Leopard Mac OS X 10.5 Screenshots and Features

[dashiel]

resolution independence is going to be a god send to web developers, no more crappy and inaccurate pixel/em sizes. now we'll be able to specify inches and picas hoorah!

and vista will be supporting resolution independence through its WPF foundation layer. it won't be overnight — hell like CSS 2.1 it'll take years before it goes mainstream, but the web is going to be a much better place.

as for JPEGs at 72 dpi vs resolution independence – beyond the scaling algorithms it's important to look at the increase in resolutions of monitors before going to crazy, 1920x1200 is about the maximum and average consumer is going to have, it's taken a few years from 1024x768 to get there though, three or four at least. i suspect we'll be at a max ratio of 2:1 or maybe 3:1 for quite some time. i don't think we're going to see a drastic need for hi-res images on the web or a plethora of "blurry" images for quite some time.

 

[psionic001]

Even people that know the difference between vector and bitmapped graphics have the misconception that screen resolution indepenence depends on vector images. I don't think they are aware of where the GPU technology has gone in the last few years.

It won't be long and we will be rendering all graphic displays lke 3D game engines with virtual worlds and holographic displays.

Someone's been watching too much CSI. 🙄

 

[uaaerospace]

It seems that many of those negative votes may be coming from misconceptions about the resolution independent UI. Be patient. If the resolution independent UI had no benefit, Apple wouldn't spend time, effort, and money adding it to the OS.

Although I don't fully understand it, I'm going to hold judgement until Leopard ships. Then I'll make my decision.

 

[Dokter_Mac]

Yeah, sorry. Those too.🙂

Thanks 🙂 It would be sad if only Intel-chips could enjoy this.
With +- 80% PPC-users it would be a bad move from Apple to.

 

[Tayler]

Any possiblity

Yesterday I ordered my first MAC: MBP.

So im asking myself, if there will be maybe a "cheap" update solution to Leopard.
Some1?

 

[Sophia]

I wonder if users who have both PPC and Intel Macs will have to buy seperate copies of Leopard rather than just multiple license packs...

 

[treblah]

So im asking myself, if there will be maybe a "cheap" update solution to Leopard.
Some1?

Congrats on your first Mac.

Unless you are a student you will not be getting a discount on Leopard. Sorry.

I wonder if users who have both PPC and Intel Macs will have to buy seperate copies of Leopard rather than just multiple license packs...

Well, the current Leopard Alpha/Betas work on PPC and Intel so, in theory as of today, a family pack would be all you need for multi-architecture environments.

 

[demallien]

No gurantees, but...

Yesterday I ordered my first MAC: MBP.

So im asking myself, if there will be maybe a "cheap" update solution to Leopard.
Some1?

When I bought my last Mac laptop (an iBook G3), I bought it just before Panther came out (about 2 months before). Apple sent me Panther in the mail for free, without me even asking. Mind you, that was in Australia, and I don't know if the policy has changed.

 

[NicP]

resolution independence is going to be a god send to web developers, no more crappy and inaccurate pixel/em sizes. now we'll be able to specify inches and picas hoorah!

and vista will be supporting resolution independence through its WPF foundation layer. it won't be overnight — hell like CSS 2.1 it'll take years before it goes mainstream, but the web is going to be a much better place.

as for JPEGs at 72 dpi vs resolution independence – beyond the scaling algorithms it's important to look at the increase in resolutions of monitors before going to crazy, 1920x1200 is about the maximum and average consumer is going to have, it's taken a few years from 1024x768 to get there though, three or four at least. i suspect we'll be at a max ratio of 2:1 or maybe 3:1 for quite some time. i don't think we're going to see a drastic need for hi-res images on the web or a plethora of "blurry" images for quite some time.

Specifying sizes in mm and inches would have to be the worst way to do web design. I have good eyesight so i want my webpages to be small, my parents have worse eyesight so they like to scale everything larger, their solution at the moment is to decrease the screen resolution, this is very crude on an lcd. When resolution independence becomes standard they will be able to make everything larger while still maintaining the default resolution of their monitor, but if everyone designs webpages in mm or inches then the webpages wont become bigger, completely defeating the purpose.

 

[Catfish_Man]

He's talking about the OpenGL update that allows one processor to deal with OpenGL instructions whilst the other does, um, other stuff. It supposedly gives OpenGL performance as much as a 2x boost in speed.

I'm guessing it only works with Mac with multiple processing cores.

It's rather pointless without multiple processors/cores, so I'd say that's a safe assumption.

 

[gkhaldi]

Finder:

- Have an address bar so I can copy and paste file locations. Really useful to a developer, especially with working between the Finder and Terminal.

- Have a way of seeing how much disk space directories and their children take up, both with number sizes and graphically.

- Stop freaking putting every downloaded file in the bottom right of my Desktop, on top of the last downloaded file. Put the icon anywhere else on the free half of my Desktop.

- If I empty the trash, I expect to see that volume's space taken or available value update right away for its icon, on the Desktop.

- Tabbed Finder windows?

I'm with you all the way on this.

On the download, right-click yr desktop and click keep arranged by ...whatever you like... to prevent from the downloads stacking up eachother

 

[JFreak]

I never really understood resolution independence. Can someone explain it in layman's terms?

Visible objects stay the same size (in cm/inches) even though the display hardware would be better-than-in-the-90's -- this shouldn't be very hard to understand. Until now, object size has been measured in pixels, but Apple wants to give people the luxury of measuring objects in cm/inches just the same way we do in real life. If you buy a HD display, the apple in the apple menu stays the same size, it only looks sharper.

And the same goes to all UI objects, naturally.

 

[Chundles]

I wonder if users who have both PPC and Intel Macs will have to buy seperate copies of Leopard rather than just multiple license packs...

You'd just need a family pack if you have a mix of PPC and Intel Macs. Unlike the boxed copies of 10.4, OSX 10.5 will be Universal. Currently 10.4 uses different builds for PPC and Intel, once Leopard comes around we'll all be using the same version of the OS.

 

[decksnap]

Do me a favor. If you don't already have it turned on, turn on Dock magnification and move your mouse pointer slowly across the icons. See how they scale smoothly, and yet don't look like crap? Those icons are 256x256 bitmaps. Its all about doing things properly.

But see, these images are never being scaled up beyond their original size- they are being scaled DOWN. That is the difference. We are talking about scaling things UP. Have you ever had an old OS 9 icon in your dock? When you magnify it, it looks like crap.

Understand that web designers tend to manage graphics pixel by pixel. Once you start stretching pixels in images across pixels on the screen, everything goes to crap. All you've got to do to see this is turn on your zoom feature.

 

[Shadow]

Finder:

- Have an address bar so I can copy and paste file locations. Really useful to a developer, especially with working between the Finder and Terminal.

- Have a way of seeing how much disk space directories and their children take up, both with number sizes and graphically.

- Stop freaking putting every downloaded file in the bottom right of my Desktop, on top of the last downloaded file. Put the icon anywhere else on the free half of my Desktop.

- If I empty the trash, I expect to see that volume's space taken or available value update right away for its icon, on the Desktop.

- Tabbed Finder windows?

1. Meh
2. I want that one!
3. I like stuff downloading onto the desktop
4. Oh god yes! Its so annoying now.
Also, I want FULL FTP support.

 

[iminimac]

oh dear i hope my dad doesnt see those new parental controls, especially the time limiter :S

 

[Platform]

1. Meh
2. I want that one!
3. I like stuff downloading onto the desktop
4. Oh god yes! Its so annoying now.
Also, I want FULL FTP support.

Don't say no to any option....simply make it an option in system prefs..😉

 

[jholzner]

Yesterday I ordered my first MAC: MBP.

So im asking myself, if there will be maybe a "cheap" update solution to Leopard.
Some1?

Since Leopard won't be out until spring you will have to pay the full price. Apple is pretty stingy about giving discounts to their OS upgrades. If you had purchased you MBP a week before Leopards release you might have receive it for free.

 

[Maxiseller]

Since Leopard won't be out until spring you will have to pay the full price. Apple is pretty stingy about giving discounts to their OS upgrades. If you had purchased you MBP a week before Leopards release you might have receive it for free.

Yeh, I think last time it was something like 28 days...

Either way, it hasn't got anything to do with stingy; let us say for the sake of argument that I purchased a Dell computer today, and vista is released on 1st February. Surely you're not expecting Dell to ship you Vista free? No Way - it's not good business sense.

Apple Hardware and Software probably have different division headings so you can't argue that the above analysis is not viable.

 

[sunfast]

We seem to be learning more and more about what Leopard offers as time goes by which is excellent news.

I, personally, am excited about Resolution Independace. That'll be sweet.

 

[dr_lha]

But see, these images are never being scaled up beyond their original size- they are being scaled DOWN. That is the difference. We are talking about scaling things UP. Have you ever had an old OS 9 icon in your dock? When you magnify it, it looks like crap.

Understand that web designers tend to manage graphics pixel by pixel. Once you start stretching pixels in images across pixels on the screen, everything goes to crap. All you've got to do to see this is turn on your zoom feature.

The point is that scaling up so something is visible is better than having it tiny because the pixels are so small. Yes, low res images will appear "blocky" much like when you bang into a wall in an FPS and see the texture close up, hopefully this will lead to web designers using higher resolution images by default as bandwidth/processing power goes up, much like FPS designers use higher resolution textures now in their games.

 

[TumbleDryer]

Yeh, I think last time it was something like 28 days...

Either way, it hasn't got anything to do with stingy; let us say for the sake of argument that I purchased a Dell computer today, and vista is released on 1st February. Surely you're not expecting Dell to ship you Vista free? No Way - it's not good business sense.

Apple Hardware and Software probably have different division headings so you can't argue that the above analysis is not viable.

For them to hand out free copies of Leopard because someone bought Tiger a week before Leopard was launched. Is not much of a big deal for them as the only money they will lose out on is the cost of the packaging, postage and the physical disks. About £5? To keep you sweet so you purchase further products and remain loyal £5 is nothing. Its probably less than that! 🙂 To duplicate another copy of Leopard to replace the one given away will be miniscule.

 

[Chef Medeski]

Inspector window? (Command-Option-I)

Savior. YOU ARE MY SAVIOR. Thats the biggest thing that pissed me off in Finder. That and lack of Cut shortcut.

 

[MarkCollette]

And what about all the really simple things. Like if I select a bunch of files (eg: 8 photos), I want to be able to see the size (in Bytes) of the 8 photos I selected. Right now, Finder tells me that I have selected 8 files, but also tells me the total HD space remaining rather than the size of the 8 files.

Ahh yes, another pet peave. It would be cool if that tied in with my directory size thing too, so you could select both files and directories, and see the total size.

My downloads take the next available free speace on my desktop.

Pretty sure this is in Leopard. Didn't we see a pic somewhere?

Argh, I hate you! 😀 Maybe it's an issue of using Firefox instead of Safari? Like maybe some API for file creation will tell the Finder properly, and it lays it out right, and some other API will notify it in a different way? Like if I make a file with TextEdit, it shows up in a free spot on the Desktop.

Oh, they will have tabbed Finder windows? Sweet! I haven't been keeping up with all the OS X 10.5 threads..

 

[AppliedVisual]

We seem to be learning more and more about what Leopard offers as time goes by which is excellent news.

I, personally, am excited about Resolution Independace. That'll be sweet.

I too am excited over this. We do a lot of kiosk systems and occasionally cater interactive systems to the diabled and visually imapired. It's hard to supply decent LCD monitors for this application with their fixed resolutions and the limitations of OSX, Windows and Linux in terms of element sizes within the OS. Hopefully this will bring us one more tool we can use in this regard -- 30" displays running at full resolution with the OS and video card doing the scaling to display an alternative resolution rather than the monitor just stretching it into blurry oblivion. Although the current 30" monitors displaying 1280x800 work great in this regard as it is. but a more elegant solution is highly welcome and because 1280x800 via doubled H and V resolution isn't always the answer.