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Leopard In Action: A Movie?

The obligatory real/fake poll:

  • Real

    Votes: 195 46.7%

  • Fake

    Votes: 223 53.3%
  • Total voters
    418
know-it-all5 said:
I dont know, as weird as that is it kinda makes sense. your getting it out of your computer. remember, putting something in the trash dont kill it. it just stops the availability of it being used. same with dragging a disc down there. if its ejected it cant be used,it doesnt destroy the disc though. another step needs to be put in place to destroy the disc, just like a folder in the trash. a disc can be cracked in half, and the trash can be deleted/securely deleted.:p
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Yes, I understand how it works, but lets say that I am working on a paper for school. When I am done for the day, I don't put everything I have just worked on (my notebook) into the "Trash". Apple should have come up with a more user intuitive method for disk ejection. If I want ot throw something away I put it in the trash. I can recover until I take the trash out to the curb, but I don't want to be throwing things away that I know I want to keep. It is not intuitive for the new Mac user. This was especially true when the Mac first came out and the GUI was new to everyone. I am just surprised that they have left it that way for 22 years. Throwing things away that you want to keep was not intuitive then and it still isn't today.

I also know that you can eject the disk other ways. It just shouldn't be done using the trash can.

jbcaro
 
macaddict06 said:
Hahaha, excellent.
Tangental to the story at hand, but:
Why doe the touche ad say that you need to purchase Parallels Software? I understand the need to buy Windows (well, not really, I think an OS that old should be freeware, expecially if it's THAT craptastic), but can't you just use BootCamp?:confused:

Cheers,
Macaddict06
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Possibly because Apple doesn't officially support Boot Camp. It's in Beta right now.

jbcaro
 
jbcaro said:
Yes, I understand how it works, but lets say that I am working on a paper for school. When I am done for the day, I don't put everything I have just worked on (my notebook) into the "Trash". Apple should have come up with a more user intuitive method for disk ejection. If I want ot throw something away I put it in the trash. I can recover until I take the trash out to the curb, but I don't want to be throwing things away that I know I want to keep. It is not intuitive for the new Mac user. This was especially true when the Mac first came out and the GUI was new to everyone. I am just surprised that they have left it that way for 22 years. Throwing things away that you want to keep was not intuitive then and it still isn't today.

I also know that you can eject the disk other ways. It just shouldn't be done using the trash can.

jbcaro
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Dude, when you are dragging a volume, the trash changes to an eject symbol, not a trash. So yeah, problem solved. :D
 
macaddict06 said:
Hahaha, excellent.
Tangental to the story at hand, but:
Why doe the touche ad say that you need to purchase Parallels Software? I understand the need to buy Windows (well, not really, I think an OS that old should be freeware, expecially if it's THAT craptastic), but can't you just use BootCamp?:confused:

Cheers,
Macaddict06
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I think its because bootcamp is only able to dual-boot where as the parallels software can run windows at the same time as os x so you can use windows and mac software at the same time.
 
jbcaro said:
Like throwing a disk with all of your hard work on it into the trash can to eject the disk. I mean what kind of moron would... oh, that's right... :rolleyes:

jbcaro
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Well actually, in 10.4 at least, you don't throw it in the trash. If you select a disc to eject the trash can turns to the eject symbol. I think anyway. I'm at work right now so I can't check.

[edit] bobber205 beat me to it.
 
jholzner said:
Well actually, in 10.4 at least, you don't throw it in the trash. If you select a disc to eject the trash can turns to the eject symbol. I think anyway. I'm at work right now so I can't check.

[edit] bobber205 beat me to it.
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yep thats what happens...

being objective about this, i have to say it doesnt feel like its the correct place for the eject option to be... like the guy says, you are dragging potentially important data over the area that was the trashcan.. but i cant honestly say i know a better way of doing it. maybe when you drag a volume, the eject icon could magically appear either in the dock (away from the trashcan) or floating above the desktop...
 
iGary said:
I can't believe so many people think this is fake. :confused:
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I can't believe there are so many gulliable people out there?

The Finder will be overhauled in 10.5 - if the rumours are correct - the Finder in the video appeared the same, apart from tabbed browsing.

If this was a real video why not show more new functionality, plus functionality that would be difficult to fake.
 
I dunno though. It would take a person a long time to make a video like this if it were fake, and why would they go to ALL that trouble if it was a fake? I mean, I guess you could say the same for photoshopped pics, but those are a lot easier to create. As iGary said, there have been a lot of similarities in the mockups lately. I guess we'll just have to wait until August to see.
 
A short video because maybe it was taken WITH A PHONE?!

Seems real to me. That would be a TON of work to do the tabbed browsing just to make a mock video?
 
A lot of trouble? Someone with even moderate xCode skills could knock up something like this in less than an hour. This is barely any harder than a photoshop, and to a programmer type much, much easier.

There's only 1 bit of programming being done here - the tabs. They wouldn't even need to go to the trouble of programming file listing behaviour into their fake app - they could just use a screenshot of the folders shown in icon view. The only programming required would be right click menu, the creation of the tabs, and the highlighting of the locations on the sidebar. There is NOTHING in this video that couldn't be faked with ease.

Fake fake fakety fake.
 
CavemanUK said:
yep thats what happens...

being objective about this, i have to say it doesnt feel like its the correct place for the eject option to be... like the guy says, you are dragging potentially important data over the area that was the trashcan.. but i cant honestly say i know a better way of doing it. maybe when you drag a volume, the eject icon could magically appear either in the dock (away from the trashcan) or floating above the desktop...
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Yes, the icon does change to the eject icon when the disk is placed over it. But if you are new to a Mac (Apple is always trying to get PC'ers to switch) you may not realize that you have to put it over the trash to get the eject message. Anyway, most of my complaints were aimed at its history and why it is still done that way. I do like the idea of a seperate dock item that appears when a mounted volume is there.

Looked up trash and trashcan in thesaurus and nowhere does it also mean eject. Means a lot of things and has a lot of synonyms but none of them give the impression that all of your data will be there when you try to access it at another time.

Wikipedia says the trashcan is a place for deleted files.

jbcaro
 
know-it-all5 said:
i found this article while browsing through some leopard news.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/50236.html

anyhow... i think this really shows the importance of leapord. This is an oppurtunity for apple to really show whhat its capable of.


this also leads me too believe that the video is probably a fake, because im betting finder will be a little bit more advanced. there needs to be some pretty awesome features in leopard to catch windows users eyes. mac needs to really take advantage.
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What's with this comment:
...but if what I'm reading is right, it too has run into problems and won't show up until late 2007...
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Late 2007? And Windows has already missed being able to ship in 2006? Don't we have another half of 2006 ahead of us? And, what is he reading about Leopard that's telling him they've run into problems? I try to keep up on these things and I haven't heard any hints that this might be the case. And even if they were delayed, why would that delay end up being a full year?

No, without better references to his sources, I'm not buying what this guy is selling.

Oh, and since when is Leopard based on Vista?
 
bobber205 said:
Dude, when you are dragging a volume, the trash changes to an eject symbol, not a trash. So yeah, problem solved. :D
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Or just... choose Eject :D Dragging to the Dock has never been the only method.
 
jbcaro said:
Yes, the icon does change to the eject icon when the disk is placed over it. But if you are new to a Mac (Apple is always trying to get PC'ers to switch) you may not realize that you have to put it over the trash to get the eject message.
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So, I happen to agree that dragging a disk to trash to eject it is a bad metaphore. However, it seems like you're being purposely obtuse here. At least on 10.4.6 (what I have loaded), the trash bin changes to an eject icon when you start dragging, not when "the disk is placed over it". So, if the user makes it as far as clicking & dragging the volume somewhere, they have a chance of noticing the new eject icon.

I'm not saying it's perfect. But, it seems like you're trying to be purposely obtuse about the issue (Windows fanboy?).

jbcaro said:
Anyway, most of my complaints were aimed at its history and why it is still done that way.
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Fine, then use the past tense, or comment on how the system actually works with today's version.

jbcaro said:
Looked up trash and trashcan in thesaurus and nowhere does it also mean eject.
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Hmmm...I just looked up trash and trash can in the thesaurus (thesaurus.reference.com - don't have my Mac next to me right now) and nowhere is it also a synonym for delete (what the name of the key that does the same thing is) or remove (what some other operating systems call purging a file from disk). Despite this, it is pretty obvious to most people (and obvious to even more with a short explanation) that dragging a file to the trash should delete it. Metaphores != synonyms.

...feeding the OT trolls...
-CrazyWingman
 
enderle is an idiot

Snowy_River said:
What's with this comment:


Late 2007? And Windows has already missed being able to ship in 2006? Don't we have another half of 2006 ahead of us? And, what is he reading about Leopard that's telling him they've run into problems? I try to keep up on these things and I haven't heard any hints that this might be the case. And even if they were delayed, why would that delay end up being a full year?

No, without better references to his sources, I'm not buying what this guy is selling.

Oh, and since when is Leopard based on Vista?
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http://enderle.iwethey.org/
 
Trash or eject button, your data or removal, come on.
Are we really wasting space on the forums with this? If you think its dumb to use the trash can, go file>>eject. And don't say anything about switchers, more than likey they go file>>eject first, since they are more than likely not to use the trash, out of Windows habit.
In any case, I'm sorry, but from an outsider's view to this argument, I don't see it getting us anywhere. Whether we conclude that it is, infact, destroying your hard work, or perhaps decide that it is sensible, we are still arguing about something miniscule and ultimately, unimportant.
In the meantime, can we worry about what we are learning about Leopard, or what we may expect, as this thread's title should imply?

Cheers,
Macaddict06
 
Snowy_River said:
What's with this comment:


Late 2007? And Windows has already missed being able to ship in 2006? Don't we have another half of 2006 ahead of us? And, what is he reading about Leopard that's telling him they've run into problems? I try to keep up on these things and I haven't heard any hints that this might be the case. And even if they were delayed, why would that delay end up being a full year?

No, without better references to his sources, I'm not buying what this guy is selling.

Oh, and since when is Leopard based on Vista?
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this is an older article. whne it was written there was a few rumors that leopard could be delayed. recent rumor have suggested the opposite, saying that leopard could be released even prior to macworld 07.

I wouldnt worry if i were you.
 
know-it-all5 said:
I dont know, as weird as that is it kinda makes sense.
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And "Start ==> Shutdown" also "kinda makes sense". I mean, I start the process of shutting down the computer.
 
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