OS X.
I wouldn't be so hasty to jump to conclusions. Microsoft is still far behind Apple, because nearly every new feature of Vista is a bad copy of Apple. Namely, Widgets, Expose, the command-tab thingy, all of these are implemented into Windows, but although they are cool-looking, they still do not seem to offer the ease of use that they intend.

For example, have you seen the feature (I don't remember the name) where all open windows are tiled one behind the other and the user scrolls to see them one by one? That is a bad copy of expose, that doesn't solve the problem of many open windows, because you still can't see them all, since they are one behind the other! Same goes with the widgets on Vista.

And let's not forget the crappy codebase that requires very high system requirements to handle all those stuff. OS X works on G3's, and Leopard will, too! Windows do not even get close to the performance os OS X on slower machines.

Also, I would like to add that Although the system may seem to be similar overall, it's the under-the-hood work that will ultimately judge the "winner". Framework availabilities, customization of the OS, security enhancements, speed, developper tools (which Leopard has greatly upgraded), simplicity (no one wants to do mathematical calculations when it comes to the point where one simply wants a simple and fast way to do the job one needs).

Until Leopard and Vista come out, I wouldn't say that we have enough information to say that the gap between the two OS'es has been narrowed. There were many people that were saying the same things whith 10.3 and Windows XP. But 10.3 still proved to be much more simple and elegant than people anticipated.
 
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